The generic Hearts thread

[Big_Franck]

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We are all Hibs but maybe LD is not quite all Hibs.

Couldn't agree more.

3 of us haven't renewed our STs yet. If we vote to save Hearts, or if we vote to extend the league to include more crap teams and less cat As on the season ticket, we won't be renewing.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Will the votes cast be made public ?

[Heisenberg]

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Will the votes cast be made public ?

They’ll definitely be leaked or clubs will announce how they’ve voted imo.

[Onion]

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Either call it now and hearts are down or wait and play all the games.
Thats the ONLY fair options.
Calling for reconstruction when they were certainties to go down is shocking.

IMO no football will be played in the UK for many, many month (models now show us heading for the highest death rate in Europe). If Scotland insist on playing these final games in Aug, Sept or Oct, current STs must apply, the majority of Hibs fans will see those home games for FREE and the club will get little extra income in for those games. This will simply draw out the financial pain for clubs, and potentially damage next season.

If next season is shortened or impacted through reconstruction then Hibs and other clubs club MUST reduce the price of season tickets including those they have already sold. On top of that, they'll have to renegortiate the new TV deal.

I've not heard of ANY fans looking for a part refund on their current season tickets. Clubs are not having to deal with that pressure, so to see them squirming around shirking the obvious decision is ridiculous. They all need to man up, call the league, stand up to Hearts, Sevco and UEFA and do the right and obvious thing.

[GreenCastle]

I still haven’t heard one person explain how the prize money would be given now but the final standings not confirmed ?

Do Hibs get 7th prize money but end up coming 4th then ?

If the big huns and wee huns could explain how this would work that would be useful.

Thanks

[Bostonhibby]

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Abstaining would be as bad as a no vote.

Yep, any Hibs board that doesn't vote to send the bottom team in the laegue down in the circumstances that exist loses my backing.

Hibs weren't talking reconstruction next season prior to this situation and they'd be complicit in a fix if they suddenly supported it now.



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[brog]

Just saw the KB stuff, amazing. They're actually still blaming St Mirren for Hawrts glorious failure 34 years ago! Apart from the obvious fact that their destiny was in their own hands, most people aren't aware that, thanks to Sir Albert, a 2 0 victory for Celtic was all they needed to win the league. In fact, despite an unbeaten run of about 300 games, watched by 400,000 every week, Hawrts actually had the worst GD out of the top 4 teams in the league. This was partly down to their poor start but mainly down to them somehow scraping by week after week. I think the Karma was on them!

[Brightside]

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Hibs should be very very careful they do not turn hibs fans against the club.

Hibs want Hearts in the league. Make no mistake on that.

[Since90+2]

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For the avoidance of doubt to our board ..

Send These Cheating BsStards DOWN

This.

I think the board will get a shock at the fans response if they don't vote to send Hearts down. The club will need every bit of goodwill from the support over the next few months - you can see goodbye to a chunk of that if they vote or abstain keeping those cheating ****s in the league.

[Since90+2]

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Hibs want Hearts in the league. Make no mistake on that.

Hibs as a club - yes. Hibs as a support? No.

The club should be very mindful of that.

[Lee Marvin]

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Yep what's more, this didn't need to be said.

LD could have kept quiet.

I see ST's grinding to a halt now. A bubble has been popped. It has simply cast a shadow on what seems a pretty clear solution to me. It could go as far as to drive a wedge between the board and the fans.

We are a simple bunch. We hate hearts. We love hibs.

This is an important point for me.

As others have said, LD did not have to make that statement. Whether she actually means she would potentially vote through reconstruction is up for debate. What is not up for debate is the fuel that has now been added to this fire in the minds of HIbs fans (as can clearly be seen on here since the announcement).

If this drags on a lot longer I for one can not possible buy my season ticket until it comes to a conclusion and I see which way Hibs vote (which I had every intention of doing over the next week or so).

Whilst I do believe they will eventually do the right thing for Hibs (sending the cheating, lying, dictatorship across the road to their grave), LD has dropped the ball big style with that statement.

[Peevemor]

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I agree. LD made a previous decision not to support an independent inquiry into the Sevco fiasco, which fans did not like.

If the Club goes against the will of the fans again this time I can see big trouble ahead.

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Hibs as a club - yes. Hibs as a support? No.

The club should be very mindful of that.

There are plenty of Hibs supporters who live for derby matches and want hearts in the league.

Hibs decision should be based on whaat's best for Hibs, regardless of the consequences for anyone else.

[Since90+2]

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There are plenty of Hibs supporters who live for derby matches and want hearts in the league.

Hibs decision should be based on whaat's best for Hibs, regardless of the consequences for anyone else.

I don't know one Hibs supporter who would rather Hearts weren't relegated. Not one. And I know a fair few.

The vast majority of Hibs fans will want Hearts relegated - absolutely no doubt. Look at the poll on this very site for an indication.

[CentreLine]

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Hibs should be very very careful they do not turn hibs fans against the club.

Is it really that much of a big deal? It seems to me there is no room for middle ground any more. It’s either over the top joy at the relegation of our greatest rivals or we all have to go to the other extreme and have a hatefest for our own club because they voted for something else. Thousands will not go back. The game’s screwed. We all have to hate our owner and board members. Any excuse really to have a pop at our own club?
Can we not just settle for being a wee bit disappointed and move on?

[Lee Marvin]

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There are plenty of Hibs supporters who live for derby matches and want hearts in the league.

Hibs decision should be based on whaat's best for Hibs, regardless of the consequences for anyone else.

I am sorry, this cannot be true.

If by plenty you mean c400-500 out of 100,000, then you may be right. Anything more I would suggest is patently nonesense when chosing whether to relegate them or not.

[GreenCastle]

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There are plenty of Hibs supporters who live for derby matches and want hearts in the league.

Hibs decision should be based on whaat's best for Hibs, regardless of the consequences for anyone else.

There is a difference about getting excited for a derby match and wanting Hibs to be the most successful team in Edinburgh.

Of course some will miss the derbies but majority want Hibs winning the Scottish Cup again and getting into Europe.

[Gloucester Hibs]

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There is a difference about getting excited for a derby match and wanting Hibs to be the most successful team in Edinburgh.

Of course some will miss the derbies but majority want Hibs winning the Scottish Cup again and getting into Europe.

Plus, we’ll get them in the cup so won’t even be missing out on a derby.

[Barney McGrew]

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Hibs want Hearts in the league. Make no mistake on that.

The whole plan Ron Gordon presented at the AGM was based on growth in our support, and having more and more Hibs fans at games. A successful Hibs team on the pitch would see more Hibs fans being able to attend a game against say Dundee United than against Hearts (assuming we still give them a whole stand). Having Hearts in the league potentially goes against what he says he wants to do.

[Joe6-2]

SSN getting on my thruppenies, continually repeating the rangers ‘statement’
Are they the only club in Scotland?

Edit: now adding budge into the mix

[mjhibby]

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She is absolutely 100% going to vote against.

It may be that over time and with considerable debate she/ we arrive at the same conclusion but for now it's a 'no' from hibs.

The worrying thing for me is that she seems open to league reconstruction. One, I dont want a larger league. Two I'm not having Hertz sneak out of this. That's the emotive way a football fan thinks. And I wont be alone in that by a long shot.

I don't think she's saying that at all. She is asking not to rush to a decision. Anyway Ron and Dave Cormack will ensure the proposal is passed. I'd be totally gobsmacked if the lower leagues don't pass it and the spl pass it then wait for the uefa meeting on Apr 23. Folk reading more into this than is there. She's friendly with budge. What do you expect her to be.

[Haymaker]

Send them down.

[mjhibby]

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I still haven’t heard one person explain how the prize money would be given now but the final standings not confirmed ?

Do Hibs get 7th prize money but end up coming 4th then ?

If the big huns and wee huns could explain how this would work that would be useful.

Thanks

That has baffled me too.

[mjhibby]

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I reckon 95% or more of Hibs fans are desperate to see Hearts relegated. That’s simply the mindset of any football fan but to what degree do football bosses care about schadenfreude? They think with their heads and not their hearts and, when push comes to shove, they will vote for what is in the best financial interests of their clubs. The tone of LD’s statement ( probably very much shaped by RG ), at first reading, suggests that our bosses favour a solution which would give Hearts a chance of Scottish Premiership survival but that does not mean it is in the forefront of their thoughts ( but I think a lot of Jambo fans will be heartened by her statement ). By towing the UEFA line, I suppose it could be argued that a resumption of league games would/could provide much-needed income and a chance of better prize money for our final league position. However, because of our strength of feeling about their fate, LD and RG are treading a dangerous path as far as fan harmony and relationships are concerned.
For what it’s worth, my opinion is that the the Corona virus epidemic will continue to rage for a long time yet and they will be forced to finally draw a line, declare the league finished and act accordingly. I think league reconstruction would be a step too far.

Not sure Ron is thinking that way. From what Dave Cormack was saying they are only looking at getting through the next few months without any money. It's the smaller clubs who will press for this vote to be passed if,as seems likely,there is no football for months. Too much being read it what seems a sensible statement by Dempster.

[AltheHibby]

From my reading of the article I see LD being diplomatic and not giving away our thoughts before the vote. And I think she goes that way by being pragmatic and wanting to think through the issues.

As a Hibs fan I want LD to say it serves the Duncans right and they should go down. As a football fan I want the right thing for football. And as an accountant I want whatever costs Hibs the least long term. That's probably 3 different outcomes.

Anyway, enough trying to be sensible.

Send the Duncans down.

[sean04]

Hearts are really struggling now, they have overspent and now are in deep trouble. What did hearts do when we were in deep trouble? Tried to wipe us out. Hibs need to stick the knife into these cheating b**tards

[SMAXXA]

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Hibs as a club - yes. Hibs as a support? No.

The club should be very mindful of that.

Hibs support is the club without us there isn’t a club

[we are hibs]

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Hibs want Hearts in the league. Make no mistake on that.

Why? Say the current structure remains we would have 1 home game v hearts before the split. There is no guarentee both sides would be in the same side of the split. How much would we make from one sell out that justifies losing potential renewals?

[GreenCastle]

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That has baffled me too.

Is there a flat fee given out then final standings given out ?

Again if someone could explain how that would work that would be useful.

[we are hibs]

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Is it really that much of a big deal? It seems to me there is no room for middle ground any more. It’s either over the top joy at the relegation of our greatest rivals or we all have to go to the other extreme and have a hatefest for our own club because they voted for something else. Thousands will not go back. The game’s screwed. We all have to hate our owner and board members. Any excuse really to have a pop at our own club?
Can we not just settle for being a wee bit disappointed and move on?

It is important because Hibs fans are sick to the back teeth of them getting away with murder every single time. If hibs are complicit in them remaining in the top flight then they will lose a lot of support and it will be a black cloud on Ron Gordon's entire reign. Dempster seems very much of the "lets sweep it all under the carpet and move on" mould every time a big decision needs to be made. I would find it extremely difficult to support a club who continually ignores its own fans on big issues.

[steviehibsleith]

Can someone set up a Poll to gauge accurately what we as Fans would vote

It know exactly what my vote is League as it is, hearts relagated

The Poll reflecting the immediate termination of Season 2019/20 for the Ladbrokes Championship, League 1 and League 2, without the remaining fixtures in the League being played;
all play-off competitions being cancelled; and
final season placings to be determined by the number of points per game earned by each club in the matches they have played. This would result in the following final divisional tables for Season 2019/20 in the Ladbrokes Championship, League 1 and League 2: