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[Waxy]

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They keep talking about losing £3 million by being relegated. They won't lose £3 million. They just won't earn it.

Exactly. Its like us saying were going to lose 10 million next season if they dont let us in the champions league.

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I think the way the game has been since Rangers were caught cheating and then given a free pass all discipline has broken down all together. We must be the only country in Europe where clubs regularly release statements attacking the governing body and other clubs with zero comeback on them at all. It would never happen in England but because there are so many skeletons from the cover up from 2012 then the governing body is powerless now to stop this anarchy now.
The decision taken is the right one but the lack of trust from 2012 and afterwards means that it is not respected. The desire to ‘move on’ and get back to making money comes at a price and we are paying it now.


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Deflection
Now is not the time for any investigations or inquiries or anything else for that matter all that really matters now is the survival of the game.

All the rest of this pisch is just deflection. That horse has long bolted.


For the survival of the game get rid of the 2 crowd pleasers
They would do well in the Northern Irish league where they could have as many investigations as they wish; they could also march along to the beat of their favourite tunes.
All in my humble opinion.

[Wakeyhibee]

That statement is just a rambling, disjointed load of nonsense.

Amongst all the contradictory claptrap she's spouted over the last month, how is this a missed opportunity to change away from playing each other 4 times, when you're proposing a 14 team league?

However I do hope this sense of entitlement takes them down a financial sapping legal fiasco.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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The go fund me page has kicked off!

https://www.gofundme.com/f/only-hear...f+share-flow-1

£550 raised in 7hrs...and £500 of that from the guy who set up the page. Going to be a money spinner

[Aldo]

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They keep talking about losing £3 million by being relegated. They won't lose £3 million. They just won't earn it.

The £3 million mentioned will be the shortfall/funding gap to get them to the end of the season. All due to her mismanagement and then living outwith their means again.

The SF money would be an added bonus and shouldn’t really be planned for imho.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Deflection
Now is not the time for any investigations or inquiries or anything else for that matter all that really matters now is the survival of the game.

All the rest of this pisch is just deflection. That horse has long bolted.


For the survival of the game get rid of the 2 crowd pleasers
They would do well in the Northern Irish league where they could have as many investigations as they wish; they could also march along to the beat of their favourite tunes.
All in my humble opinion.

That’s just as silly a suggestion as Hearts fans saying they should leave Scottish football for the English leagues.


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That’s just as silly a suggestion as Hearts fans saying they should leave Scottish football for the English leagues.


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In your opinion, also note that you missed out the first part of my comment

Deflection
Now is not the time for any investigations or inquiries or anything else for that matter all that really matters now is the survival of the game.

All the rest of this pisch is just deflection. That horse has long bolted.

[hibsbollah]

I wonder how much booze Stendel is putting away now.

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I wonder how much booze Stendel is putting away now.

Sure he will be on it Aldi

[Greencore]

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Sure he will be on it Aldi

Lidl

[The Modfather]

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They keep talking about losing £3 million by being relegated. They won't lose £3 million. They just won't earn it.

Is a million of that not from the remaining fixtures and semi final that Leslie Deans talked about on Sportsound? I notice he never acknowledged that other teams will also miss out on that exact same revenue.

[Berwickhibby]

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£550 raised in 7hrs...and £500 of that from the guy who set up the page. Going to be a money spinner

I tried to donate, but unfortunately that site won't accept 'steam of my ****' ach well

[Ozyhibby]

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In your opinion, also note that you missed out the first part of my comment

Deflection
Now is not the time for any investigations or inquiries or anything else for that matter all that really matters now is the survival of the game.

All the rest of this pisch is just deflection. That horse has long bolted.

Now is not the time. Wasn’t that what Rod and Leeann said last time it was asked for?
Now never seems to be the time.


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[calumhibee1]

The clutching at straws on JKB is outstanding.

“Expelled”
“Hand in our notice and join the English leagues”
Thinking the legal action they’re not going to end up taking will mean all of Scottish football can’t play again - until of course Hearts are reinstated in the top tier because it’s so unfair that they’ve been relegated after being the worst team in the league for nearly 2 years.

The lack of a brain cell between them is something to behold.

[Caversham Green]

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They keep talking about losing £3 million by being relegated. They won't lose £3 million. They just won't earn it.

They'll also be reducing their costs - they can cut their wage bill by that £3m and still have by far the highest budget in the Championship - much higher than the team that won it this season.

[Keith_M]

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Lidl

I thought we were the Lidl team.

[The Modfather]

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Many, many times but we were ignored in favour of the short term benefits of just moving on.
I would still reject the Sevco proposal on Tuesday as the terms of reference are too narrow but it is time for a more comprehensive inquiry into the governance of the game and a move to full transparency.

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That’s my worry in all this. The scattergun way Hearts and Rangers have been lashing out at anything and everything detracts from some valid questions about our governance. The right outcome looks like it will finally be reached in terms of calling the league with finishing the season not being possible. However I have even less confidence in those running Scottish football after all this than I did before.

This mess has merely shone a light on all that we suspected of the SPFL (and more generally the SFA) that everyone is in it for themselves and folk like Doncaster have free reign to ride the gravy train as long as they want. We should have listened to Barry Hearn.

[Phil MaGlass]

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I wonder how much booze Stendel is putting away now.

probably not as much as what I have put away over the past few weeks

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Now is not the time. Wasn’t that what Rod and Leeann said last time it was asked for?
Now never seems to be the time.


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Hey while we all have our opinions and rightly so, I stick by mine, far more important things happening both in football and around us to waste time and money on investigations, lets see what things look like when we get out of all this, then in a season or 2 investigate all they want.
I could never bring myself to agree with what is being touted by the heartz and the hun at this time.

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The clutching at straws on JKB is outstanding.

“Expelled”
“Hand in our notice and join the English leagues”
Thinking the legal action they’re not going to end up taking will mean all of Scottish football can’t play again - until of course Hearts are reinstated in the top tier because it’s so unfair that they’ve been relegated after being the worst team in the league for nearly 2 years.

The lack of a brain cell between them is something to behold.

Just another reason to relegate them right away, then we can move on with the game in whatever form it takes for the future, a future that does not include the Heartz in the SpFL

[hibbyfraelibby]

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I thought we were the Lidl team.

Asda be some truth in that statement

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Asda be some truth in that statement

The Heartz "More front than Sainsbury's"

[hibsbollah]

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probably not as much as what I have put away over the past few weeks

Alcohol sales up 30% since March. My household is definitely responsible for some of that.
Morrison’s for feeling cheerful.

[Peevemor]

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That’s my worry in all this. The scattergun way Hearts and Rangers have been lashing out at anything and everything detracts from some valid questions about our governance. The right outcome looks like it will finally be reached in terms of calling the league with finishing the season not being possible. However I have even less confidence in those running Scottish football after all this than I did before.

This mess has merely shone a light on all that we suspected of the SPFL (and more generally the SFA) that everyone is in it for themselves and folk like Doncaster have free reign to ride the gravy train as long as they want. We should have listened to Barry Hearn.

OK maybe you can tell me. What has the SPFL done wrong in all this?

What questions are raised?

[Ozyhibby]

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Hey while we all have our opinions and rightly so, I stick by mine, far more important things happening both in football and around us to waste time and money on investigations, lets see what things look like when we get out of all this, then in a season or 2 investigate all they want.
I could never bring myself to agree with what is being touted by the heartz and the hun at this time.

I’m not saying endorse their calls for an investigation. That is too narrow a focus. Call the league, relegate Hearts and then do a full investigation on the governance of the game. And leave nothing off the table and have the whole process transparent.


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[Bostonhibby]

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Huge uptake in donations so far oh Keith, a fool and their money are often parted

Can't see any four figure donation from 'Fuming in Edinburgh, Mr L Deans '

Still at least we know it's currently a demotion for finishing last rather than an expulsion or being "expunged".

I might donate a couple of bags of flour if I can get my hands on any, or maybe a box of Mr Kiplings, he does make exceedingly good cakes.

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[Bostonhibby]

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They’re trying to raise £100,000 that’s roughly a third of their legal costs and that’s assuming they win. If not there is a possibility the court could make them pay all court costs which could be in the region of £5-600,000. Are they willing or can they afford to take that risk. Case closed m’lud.

Can you seek surety of costs in Scotland before the action proceeds?

They do have a history of non payment of debts and liabilities so the court and defendants would be wise to see the money first.

Maybe a wee charge over Tynecastle, or a large deposit from thin Dean's character will take care of it?


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[Since452]

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I hope to see some challenges especially from Hibs and other teams, regarding that awful and aggressive statement attacking Scottish clubs.

Budge should be ashamed of herself for putting that out in the public domain. Cringeworthy, despicable, inept, embarrassing, shameful, degrading, exasperating, nonsensical and completely demeaning drivel.

shame on you Ann Budge!

Hibs usually keep a dignified silence. We don't really need to say anything. Other clubs are making a complete James Blunt of themselves all by themselves

[Jim44]

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That's crazy if it is the same person who is trying to fundraise money to mount some kind of legal challenge, along with Dean's who has been investigated for money laundering, what a horrible, grubby little club, they really do make a mess of everything

Anyone wishing to make a contribution to them might want more information about the campaign. Some of them are wary of contributing to something not rubber stamped by the club so the originator (Saughton Jambo ) has posted:

I can understand everyone’s concerns regarding the crowd funding page that I have started. There was much talk about starting a crowd funding page and now I’ve actioned it to happen. Please believe me I am no scammer.

I have put my name, my reputation and ultimately my business to ensure that no skullduggery shall be afoot. I am known to management throughout the years by way of my continued financial support In good times and in bad. I will not stand idly by and see our club and chairman being ridiculed in the media by the biased west coast SMS.

I have also raised money on JKB by the David Hagen auction and given stuff to be auctioned on here to raise money for JKB. Dave McClaren our moderator, has been to my house to collect the very own Dave Vanacek jersey I sponsored last year to give away as an auction prize. I’m sure I am known by a few members on here and to call me a scammer is being cautious at best but so wide of the mark. Scammers do not put their own name and address to such fundraising and do you really think I’d want circa 8000 people banging on my door if there was a misappropriation of funds?

I have written to senior management to inform them of my actions and I have also contacted Stuart Wallace regarding this. I have invited both to become trustees of this fund.

Please see below my corespondance to the relevant people I have contacted
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Dear Ann,


Dear Ms Park and Mr Wallace,

I am writing to you to express my concerns as of, the decision made on Friday to veto the motion to carry forward any plans for league reconstruction. This was voted against by premiership member clubs before the mandate proposed,by our chairman, had been given a chance to circulate.

To say I, and many fellow supporter are furious, would be the understatement of the year. It’s not just the proposals put forward, it’s the whole manner in which the way events have unfolded and member clubs have been ‘leaned upon’ to favour and benefit certain member clubs within the governing body.

Listening to Sportsound yesterday, I was encouraged by a former board member, probably by way of a Rally Cry, by virtue of, every fan needs to do their bit! I simply cannot and won’t see our proud and glorious club suffer severe financial hardship which has been forced upon us by this global pandemic. We have always played within the rules of sporting integrity and yet I feel it’s been to the detriment of our club that our chairman has been honest, upfront and forthright in her endeavours to find a fair solution for all clubs and not just ourselves. This has lead to her integrity being taken advantage of by the double dealing that has taken place.

Without rambling on about past events then the purpose of this email is to say, if we decide to challenge the outcome or the way in which the outcome was derived by underhand dealings then a lengthy civil action will be costly to say the least. Mr Leslie Deans expects the figure to be between £250k - £500k. This is a lawsuit we probably cant afford if we find ourselves in the championship, but to sit back and do nothing is wrong. Who says it’s wrong? The supporters and everyone who follows our great club.

Therefore I have set up a crowd funding page to raise funds for Heart of Midlothian Football Club. I have opened this with a £500 donation to start things moving. If we find ourselves cruelly demoted after the European deadline to action the finishing of our league campaign, then I would like to think we have a separate fighting fund in place now that would urge our board to take this forward to the court of session. It would help to sway our cause if the club knows that the decision will not financially harm us and the funds have been raised separately by loyal supporters to enable us to do this.

Ann I am personally reaching out to you as a valued friend to endorse this campaign as you know me well enough. As a person who holds our great club very close to my heart, then I have never wavered with my support on the terraces home and away, and also as a match partner who has for a number of years, continually put money into our coffers by player, match sponsor, hosting and advertising.

There has already been some ‘raised eyebrows’ online as to the integrity of my actions. I can assure you that my actions are the result of much debate and I have decided to Seize the Day. This is our Carpe Diem and the time to act is now.

I would be happy to invite you and Stuart Wallace as a trustee of this crowdfunding page. This is to ensure transparency when the subject of monies is to be dispersed. I am happy for the FOH to take complete control over this if it does not raise concerns over a matter of conflict. This is a separate fund to be used for legal action If it’s decided and should by no way undermine the great work the FOH and its members, myself included, subscribe to every month by raising funds out with the FOH.

I thank you for taking the time to read this and I would employ you to urge all fellow supporters to get behind this campaign to show the world that Heart of Midlothian Football Club will not take this decision lying down.

Nemo me impune lacessit

Always Hearts

Yours faithfully

Keith Drysdale

[Bostonhibby]

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£550 raised in 7hrs...and £500 of that from the guy who set up the page. Going to be a money spinner

They might be able to but a nice greenhouse for the media "area" if it carries on like this. It's not as if they've any track record of using funds for their original purpose.

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