Coronavirus

[McD]

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A wee bit of friendly advice, control what you can control and stop looking for even the most innocuous things that appear to be raising your anxiety levels.


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I’ll take your point on friendly at face value, it doesn’t really come across that way, more patronising.

I'm not anxious, nor am I looking for innocuous things to complain about, I’m pissed off that whilst I and my family are doing what we can to adhere to the guidance and missing out on precious time with each other, other people are taking the piss, and at the same time, making it more difficult for my wife to get out even for exercise as she’s in an at risk category, and it’s harder to practise social distancing when the paths and streets are busy with people who don’t live anywhere near us.

[hibsbollah]

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I’ll take your point on friendly at face value, it doesn’t really come across that way, more patronising.

I'm not anxious, nor am I looking for innocuous things to complain about, I’m pissed off that whilst I and my family are doing what we can to adhere to the guidance and missing out on precious time with each other, other people are taking the piss, and at the same time, making it more difficult for my wife to get out even for exercise as she’s in an at risk category, and it’s harder to practise social distancing when the paths and streets are busy with people who don’t live anywhere near us.

You're not anxious? Lucky you. Im anxious as ****, I live in a house with an anxious wife and two anxious children. My colleagues are anxious, my neighbours are anxious. My facebook friends are pretending not to be anxious. I was at Sainsburys yesterday queuing for 20 minutes with a lot of other people wearing masks, all looking anxiously at each other. Anxiety is the new normal.

[McD]

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You're not anxious? Lucky you. Im anxious as ****, I live in a house with an anxious wife and two anxious children. My colleagues are anxious, my neighbours are anxious. My facebook friends are pretending not to be anxious. I was at Sainsburys yesterday queuing for 20 minutes with a lot of other people wearing masks, all looking anxiously at each other. Anxiety is the new normal.

poor word choice on my part. I meant these idiots aren’t raising my anxiety levels, just ire

[DH1875]

Today is the first day in 6 weeks that kids are allowed out in Spain. One hour and with one adult. Now that's a lockdown.

[Sir David Gray]

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I’ll take your point on friendly at face value, it doesn’t really come across that way, more patronising.

I'm not anxious, nor am I looking for innocuous things to complain about, I’m pissed off that whilst I and my family are doing what we can to adhere to the guidance and missing out on precious time with each other, other people are taking the piss, and at the same time, making it more difficult for my wife to get out even for exercise as she’s in an at risk category, and it’s harder to practise social distancing when the paths and streets are busy with people who don’t live anywhere near us.

Totally agree and I think it's a completely normal way to feel.

[Sir David Gray]

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Today is the first day in 6 weeks that kids are allowed out in Spain. One hour and with one adult. Now that's a lockdown.

Spain's death toll today now under 300.

[Frankhfc]

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You're not anxious? Lucky you. Im anxious as ****, I live in a house with an anxious wife and two anxious children. My colleagues are anxious, my neighbours are anxious. My facebook friends are pretending not to be anxious. I was at Sainsburys yesterday queuing for 20 minutes with a lot of other people wearing masks, all looking anxiously at each other. Anxiety is the new normal.

Definitely. When the lockdown is relaxed I'll be staying on guard so to speak or even taking extra precautions if possible. Any relaxation should be accompanied with facemasks worn as mandatory. Anyone being cavalier about this virus should watch and learn from people who have had moderate to severe symptoms or listen to stories from those on the front line particularly those in the NHS. Personally speaking I'd welcome an even stricter lockdown for at least another eight weeks.

[hibsbollah]

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poor word choice on my part. I meant these idiots aren’t raising my anxiety levels, just ire

I agree with the other poster a bit though, try not to get ire-some, if thats a word. No criticism intended. Just worry about what you can control. Otherwise the whole world is going to go mental

[grunt]

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I agree with the other poster a bit though, try not to get ire-some, if thats a word. No criticism intended. Just worry about what you can control. Otherwise the whole world is going to go mental

Irate?

[hibsbollah]

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Irate?

indeed.

[Hibby Bairn]

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Today is the first day in 6 weeks that kids are allowed out in Spain. One hour and with one adult. Now that's a lockdown.

Didn’t work though. 23,000 deaths. Absolutely ridiculous confinement of children.

[Hibby Bairn]

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Definitely. When the lockdown is relaxed I'll be staying on guard so to speak or even taking extra precautions if possible. Any relaxation should be accompanied with facemasks worn as mandatory. Anyone being cavalier about this virus should watch and learn from people who have had moderate to severe symptoms or listen to stories from those on the front line particularly those in the NHS. Personally speaking I'd welcome an even stricter lockdown for at least another eight weeks.

What? Stricter lockdown till the 9th July?

What would you be proposing under a stricter lockdown?

[PaulSmith]

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Definitely. When the lockdown is relaxed I'll be staying on guard so to speak or even taking extra precautions if possible. Any relaxation should be accompanied with facemasks worn as mandatory. Anyone being cavalier about this virus should watch and learn from people who have had moderate to severe symptoms or listen to stories from those on the front line particularly those in the NHS. Personally speaking I'd welcome an even stricter lockdown for at least another eight weeks.

Then after 8 weeks what has been achieved?

I liken the current crisis to the AIDS related one where we were told we’d all die if we had unprotected sex.. or words to that effect.

Now what happened is that we gradually understood that’s its actually quite difficult to catch if you practice “normal” heterosexual sex or if you do like it the other way then use protection. This is all broadly speaking.

Humans are not designed to wear face masks and its still to be understood if this might cause the user more harm than good in the long term. That’s before we even start to discuss how it will socially impact generations. Again though wearing a face mask should be a personal choice.

Be sensible:-
1) wash your hands regularly
2) sneeze/cough into a hankie
3) ensure that hard items are sanitised regularly

Generally walking past someone and then dying from c19 - sorry but the percentages are up there with winning the euro millions lottery, twice.

If you think that’s being cavalier about the virus then I’m absolutely fine with it.

I can understand the fear as every single media source for the last 8 weeks has been 24/7 about death rates and somewhere the context has been lost.


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[McD]

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I agree with the other poster a bit though, try not to get ire-some, if thats a word. No criticism intended. Just worry about what you can control. Otherwise the whole world is going to go mental

Yeah fair point

I get what the poster was saying as well, I suppose a part of it is the frustration of the whole situation makes you more likely to get annoyed by things that would normally not really get to you

[Scouse Hibee]

My sister and niece who live in Manchester applied for test on Friday, had it done at Manchester airport test centre yesterday and got the results today which were negative thankfully.

[Hibby Bairn]

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My sister and niece who live in Manchester applied for test on Friday, had it done at Manchester airport test centre yesterday and got the results today which were negative thankfully.

Did they have symptoms SH?

[Scouse Hibee]

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Did they have symptoms SH?

My niece has Cerebral Palsy and my sister has COPD both in the high risk category and showed mild symptoms so were advised to request a test for both.

[lapsedhibee]

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Then after 8 weeks what has been achieved?

I liken the current crisis to the AIDS related one where we were told we’d all die if we had unprotected sex.. or words to that effect.

Now what happened is that we gradually understood that’s its actually quite difficult to catch if you practice “normal” heterosexual sex or if you do like it the other way then use protection. This is all broadly speaking.

Humans are not designed to wear face masks and its still to be understood if this might cause the user more harm than good in the long term. That’s before we even start to discuss how it will socially impact generations. Again though wearing a face mask should be a personal choice.

Be sensible:-
1) wash your hands regularly
2) sneeze/cough into a hankie
3) ensure that hard items are sanitised regularly

Generally walking past someone and then dying from c19 - sorry but the percentages are up there with winning the euro millions lottery, twice.

If you think that’s being cavalier about the virus then I’m absolutely fine with it.

I can understand the fear as every single media source for the last 8 weeks has been 24/7 about death rates and somewhere the context has been lost.

The message was "Ignorance Kills" so you're right, that Aids campaign is relevant today.

"The other way" - what's this, 1950?

[Sir David Gray]

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My sister and niece who live in Manchester applied for test on Friday, had it done at Manchester airport test centre yesterday and got the results today which were negative thankfully.

Glad to hear that.

[PaulSmith]

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The message was "Ignorance Kills" so you're right, that Aids campaign is relevant today.

"The other way" - what's this, 1950?

Being ignorant works both ways.

2020 version... ripping your boyfriend/girlfriends bum hole through anal sex without protection is more likely to transmit HIV. But you knew that but focussed in on one irrelevant part of the post rather than add meaningful debate...


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[Hibby Bairn]

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Then after 8 weeks what has been achieved?

I liken the current crisis to the AIDS related one where we were told we’d all die if we had unprotected sex.. or words to that effect.

Now what happened is that we gradually understood that’s its actually quite difficult to catch if you practice “normal” heterosexual sex or if you do like it the other way then use protection. This is all broadly speaking.

Humans are not designed to wear face masks and its still to be understood if this might cause the user more harm than good in the long term. That’s before we even start to discuss how it will socially impact generations. Again though wearing a face mask should be a personal choice.

Be sensible:-
1) wash your hands regularly
2) sneeze/cough into a hankie
3) ensure that hard items are sanitised regularly

Generally walking past someone and then dying from c19 - sorry but the percentages are up there with winning the euro millions lottery, twice.

If you think that’s being cavalier about the virus then I’m absolutely fine with it.

I can understand the fear as every single media source for the last 8 weeks has been 24/7 about death rates and somewhere the context has been lost.


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I agree with all of this. The grip of fear that we now find ourselves in is way beyond the actual risk to anyone having a serious infection let alone dying.

I completely understand the greater risk that does exist to older people and people with health conditions. And also I believe to people who are overweight/obese.

But there needs to be a sensible way forward. I don’t know what that is but it cannot be lockdown or lockdown-lite for some indeterminate period in the hope a vaccine materialises.

The government will hopefully not impose mask wearing. I don’t think they will and will leave it to public choice. I certainly don’t feel the need to wear one. And it feels odd seeing others wearing one. Just go about your daily life. Practise suggested social distancing. And you should be just fine.

[Betty Boop]

Anybody watching 'When will Lockdown end' on Channel 4 ?

[greenlex]

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Didn’t work though. 23,000 deaths. Absolutely ridiculous confinement of children.

Maybe it did. Weren’t they locked down before us but were possibly weeks ahead on the infection front. We’re at 20k plus and behind them in timescale. A difference of around 500 a day till it’s in single figures could easily see us overtake them.

[lord bunberry]

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I agree with all of this. The grip of fear that we now find ourselves in is way beyond the actual risk to anyone having a serious infection let alone dying.

I completely understand the greater risk that does exist to older people and people with health conditions. And also I believe to people who are overweight/obese.

But there needs to be a sensible way forward. I don’t know what that is but it cannot be lockdown or lockdown-lite for some indeterminate period in the hope a vaccine materialises.

The government will hopefully not impose mask wearing. I don’t think they will and will leave it to public choice. I certainly don’t feel the need to wear one. And it feels odd seeing others wearing one. Just go about your daily life. Practise suggested social distancing. And you should be just fine.

I’m struggling to see any alternative to this tbh. The lockdown can’t go on much longer, my guess would be the end of May before most people will be back to work. Large gatherings won’t be allowed and I doubt the pubs will be open, but shops will reopen and other businesses will be allowed to reopen with social distancing.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Anybody watching 'When will Lockdown end' on Channel 4 ?

Matt Hancock

[Frankhfc]

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What? Stricter lockdown till the 9th July?

What would you be proposing under a stricter lockdown?

I'd happily accept being locked down until at least then. I'd advocate the wearing of masks at all time outdoors, ban joggers and allow single shoppers in stores only for starters. A premature relaxation will undoubtedly cost lives, imo.

[Pretty Boy]

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I’m struggling to see any alternative to this tbh. The lockdown can’t go on much longer, my guess would be the end of May before most people will be back to work. Large gatherings won’t be allowed and I doubt the pubs will be open, but shops will reopen and other businesses will be allowed to reopen with social distancing.

Its hard to say what the future will hold until there is concrete evidence of immunity after infection or not.

The virus is endemic now, it's not going to be eradicated in the short to medium term. The reality is that if a vaccine isn't workable then we can't hide away forever. There is going to come a point at which we need to learn to live with it in a way that resembles what was normal only 3 months ago. Bars, cafes, restaurants, cinemas, gyms etc aren't going to be erased from various cultures.

I think a start would be a clear understanding and explanation of how the virus spreads, I'm sure that is at the forefront of research. People seem to imagine that there is a risk from walking past someone in the street at less than 2 metres apart; in a scenario in which there is no pause and no conversation that would seem highly unlikely. Various encounters we will experience, such as that described above and more social situations, need to be explained to people and advice on how and when to protect yourself should be given.

The current lockdown was never about removing the virus from circulation, even countries that have got close to managing that can't close their borders indefinitely, it's all about buying time to gather information and act on it.

[Hibby Bairn]

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Maybe it did. Weren’t they locked down before us but were possibly weeks ahead on the infection front. We’re at 20k plus and behind them in timescale. A difference of around 500 a day till it’s in single figures could easily see us overtake them.

OK. Let’s say that it hasn’t worked for either country. Both dreadful figures. But keeping children confined inside for 6 weeks is completely unjustified.

[Hibby Bairn]

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I'd happily accept being locked down until at least then. I'd advocate the wearing of masks at all time outdoors, ban joggers and allow single shoppers in stores only for starters. A premature relaxation will undoubtedly cost lives, imo.

Why would you ban joggers?

[greenlex]

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OK. Let’s say that it hasn’t worked for either country. Both dreadful figures. But keeping children confined inside for 6 weeks is completely unjustified.

It will only be unjustified if there is no material difference. We might never know as there are too many variables. Culture and weather being the biggest two I think.