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[Aldo]

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Nothing is passing a vote that costs the top clubs money. Doesn’t matter how good an idea it is.


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Correct. Reeks of desperation imho. Not once did she mention the possibility of them being relegated.

One season reconstruction...... aye right. Like that’s going to happen.

Let’s hope Dundee see the light and do the right thing!


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[tamig]

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I outlined at length what I thought were the benefits on other threads and got the usual kicking for the length of my posts ... but just for you Before I do start I will admit that this is based on a fantasy land where Scottish football isn't populated by a bunch of greedy / self serving bassas, but instead by 42 clubs all with the overall good of the game at heart and looking out for each other.

1) ... A 14 team league wouldn't IMO dilute the quality of the league ( such as it is ) by any measurable amount, its only two more clubs ... Dundee Utd looked a decent side when they came to ER and I'm sure most of the top half of the championship could give the bottom half of the premiership a run for their money.

2) ... As this situation is highlighting all to well most of our clubs operate hand to mouth. A bigger top division would provide more opportunity to clubs to dine at the top table with the higher income that provides through crowds and prize / TV money .. albeit slightly reduced from a 12 team set up.

3) ... A bigger league would provide for 2 automatic relegation spots and a play off spot. Home and away play offs between 11th & 12th in the premiership and 3rd & 4th in the championship with the championship winners playing the premiership losers in a one off game at a neutral venue ... that would be a pretty exciting event IMO and keep interest in the bottom half boiling over with an 8/6 split after the first home and away round of fixtures, considering practically all of that bottom 8 would probably be in danger of relegation at the split and for most of the rest of the season.

4) ... All that would enable any club relegated a better opportunity not to languish for years in the championship and also provide an avenue back for the likes of Dunfermline or Ayr Utd ... both clubs with more potential than Hamilton or Ross County.

That's the bottom line for me, to help ensure as many of our clubs as possible, and especially the ones trying manfully against the current odds to stay full time, are protected from the worst consequences of relegation ... I can't see how that's a bad thing and if it benefits Hearts in this instance that's a consequence I would grit my teeth and live with because of the overall benefits as I see them.

Although I’m no sympathiser of the club, can I ask why you pick out Ross County? I think they’re a very well run club and their crowds compare well with the majority of mid-rank top flight sides. If I was singling out clubs who lack potential - if crowds are the main factor driving that view - Ross County wouldn’t be one of those clubs.

[Greenworld]

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Nothing is passing a vote that costs the top clubs money. Doesn’t matter how good an idea it is.


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Thats where i am with this , its not happening this season. It certainly something to look at next season but not now

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[hibbydad]

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Although I’m no sympathiser of the club, can I ask why you pick out Ross County? I think they’re a very well run club and their crowds compare well with the majority of mid-rank top flight sides. If I was singling out clubs who lack potential - if crowds are the main factor driving that view - Ross County wouldn’t be one of those clubs.

You are right Tamig

[S4uzee]

So if as expected Dundee reject finishing the season as is, what happens next? Is the season null and void?

[04Sauzee]

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So if as expected Dundee reject finishing the season as is, what happens next? Is the season null and void?

Null and void is not an option

[Springbank]

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So if as expected Dundee reject finishing the season as is, what happens next? Is the season null and void?

It means no income til autumn for all spfl clubs.

And for Dundee it might mean a nasty surprise, that their insurers might not pay out clean for a "loss of income" from gate receipts, as the remaining games this season are still to be played - in the autumn

[Springbank]

...and it means hearts & rangers go bust in May

[Del Boy]

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So if as expected Dundee reject finishing the season as is, what happens next? Is the season null and void?

why is that expected? If they were voting no then they would have submitted their vote as planned and not asked spfl to ignore that vote. More likely they’re changing their vote to yes, but need to find a way to explain all the nonsense that has gone on. Could take a while!

[Jones28]

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...and it means hearts & rangers go bust in May

It could mean more clubs than Hearts and Rangers going bust.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

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******* hell!

I’m reading back and genuinely cringing at what I was writing last night/this morning.
It’s fair to assume that I had a couple of shandies down me and was looking for bites.
That’s actually very out of character for me. I apologise to anyone I managed to piss off.

Fair enough dude. 👍 Apologies if I called you a Jambo, just couldn't get my head around your way of thinking. Didnt piss me off, just found the whole conversation quite bizarre. 😄

[whiskyhibby]

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Correct. Reeks of desperation imho. Not once did she mention the possibility of them being relegated.

One season reconstruction...... aye right. Like that’s going to happen.

Let’s hope Dundee see the light and do the right thing!


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She is panicking as Hearts are on the verge of administration or liquidation in my opinion

[B.H.F.C]

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I outlined at length what I thought were the benefits on other threads and got the usual kicking for the length of my posts ... but just for you Before I do start I will admit that this is based on a fantasy land where Scottish football isn't populated by a bunch of greedy / self serving bassas, but instead by 42 clubs all with the overall good of the game at heart and looking out for each other.

1) ... A 14 team league wouldn't IMO dilute the quality of the league ( such as it is ) by any measurable amount, its only two more clubs ... Dundee Utd looked a decent side when they came to ER and I'm sure most of the top half of the championship could give the bottom half of the premiership a run for their money.

2) ... As this situation is highlighting all to well most of our clubs operate hand to mouth. A bigger top division would provide more opportunity to clubs to dine at the top table with the higher income that provides through crowds and prize / TV money .. albeit slightly reduced from a 12 team set up.

3) ... A bigger league would provide for 2 automatic relegation spots and a play off spot. Home and away play offs between 11th & 12th in the premiership and 3rd & 4th in the championship with the championship winners playing the premiership losers in a one off game at a neutral venue ... that would be a pretty exciting event IMO and keep interest in the bottom half boiling over with an 8/6 split after the first home and away round of fixtures, considering practically all of that bottom 8 would probably be in danger of relegation at the split and for most of the rest of the season.

4) ... All that would enable any club relegated a better opportunity not to languish for years in the championship and also provide an avenue back for the likes of Dunfermline or Ayr Utd ... both clubs with more potential than Hamilton or Ross County.

That's the bottom line for me, to help ensure as many of our clubs as possible, and especially the ones trying manfully against the current odds to stay full time, are protected from the worst consequences of relegation ... I can't see how that's a bad thing and if it benefits Hearts in this instance that's a consequence I would grit my teeth and live with because of the overall benefits as I see them.

Cheers for the response, just don’t see the appeal in it myself though.

I’m definitely in the selfish bracket where it’s concerned. I don’t think extending it provides any opportunity, or make it any more exciting, for Hibs. That’s not to say I hope the smaller clubs go bust or anything like that, I absolutely don’t.

If there was one thing I was going to change, I wouldn’t have the playoff so heavily weighted in favour of the premiership team though.

[Greenworld]

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[tamig]

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https://thecelticstar.com/inverness-...urce-claims/5/

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The article lost any integrity for me in the first para. A Yes vote by ICT would have delivered cash and probably promotion back to the premier. How does that second bit work?

[Jim44]

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https://thecelticstar.com/inverness-...urce-claims/5/

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Probably a load of twaddle. I think you should take all ‘news’ emanating from Old Firm sources with a ton of sodium chloride.

[CropleyWasGod]

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The article lost any integrity for me in the first para. A Yes vote by ICT would have delivered cash and probably promotion back to the premier. How does that second bit work?

Cos Hearts are dug*****?

[H18 SFR]

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She is panicking as Hearts are on the verge of administration or liquidation in my opinion

Can’t see it, just can’t see it for one millisecond.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Although I’m no sympathiser of the club, can I ask why you pick out Ross County? I think they’re a very well run club and their crowds compare well with the majority of mid-rank top flight sides. If I was singling out clubs who lack potential - if crowds are the main factor driving that view - Ross County wouldn’t be one of those clubs.

As it happens I agree. I think they are an example of a club who probably don't have the potential to be as big as Dunfermline or even a more successful Ayr Utd, but I would agree they are a well run club punching way above their weight, not only that but Dingwall is one of the better away days in the league IMO. I wouldn't grudge them a place in the premiership at all.

But that's kind of my point. I don't grudge anybody a place in the top league, I want it to be big enough to have room for well run clubs like County and yes even Hamilton, but also clubs with potential like Dunfermline. This is about improving the prospects for everybody.

But as others have pointed out and I can't disagree with them .... It probably wont happen because of the self interest and narrow point of view of too many clubs who will refuse to see the bigger picture as they quibble over losing few grand TV or prize money. In fact funnily enough the only club in the whole sorry mess who has willingly given anything up is Hibs by accepting 7th place, not to mention a potential 8000 away fans with the loss of the derby.

[The Harp Awakes]

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The article lost any integrity for me in the first para. A Yes vote by ICT would have delivered cash and probably promotion back to the premier. How does that second bit work?

I think theiy're meaning through league reconstruction which was the carrot the SPFL dangled for a Yes vote.

ICTs position on this does seem ropey. I'm not buying the we're the moral compass stuff when they were apparently in such a precarious financial position. Doesn't add up.

[Joe6-2]

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She is panicking as Hearts are on the verge of administration or liquidation in my opinion

Don’t you go getting my hopes up

[The 90+2]

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I think theiy're meaning through league reconstruction which was the carrot the SPFL dangled for a Yes vote.

ICTs position on this does seem ropey. I'm not buying the we're the moral compass stuff when they were apparently in such a precarious financial position. Doesn't add up.

Gardiner is a dyed in the wool hun who used to work for Hearts. Hearts proposal is the 14 team league which would include ICT. The **** he came out with on sportsound was exactly that - made up ***** to put pressure onto the SPFL board to ultimately get his own way (which will
Still never happen).

[SuperAllyMcleod]

The way I see this panning out there are 3 likely outcomes: -
1. The league eventually restarts from its current position.
2. The league is declared complete and the current positions are final.
3. The leagues are reconstructed.

I think 1 will only happen if there is no more football until January ( pre-season would almost bring us to a year since we stopped and easy to restart from there) - we can laugh at Hearts being bottom of the table for a record breaking time and there’s still a likelihood that they won’t beat the drop.

For 2 then we get to laugh at Hearts and they will forever have a sense of injustice to make it even funnier.

For 3 we can forever laugh at Hearts for only avoiding the drop through reconstruction which we will no doubt remind them of at every opportunity.

Whatever the outcome we get to laugh at them for years to come, although I do concede that some outcomes would be funnier than others.

So, in summary, relax and just keep laughing at them

[FilipinoHibs]

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The way I see this panning out there are 3 likely outcomes: -
1. The league eventually restarts from its current position.
2. The league is declared complete and the current positions are final.
3. The leagues are reconstructed.

I think 1 will only happen if there is no more football until January ( pre-season would almost bring us to a year since we stopped and easy to restart from there) - we can laugh at Hearts being bottom of the table for a record breaking time and there’s still a likelihood that they won’t beat the drop.

For 2 then we get to laugh at Hearts and they will forever have a sense of injustice to make it even funnier.

For 3 we can forever laugh at Hearts for only avoiding the drop through reconstruction which we will no doubt remind them of at every opportunity.

Whatever the outcome we get to laugh at them for years to come, although I do concede that some outcomes would be funnier than others.

So, in summary, relax and just keep laughing at them

Yes that is where I am, just let it unfold and laugh at the big huns and little huns. Made the lock down more bearable

[NAE NOOKIE]

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An alternative selfish way to look at reconstruction from a Hibs point of view is to see a permanent move to a 14 team league should ensure Hibs are never relegated again. We have in the past and it’s not too far fetched to think It could happen again where Hibs are relegated in a 12 team format.
Our worst ever team in my lifetime (42 years) went down in the current format and we were still just 10 seconds away from staying up that year, surely 14 teams is enough of a cushion for us to suffer the inevitable dips we will see in the quality of future Hibs teams and not suffer anything worse than a 10th/11th place finish.

In theory yes .... But this is Hibs we are talking about and we can always find a way

Probably the biggest advantage I can see for every club ( the Uglies notwithstanding who are never part of the equation ) is that even if you are relegated you have a very good chance of coming back up again in the system I have banged on about, with a possible 3 promotion spots available from the championship to the top league.

[cocteautwin]

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She is panicking as Hearts are on the verge of administration or liquidation in my opinion

I don't think HMFC are as impoverished as they'd like to make people think.

Budge still has £2.4m in her pocket for the repaid loan by FoH so one presume's she's put that back in to the club, temporarily at least. They did state they would be £1m short of income they were expecting but there has been no confirmation that the benefactor has stopped the payments and I'd assume they've put in £5m from the start of this season and will do for next season as well (going by how much HMFC are still spending, signing Boyce etc).

The recent statements and position of Budge were merely an attempt to offload the expensive losing team and an attempt to gather some sympathy (IMHO).

[FilipinoHibs]

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I don't think HMFC are as impoverished as they'd like to make people think.

Budge still has £2.4m in her pocket for the repaid loan by FoH so one presume's she's put that back in to the club, temporarily at least. They did state they would be £1m short of income they were expecting but there has been no confirmation that the benefactor has stopped the payments and I'd assume they've put in £5m from the start of this season and will do for next season as well (going by how much HMFC are still spending, signing Boyce etc).

The recent statements and position of Budge were merely an attempt to offload the expensive losing team and an attempt to gather some sympathy (IMHO).

Poster on here who knows Stuart Wallace (chair FOH). Says benefactor has gone - taken hit from stock market crash and Hearts well down the list of the beneficiaries of his donations. This might not be the real reason they can't be relied on but they have gone.

[cocteautwin]

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Poster on here who knows Stuart Wallace (chair FOH). Says benefactor has gone - taken hit from stock market crash and Hearts well down the list of the beneficiaries of his donations. This might not be the real reason they can't be relied on but they have gone.

The crash might have been used as a good excuse to bail after seeing what mountain of garbage his/her money has been spent on. I'd be raging if I gave the best part of £12-15m (including estimate for 19/20) and saw them crashing in to the Championship. If the benefactor has seriously disappeared for good it means HMFC are going to have an interesting funding gap to bridge in the next 15 months. We might even see HMFC having to live with just the cash generated from football operations for the first time in 30 years.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

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The crash might have been used as a good excuse to bail after seeing what mountain of garbage his/her money has been spent on. I'd be raging if I gave the best part of £12-15m (including estimate for 19/20) and saw them crashing in to the Championship. If the benefactor has seriously disappeared for good it means HMFC are going to have an interesting funding gap to bridge in the next 15 months. We might even see HMFC having to live with just the cash generated from football operations for the first time in 30 years.

Be interesting to see if the crop of youngsters they have coming through at the moment are as successful in the Championship as the last. I doubt it

[Aldo]

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Be interesting to see if the crop of youngsters they have coming through at the moment are as successful in the Championship as the last. I doubt it

Dannyboy did say that’s what they will be concentrating on moving forward. Mind you do I believe a word any of them say, Well No.


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