The generic Hearts thread

[Barney McGrew]

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I'm getting sick of this "self interest" thing being chucked in our (and other clubs') faces.

If expanding the premiership to 14 teams or whatever doesn't suit us, for whatever reasons, we are right to vote against it.

Hearts merit relagation and can go an f*** themselves.

The only teams making noise are the ones who’re either getting relegated or have missed the chance to get promoted through the playoffs - yet they accuse everyone else of self interest.

[jacomo]

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I'm getting sick of this "self interest" thing being chucked in our (and other clubs') faces.

If expanding the premiership to 14 teams or whatever doesn't suit us, for whatever reasons, we are right to vote against it.

Hearts merit relagation and can go an f*** themselves.

The task force didn’t even present a clear proposal to be voted on!

What other outcome were they expecting?

“Hi guys, after three weeks we’ve failed to agree on a reconstruction proposal, but please vote in favour of reconstruction anyhow and we will email you the reasons why it’s a good idea after the meeting.”

Total amateur hour from Budge and co.

[Rumble de Thump]

"After the talks collapsed, Budge emailed the 42 clubs saying she had no hard feelings. And that was very magnanimous of her."

Didn't she release a statement calling them "sanctimoneous", "disrespectful", "outrageous", "shameful" etc?

[Barney McGrew]

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"After the talks collapsed, Budge emailed the 42 clubs saying she had no hard feelings. And that was very magnanimous of her."

Didn't she release a statement calling them "sanctimoneous", "disrespectful", "outrageous", "shameful" etc?

She’s got more faces than a Las Vegas poker table

[Crazyhorse]

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The point of the original SPL was the top league breaking away, taking power and money with them.

It's now a totally different model.

Well P it’s clearly the same company and has a continuous history of operating since 1997. But I’m not sure why you are focusing on this. The key point is that Sevco suffered no punishment for their cheating. They should have been at a minimum stripped of all trophies won as a result of their illegal financial doping (my view is the all titles were won by a different now dead club) but I would have accepted that. The result of pretending they didn’t cheat is that it emboldened what was already a hate filled, arrogant and entitled monster. This weakness of will has and will continue to poison football in Scotland.

[mcohibs]

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The task force didn’t even present a clear proposal to be voted on!

What other outcome were they expecting?

“Hi guys, after three weeks we’ve failed to agree on a reconstruction proposal, but please vote in favour of reconstruction anyhow and we will email you the reasons why it’s a good idea after the meeting.”

Total amateur hour from Budge and co.

This. The fact that a large chunk of the hearts support still back budge after her disastrous decision making this season is actually terrifying

[greenginger]

Michael Stewart reckons it would have been better to increase the top league for 2 or 3 seasons and then decide if it works.

Fails to mention, consider, or even care about the Sky TV contract or does he reckon Budge will sweet talk them into paying the same for any botched league set-up dreamt up at the last minute.

[Ozyhibby]

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Michael Stewart reckons it would have been better to increase the top league for 2 or 3 seasons and then decide if it works.

Fails to mention, consider, or even care about the Sky TV contract or does he reckon Budge will sweet talk them into paying the same for any botched league set-up dreamt up at the last minute.

Why on earth would Hibs, Aberdeen, Motherwell or Killie vote to reduce our income for 3 years? Stewart never even acknowledges that it would cost clubs money.


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[jacomo]

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Well P it’s clearly the same company and has a continuous history of operating since 1997. But I’m not sure why you are focusing on this. The key point is that Sevco suffered no punishment for their cheating. They should have been at a minimum stripped of all trophies won as a result of their illegal financial doping (my view is the all titles were won by a different now dead club) but I would have accepted that. The result of pretending they didn’t cheat is that it emboldened what was already a hate filled, arrogant and entitled monster. This weakness of will has and will continue to poison football in Scotland.

I think the lesson from the Sevco debacle is that allowing them a fast track straight back into the League set up was a mistake.

The application from the newco should have been treated the same as any other brand new football club. It might have stopped their endless and erroneous bleating about being ‘punished’.

[Waxy]

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Michael Stewart reckons it would have been better to increase the top league for 2 or 3 seasons and then decide if it works.

Fails to mention, consider, or even care about the Sky TV contract or does he reckon Budge will sweet talk them into paying the same for any botched league set-up dreamt up at the last minute.

Then hearts would have been the first to decide it doesn’t work.

[jacomo]

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Michael Stewart reckons it would have been better to increase the top league for 2 or 3 seasons and then decide if it works.

Fails to mention, consider, or even care about the Sky TV contract or does he reckon Budge will sweet talk them into paying the same for any botched league set-up dreamt up at the last minute.

Michael Stewart glosses over this, really - he wanted to get to his main point, which is having a pop at Levein.

[The 90+2]

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This. The fact that a large chunk of the hearts support still back budge after her disastrous decision making this season is actually terrifying

They have no alternative. At this stage they need her money to keep them going and still hide behind this amazing business woman jacket who has seemingly done such a wonderful job off the pitch (losing money each year if not topped up by Benny).

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

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Why on earth would Hibs, Aberdeen, Motherwell or Killie vote to reduce our income for 3 years? Stewart never even acknowledges that it would cost clubs money.


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Yeah, lets all loose money to bail out Hearts who've p!ssed theirs against a *****ty new stand whilst taken snide digs at their rivals. Where do we sign?

[jeffers]

As others have posted after a few weeks the working party still hadn’t come up with any proposals for league reconstruction but the clubs were supposed to vote on it anyway. WTF have they been doing, I would have thought they would at least have contacted Sky to gauge their thoughts on any reconstruction given the clubs will be even more reliant than ever on the money for the tv deal. I appreciate times are unusual and it’s not all down to Budge, but it’s typical of the (mis)management we’ve seen in her time at Hearts.

Let us not kid anyone regarding this, if they had been 2nd bottom we wouldn’t have heard a peep about reconstruction from them, apart from Michael Stewart on Saturday the rest of the Sportsound team acknowledged it.

Is it unfair, aye maybe a bit, but they’ve been the worst team in the league for arguably over a year so suck it up Jambos.

[Future17]

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Why on earth would Hibs, Aberdeen, Motherwell or Killie vote to reduce our income for 3 years? Stewart never even acknowledges that it would cost clubs money.


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This is the part I don't understand. The relegated clubs are essentially saying all the other clubs should have taken an unquantified financial hit, over an unknown period, to help them out.

I do think it's unfair they were relegated in the manner they were, but there was never a realistic alternative.

[CapitalGreen]

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I'm getting sick of this "self interest" thing being chucked in our (and other clubs') faces.

If expanding the premiership to 14 teams or whatever doesn't suit us, for whatever reasons, we are right to vote against it.

Hearts merit relegation and can go an f*** themselves.

Ann Budge says she wasn’t driven purely by self-interest. If that was the case, why did she not continue pursuing reconstruction for the lower leagues after it was made clear there would be no changes to the Premiership? That she was no more longer bothered about helping the smaller clubs reeks of self-interest. Once there was nothing in it for her she left them high and dry.

As has been mentioned, she could have pushed for a 12-12-10-10 system which would have had no financial impact on the Premiership and would have satisfied all other aggrieved teams with the exception of ICT.

[we are hibs]

Ann Budge " we werent driven by self interest but others were"



Also Ann Budge "lets change the leagues for a year to save Hearts!!!"



Silly old boot.

[JammyDoidger]

On the hearts subject, has anyone heard the bye bye jam tarts song floating around social media? It's superb.
ohh ho ho, cheerio, championship here we go, bye bye jam tarts!

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

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Yeah, lets all loose money to bail out Hearts who've p!ssed theirs against a *****ty new stand whilst taken snide digs at their rivals. Where do we sign?

Exactly. Appoint a new manager and have a bizarre and unnecessary dig at Hibs in your welcoming statement then expect clubs such as Hibs to bend over and lose money to dig you out a hole? **** off

[Kavinho]

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This is the part I don't understand. The relegated clubs are essentially saying all the other clubs should have taken an unquantified financial hit, over an unknown period, to help them out.

I do think it's unfair they were relegated in the manner they were, but there was never a realistic alternative.

It can't be that unfair when they've been the worst side and collected the least amount of points over a sustained period of well over a year.

Yes a few games have been missed, but they've been dreadful for a long long time now (except when playing against us....)

We really did do our best to help them but to no avail.
Shame ...

[Future17]

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It can't be that unfair when they've been the worst side and collected the least amount of points over a sustained period of well over a year.

Yes a few games have been missed, but they've been dreadful for a long long time now (except when playing against us....)

We really did do our best to help them but to no avail.
Shame ...

The team that is relegated should be the team which has the least points over the course of a full season. That hasn't happened and I think that's unfair to the relegated teams. However, as I said above, I don't think there was a realistic alternative.

[007]

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The S*n are this morning running a story where Ian Murray is having a pop at Dr Mrs Budge over the amount of money they’ve “wasted on reshaping the club time after time”

The infighting has started

For once I agree with him. Only bit I didn't agree with was -
“We’re back, potentially, in the Championship"
Change potentially to almost definitely and then I'd completely agree.

Noticed Michael Stewart said on Saturday's Sportsound that he thought Stendel was a terrible appointment. He didn't expand on it and it was said in amongst a lot of other stuff.

[Kavinho]

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The team that is relegated should be the team which has the least points over the course of a full season. That hasn't happened and I think that's unfair to the relegated teams. However, as I said above, I don't think there was a realistic alternative.

They've amassed the lowest number of points over the last season and a half


Clearly the worst side in the league and undoubtedly deserve to go down.

[Rumble de Thump]

Rules are rules. The season's over and they're comfortably bottom of league. The rules state they get relegated. Cheerio.

[Paisley Hibby]

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This. The fact that a large chunk of the hearts support still back budge after her disastrous decision making this season is actually terrifying

Not terrifying. It's pleasing (as they would say). The longer they can't see what everyone else can the better. If there's a way of fekking up on getting promoted back up quickly then Budge is just the woman to find it, and in style 😂

[hibbyfraelibby]

The moral of the COVID story is the league has a rule that says the season is finished when the Board decide, not when all the games are played, so never ever find yourself in bottom spot.

[bringbackbenny]

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The team that is relegated should be the team which has the least points over the course of a full season. That hasn't happened and I think that's unfair to the relegated teams. However, as I said above, I don't think there was a realistic alternative.

I know what you mean but the SPFL has the authority to determine when the season is 'complete' - and as it's extremely unlikely that the normal full season will now complete it'll be closed as complete. all written up front and perfectly logical and explainable in lieu of the current circumstances.

tough on Hearts but rules are rules and they can't not be applied just because it's Hearts that are in the crapper.

[Peevemor]

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I know what you mean but the SPFL has the authority to determine when the season is 'complete' - and as it's extremely unlikely that the normal full season will now complete it'll be closed as complete. all written up front and perfectly logical and explainable in lieu of the current circumstances.

tough on Hearts but rules are rules and they can't not be applied just because it's Hearts that are in the crapper.

Especially when it's the clubs themselves that set the rules.

[jacomo]

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On the hearts subject, has anyone heard the bye bye jam tarts song floating around social media? It's superb.
ohh ho ho, cheerio, championship here we go, bye bye jam tarts!

This yin?

https://mobile.twitter.com/hibbysmurf/status/1258874015298531329?s=21

[jacomo]

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The team that is relegated should be the team which has the least points over the course of a full season. That hasn't happened and I think that's unfair to the relegated teams. However, as I said above, I don't think there was a realistic alternative.

Budge was given her week task force and the opportunity to come up with a new proposal.

She failed to do so. By her own admission, they didn’t have a plan to present to their fellow clubs.

So who’s fault is that?