The generic Hearts thread

[Sudds_1]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mSu0ID_l50M&noapp=1

Ah...karma repeats itself. Had a wee chuckle remembering this one😁

[Billy Whizz]

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Inverness are probably the worst team to visit Easter Road this season. They weren't coming up anyway

Probably one of the dirtiest too

[greenginger]

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It's not the same organisation. (full stop)

The SPFL is the name that the Scottish Premier League Ltd adopted in 2013.

[Peevemor]

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The SPFL is the name that the Scottish Premier League Ltd adopted in 2013.

With how many additional members?

[Ozyhibby]

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It's not the same organisation. (full stop)

It is the same people who ran both though. If Doncaster is compromised then it doesn’t matter what the logo says, it’s still him.


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[MrSmith]

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The SPFL is the name that the Scottish Premier League Ltd adopted in 2013.

It is but they removed the lower league federation because the president was not keen on the Rangers getting back in. Forgotten his name (Longmuir?) but the SPFL is a combination of the SPL and SFL to create one to rule all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotti...ootball_League

[hibbyfraelibby]

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The SPFL is the name that the Scottish Premier League Ltd adopted in 2013.

You forget the merger between the Scottish Football League and the Scottish Premier League was not a take over. The SPFL is a new body, all be it with some of the usual suspects, not a rebranded SPL.

[Peevemor]

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You forget the merger between the Scottish Football League and the Scottish Premier League was not a take over. The SPFL is a new body, all be it with some of the usual suspects, not a rebranded SPL.

My point exactly. It's not the same set-up.

[Eyrie]

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Let’s not be hasty.

Remember they’re getting expelled, not relegated 😂

If they're being expelled then they won't be playing in any league organised by the SPFL next season and there is a vacancy for Brora and Kelty to argue over.

[Hibs4185]

So.. if all the players have relegation clauses, but according to all connected with hearts, it’s anything but relegation, does that mean all the players get full pay??

Juts like rangers, bad news.... old club. Good news...we are the original rangers.

Hearts to players- we’ve been relegated. 50% reduction or you’re free to leave. To the rest of the world... we’ve not been relegated, it’s a disgrace, we’ve been ejected, expelled blah blah blah.

[CropleyWasGod]

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You forget the merger between the Scottish Football League and the Scottish Premier League was not a take over. The SPFL is a new body, all be it with some of the usual suspects, not a rebranded SPL.

The company itself was formed in 1997. When the merger happened, it renamed itself.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC175364

[Peevemor]

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The company itself was formed in 1997. When the merger happened, it renamed itself.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC175364

And instead of being a breakaway league specifically for the elite, it became the vehicle for the top 4 leagues.

It's fundamentally different from the original company.

[CropleyWasGod]

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And instead of being a breakaway league specifically for the elite, it became the vehicle for the top 4 leagues.

It's fundamentally different from the original company.

...but it is the same company, which some are saying it isn't.

Fwiw, I agree that it trades in a different way now.

[Peevemor]

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...but it is the same company, which some are saying it isn't.

Fwiw, I agree that it trades in a different way now.

The point of the original SPL was the top league breaking away, taking power and money with them.

It's now a totally different model.

[xyz23jc]

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Probably one of the dirtiest too

Mair than Hertz or Aberdeen?

[jacomo]

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And instead of being a breakaway league specifically for the elite, it became the vehicle for the top 4 leagues.

It's fundamentally different from the original company.

And Hearts aren’t being demoted from the SPFL at all, so I don’t know what they are complaining about.

They are just being placed in a more appropriate division.

[Hibees1973]

Interesting wee read over on JKB on ‘why everyone hates Hearts’.

Seems they have resorted ‘en mass’ to a siege mentality with all that is happening to them and their impending relegation.

My feelings are that all fans generally have no ‘hate teams’ other than city rivals or clubs which has a murky history seeped in bigotry and is then adopted by their supporters, for example Rangers.

Which brings me to why they feel everyone hates Hearts. There seems to be little acknowledgement on JKB that they have a fairly large section of support who embrace sectarianism. One of the few successes of the Budge era was to weed out and expel supporters who sang the ‘Billy boy’ song and used sectarianism to abuse opposition players and supporters at matches.

Also, no acknowledgement whatsoever that opposition supporters resent Hearts strategy to launder money and overspend which led the their last 3 Scottish Cup wins. There is nothing on JKB stating that they won nothing for around 40 years until they garnered a massive debt before 1998 and a debt which increased hugely afterwards, up until their subsequent administration in 2014. Over on JKB some posters still regard Romanov as some kind of hero. Jesus, he alone almost destroyed them.

Maybe, I would hate Hearts a little less if they acknowledged these facts. I have a few good mates who are Hearts fans and a workmate Jambo who I get on really well with.

However, if football in Edinburgh becomes a topic of conversation these Jambos try to wind me up about our rivalry, especially our head to head record in the last 30 years. I reply back that that this was mainly due to an imbalance of playing squads for both clubs which was due to Hearts spending more money on players, then getting over £30m (probably a lot more than this) written off.

Sadly, when this is put to a Jambo, the most I get out of them is a raised eyebrow, shake of the head and most of the time no answer all.

My dad is Jambo and wiling to call Hearts out for what they are. Maybe he is being honest with me just because I am his son.

Sadly, no other Jambo I have talked to has been as honest as my dad.

I do have some sympathy for the predicament Hearts are in as it is unfair. I would have even more sympathy and respect for Hearts if the Jambos I know were more honest about what they have got away with for the last 30 years.

[Keith_M]

OMG, we're back to the same club/entity or new club/entity argument.

Please just..... don't.

[mjhibby]

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Interesting wee read over on JKB on ‘why everyone hates Hearts’.

Seems they have resorted ‘en mass’ to a siege mentality with all that is happening to them and their impending relegation.

My feelings are that all fans generally have no ‘hate teams’ other than city rivals or clubs which has a murky history seeped in bigotry and is then adopted by their supporters, for example Rangers.

Which brings me to why they feel everyone hates Hearts. There seems to be little acknowledgement on JKB that they have a fairly large section of support who embrace sectarianism. One of the few successes of the Budge era was to weed out and expel supporters who sang the ‘Billy boy’ song and used sectarianism to abuse opposition players and supporters at matches.

Also, no acknowledgement whatsoever that opposition supporters resent Hearts strategy to launder money and overspend which led the their last 3 Scottish Cup wins. There is nothing on JKB stating that they won nothing for around 40 years until they garnered a massive debt before 1998 and a debt which increased hugely afterwards, up until their subsequent administration in 2014. Over on JKB some posters still regard Romanov as some kind of hero. Jesus, he alone almost destroyed them.

Maybe, I would hate Hearts a little less if they acknowledged these facts. I have a few good mates who are Hearts fans and a workmate Jambo who I get on really well with.

However, if football in Edinburgh becomes a topic of conversation these Jambos try to wind me up about our rivalry, especially our head to head record in the last 30 years. I reply back that that this was mainly due to an imbalance of playing squads for both clubs which was due to Hearts spending more money on players, then getting over £30m (probably a lot more than this) written off.

Sadly, when this is put to a Jambo, the most I get out of them is a raised eyebrow, shake of the head and most of the time no answer all.

My dad is Jambo and wiling to call Hearts out for what they are. Maybe he is being honest with me just because I am his son.

Sadly, no other Jambo I have talked to has been as honest as my dad.

I do have some sympathy for the predicament Hearts are in as it is unfair. I would have even more sympathy and respect for Hearts if the Jambos I know were more honest about what they have got away with for the last 30 years.

Totally my thoughts too. Will go on about the cup wins but silent when you mention the millions they spent they never had. It is indeed karma this is happening as they are going down while having spent £9m extra from foh, £10m overspent on an unfinished stand and millions pumped in by mr benny factor. How the **** do you get relegated with all those advantages. Only our hugely famous neighbours.

[The 90+2]

Did anyone from the current hearts set up ever apologise for past mistakes of robbing companies and charities of products and services they never intended to pay back then bumped through administration?

Surely they did as they often go on about this proud and glorious club.

If Budge did take over and humbly offered her apologies on behalf of past incumbents then I might for one second believe her when she says if it wasn’t hearts in this position she has integrity and be working hard for any club in their position.

[EI255]

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Did anyone from the current hearts set up ever apologise for past mistakes of robbing companies and charities of products and services they never intended to pay back then bumped through administration?

Surely they did as they often go on about this proud and glorious club.

If Budge did take over and humbling offer apologies in behalf of past incumbents then I might for one second believe her when she says if it wasn’t hearts in this position she has integrity and be working hard for any club in their position.

When you read Budge's rant you must wonder what their fans REALLY make of it. Even the shortest of memories can't forget THAT list of creditors!

She really is a hypocrite.

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[The 90+2]

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When you read Budge's rant you must wonder what their fans REALLY make of it. Even the shortest of memories can't forget THAT list of creditors!

She really is a hypocrite.

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I don’t think they care - “blame Romanov, we saved our club”. The rest removed from memory and their “proud history” . it’s certainly not why they call themselves the famous.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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The company itself was formed in 1997. When the merger happened, it renamed itself.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/SC175364

As happens in many mergers...you do not always start with a brand spanking new shelf company you use an existing vehicle.

[Jdawg]

In terms of a solidarity payment when don’t we take Hickey off their hands for 50k?

[Barney McGrew]

The S*n are this morning running a story where Ian Murray is having a pop at Dr Mrs Budge over the amount of money they’ve “wasted on reshaping the club time after time”

The infighting has startedi

[cocteautwin]

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The S*n are this morning running a story where Ian Murray is having a pop at Dr Mrs Budge over the amount of money they’ve “wasted on reshaping the club time after time”

The infighting has startedi

He seems to be the one Jambo that's prepared to stand up and say it's all been a disaster. Not sure anyone will listen to him though, or even try to quantify how much has been spent. Ian, if you are reading this, it's around £28m that's been spent mate. Yes, you read that correctly, £28m. Of additional cash. Over and above the normal club takings of HMFC. It's a total shambles Ian. Have fun in the Tunnocks mate.

[Since452]

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He seems to be the one Jambo that's prepared to stand up and say it's all been a disaster. Not sure anyone will listen to him though, or even try to quantify how much has been spent. Ian, if you are reading this, it's around £28m that's been spent mate. Yes, you read that correctly, £28m. Of additional cash. Over and above the normal club takings of HMFC. It's a total shambles Ian. Have fun in the Tunnocks mate.

The funny thing is that's it's usually way more than it the reported figure

[jacomo]

Michael Stewart in The Sun:

Hearts chief Ann Budge has been stitched up.. but she didn’t do herself any favours, says Michael Stewart

ANN BUDGE will spend much of the next few months thinking over what went wrong during this car crash of a season for Hearts.

And the wisdom of accepting a role heading the SPFL taskforce looking at reconstruction is surely something she will consider.

I can understand why Budge did it, with your fate sitting in so many other people’s hands it would have made sense to her to be inside the process rather than looking on and hoping.

And I’m sure she felt, deep down, that she could persuade people to see things her way.

After the talks collapsed, Budge emailed the 42 clubs saying she had no hard feelings. And that was very magnanimous of her.

But, as the wreckage of reconstruction plans lie scattered across the floor, it’s hard not to feel she was stitched up.

It was far too easy for her to be painted as acting purely in self-interest, with comments about changing the structure in the past thrown back in her face.

Strategic errors, from making a 12-month reconstruction her aim at the outset to joining in on the battle against the SPFL, dogged her throughout.

And, with Scottish football facing financial ruin as well as being at war with itself over the botched vote and Rangers’ dossier, you always got the impression clubs would be more interested in other things right now.

That’s how it has panned out. But while everyone recognises the peril Scottish football is in, it is a shame our clubs couldn’t reach a consensus to help everyone. It’s not just Hearts, of course — Partick Thistle and Stranraer will be relegated without seeing out the season too, while the pyramid system has been abandoned for the year, leaving Kelty Hearts and Brora Rangers stranded.

Self-interest and in- fighting have come to the fore again, as they always do in Scottish football, sadly.

I don’t see why we couldn’t have made a change to last two or three years, rather than insist on 12 months or it being locked in for the long term.

We could have tried it on a trial basis then let the clubs decide whether they thought it was working.

All it would have taken is a bit of forward thinking, but you get the impression that people came at it from already entrenched positions.So the vast majority of the pain from Covid-19’s fallout is being lumped on to three clubs.

Despite the sympathy I have for Hearts because of the brutal nature of the season ending early, it’s wrong to think the club are blameless in this mess.

The season has been a disaster and for a club of Hearts’ size, with that level of budget, to be sitting bottom even after 30 games is shocking.

Mismanagement happened at all levels, from Budge in the boardroom to the shambolic tenure of Craig Levein right through to current, and probably soon to be former, boss Daniel Stendel.

So many people have to share the blame. The Hearts fans will focus on the SPFL right now and the unfairness of the process.

But while they have a point, it doesn’t tell the whole story.

Levein had a horror show as director of football and was even worse as manager, signing a ridiculous amount of players who were nowhere near good enough.

The revolving door of new signings, many way short of the standard needed at Hearts, sums up how the football side of the club was allowed to get out of control. Was there anyone in the boardroom overseeing and ever saying no? It never looked like it as Levein got free rein.

And, even when they finally sacked him, they walked into another mess of their own making.

The appointment of Stendel kidded some people on — and there are still fans who reckon he’d have turned it around.

But let’s be honest, he’s been a disaster too.

The German admitted he didn’t know anything about Scottish football and did little to convince he wanted the job in the first place.

It’s amazing to think anyone was convinced he was the right man at the right time. Hearts were third bottom, level on points with St Johnstone, when he came in.

Fast forward a few months and, when the league’s called, Saints will move into the top six — while Hearts are heading to the Championship.

So it’s not as though he inherited a lost cause, he had the time and backing to get it right and couldn’t.

Ultimately, Budge is the person who has presided over the whole thing.

She’s got plenty to reflect on — and it’s not just how they’ve been let down by the SPFL.

[jacomo]

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He seems to be the one Jambo that's prepared to stand up and say it's all been a disaster. Not sure anyone will listen to him though, or even try to quantify how much has been spent. Ian, if you are reading this, it's around £28m that's been spent mate. Yes, you read that correctly, £28m. Of additional cash. Over and above the normal club takings of HMFC. It's a total shambles Ian. Have fun in the Tunnocks mate.

I’m no fan of Ian Murray, but at least he’s asking questions of Budge.

They have been an absolute shambles on and off the pitch since Robbie Neilson was sacked. Something for Jambos to reflect on.

[Peevemor]

I'm getting sick of this "self interest" thing being chucked in our (and other clubs') faces.

If expanding the premiership to 14 teams or whatever doesn't suit us, for whatever reasons, we are right to vote against it.

Hearts merit relegation and can go an f*** themselves.