The generic Hearts thread

[Joe6-2]

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She is absolutely 100% going to vote against.

It may be that over time and with considerable debate she/ we arrive at the same conclusion but for now it's a 'no' from hibs.

The worrying thing for me is that she seems open to league reconstruction. One, I dont want a larger league. Two I'm not having Hertz sneak out of this. That's the emotive way a football fan thinks. And I wont be alone in that by a long shot.

You certainly are not alone, I really hope LD reads .net

[Danderhall Hibs]

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She is absolutely 100% going to vote against.

It may be that over time and with considerable debate she/ we arrive at the same conclusion but for now it's a 'no' from hibs.

The worrying thing for me is that she seems open to league reconstruction. One, I dont want a larger league. Two I'm not having Hertz sneak out of this. That's the emotive way a football fan thinks. And I wont be alone in that by a long shot.

Funny how we can get almost opposite views after reading the same words.

If I was to take a guess at our vote it could be an abstain - but nowhere in there did I see she’d be a definite no, not did I see her rushing towards league reconstruction- she’s asking for a bit calm and time to consider cos “sometimes a quick decision is a bad decision”

[Joe6-2]

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Funny how we can get almost opposite views after reading the same words.

If I was to take a guess at our vote it could be an abstain - but nowhere in there did I see she’d be a definite no, not did I see her rushing towards league reconstruction- she’s asking for a bit calm and time to consider cos “sometimes a quick decision is a bad decision”

Hardly having to make a quick decision, we have all been aware for long enough now that some sort of choice would have to be made

[The 90+2]

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Looks like the key is ICT, Dundee and Ayr. If they vote for it Hearts are down. They are losing out on play off spots but what is the alternative that helps them?
Partick will vote against, they need two more from that league to help them.


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Dundee should really remember how Hearts went into admin right after the season ended, relegating them by clearly cheating knowing fine well it was happening for months to avoid a 15 point fine.

Was that right Budgie?

[SMAXXA]

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She is absolutely 100% going to vote against.

It may be that over time and with considerable debate she/ we arrive at the conclusion but for now it's a 'no' from hibs.

The worrying thing for me is that she seems open to league reconstruction. One, I dont want a larger league. Two I'm not having Hertz sneak out of this. That's the emotive way a football fan thinks. And I wont be alone in that by a long shot.

I’m a bit like you I’m no fussed for a bigger league, I’d rather lose Hamilton or ross county for both Dundee teams than have the status quo and teams like ICT and Ayr, would add nothin to the league for me jus more half empty stadiums when they come to visit and the novelty value of going to their grounds would wear off after a season.

[The 90+2]

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Hardly having to make a quick decision, we have all been aware for long enough now that some sort of choice would have to be made

And the “quick decision” doesn’t effect the top league as of yet. Hibernian better vote this through yes. How the fk does reconstruction help us at all?

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Hardly having to make a quick decision, we have all been aware for long enough now that some sort of choice would have to be made

We have but it sounds like these conference calls have only been taking place recently and don’t last for long enough.

According to LD in the article.

[matty_f]

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Funny how we can get almost opposite views after reading the same words.

If I was to take a guess at our vote it could be an abstain - but nowhere in there did I see she’d be a definite no, not did I see her rushing towards league reconstruction- she’s asking for a bit calm and time to consider cos “sometimes a quick decision is a bad decision”

[we are hibs]

Abstaining would be as bad as a no vote.

[Springbank]

Ann Budge!
Wallace Mercer!
Self Sufficient Southern!
Gary Locke!
Barney Battles!
Vladimir Romanov!
Lord George Foulkes!

Your boys took one helluva beating

[Springbank]

For the avoidance of doubt to our board ..

Send These Cheating BsStards DOWN

[007]

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https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/leeann-dempster-hibs-are-happy-wait-calling-league-we-must-all-stay-calm-2533749

Saved by the Hibees, you were saved by the Hibees.
Saved by the Hibees, you were saved by the Hibees.

[The 90+2]

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Abstaining would be as bad as a no vote.

Yep. Scandalous.

[RoYO!]

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Funny how we can get almost opposite views after reading the same words.

If I was to take a guess at our vote it could be an abstain - but nowhere in there did I see she’d be a definite no, not did I see her rushing towards league reconstruction- she’s asking for a bit calm and time to consider cos “sometimes a quick decision is a bad decision”

She came out and said no rush decisions, not had enough time etc. That says to me that she will vote no to the current proposal. Once sufficient time has passed this stance may well change. But right now, if voting tomorrow, it's a no.

The forward/ creative thinking lines were testing the water/ readying fans for the fact that hibs may well vote for league reconstruction. It floats the idea. I can't see how it possibly benefits hibs.

[Gmack7]

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Abstaining would be as bad as a no vote.

it's effectively a no vote

[munchar]

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She came out and said no rush decisions, not had enough time etc. That says to me that she will vote no to the current proposal. Once sufficient time has passed this stance may well change. But right now, if voting tomorrow, it's a no.

The forward/ creative thinking lines were testing the water/ readying fans for the fact that hibs may well vote for league reconstruction. It floats the idea. I can't see how it possibly benefits hibs.

The board should think long and hard about what the supporters would want. We have watched for decades, these cheating barstewards try to buy success, & we are the ones who’ve had to endure years of misery at their hands with their cheating dominance of us. We only want what’s fair. Reconstruction does not benefit anyone but Hearts. Time to let them live in the real world, living within their means. Saving them could come back and haunt us, & give them the cash injection th flourish! Down they must go!!!

[The Harp Awakes]

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F O Hibs!!

We are all Hibs but maybe LD is not quite all Hibs.

[Hibs4185]

I’ve supported LD on this forum when she was getting a little bit of abuse when hecky was here. I think she has done a terrific job and we are lucky to have her, but....

if she votes to save hearts in any way, shape or form, she will have lost any confidence I have in her.

Can we get a poll on here so we can make it abundantly clear to LD and KP exactly what the fans think.

I understand the reasoning behind voting no and the commercial benefits to the club in finishing the league. I am willing to sacrifice these in order to give hearts exactly what they deserve. Especially after all the years of their financial doping and failing to learn a single lesson.

If LD votes against the fans wishes, it could very well be her undoing.

KP if there is a clear majority of fans wanting LD to vote in favour of these plans can you communicate this to the board?

[Jim44]

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Hardly having to make a quick decision, we have all been aware for long enough now that some sort of choice would have to be made

I reckon 95% or more of Hibs fans are desperate to see Hearts relegated. That’s simply the mindset of any football fan but to what degree do football bosses care about schadenfreude? They think with their heads and not their hearts and, when push comes to shove, they will vote for what is in the best financial interests of their clubs. The tone of LD’s statement ( probably very much shaped by RG ), at first reading, suggests that our bosses favour a solution which would give Hearts a chance of Scottish Premiership survival but that does not mean it is in the forefront of their thoughts ( but I think a lot of Jambo fans will be heartened by her statement ). By towing the UEFA line, I suppose it could be argued that a resumption of league games would/could provide much-needed income and a chance of better prize money for our final league position. However, because of our strength of feeling about their fate, LD and RG are treading a dangerous path as far as fan harmony and relationships are concerned.
For what it’s worth, my opinion is that the the Corona virus epidemic will continue to rage for a long time yet and they will be forced to finally draw a line, declare the league finished and act accordingly. I think league reconstruction would be a step too far.

[Real Emerald]

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The board should think long and hard about what the supporters would want. We have watched for decades, these cheating barstewards try to buy success, & we are the ones who’ve had to endure years of misery at their hands with their cheating dominance of us. We only want what’s fair. Reconstruction does not benefit anyone but Hearts. Time to let them live in the real world, living within their means. Saving them could come back and haunt us, & give them the cash injection th flourish! Down they must go!!!

Spot on mate, we can’t restructure the whole league system to save them and if they do I’m finished with it and next years ST will be going back. They don’t even stop with the cheating and overspending, they then have to brag about how big they are, natural order etc. If we save them after the season they’ve had and the way they’ve treated their players, I’m out. They would have had a party if they’d got a result v St Mirren and Budge would have been campaigning to leave the league set up as it is. Utter desperation. 😡

[147lothian]

After carefull consideration we have to make the league positions stand and send them down, I hope this is what transpires anything else is going to leave a very bitter taste.

[RoYO!]

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I reckon 95% or more of Hibs fans are desperate to see Hearts relegated. That’s simply the mindset of any football fan but to what degree do football bosses care about schadenfreude? They think with their heads and not their hearts and, when push comes to shove, they will vote for what is in the best financial interests of their clubs. The tone of LD’s statement ( probably very much shaped by RG ), at first reading, suggests that our bosses favour a solution which would give Hearts a chance of Scottish Premiership survival but that does not mean it is in the forefront of their thoughts ( but I think a lot of Jambo fans will be heartened by her statement ). By towing the UEFA line, I suppose it could be argued that a resumption of league games would/could provide much-needed income and a chance of better prize money for our final league position. However, because of our strength of feeling about their fate, LD and RG are treading a dangerous path as far as fan harmony and relationships are concerned.
For what it’s worth, my opinion is that the the Corona virus epidemic will continue to rage for a long time yet and they will be forced to finally draw a line, declare the league finished and act accordingly. I think league reconstruction would be a step too far.

I think that's a fair assessment Jim.

I for one want hibs to be considered Edinburgh's premier team. Only show in town. And any time we do get drawn against hearts I want us to absolutely do them. That's football.

The benefit that comes from a weak hearts, toiling in lower divisions, to hibs is clear. Feel good factor, upturn in support a growing fan base, money money money, strengthening or on field performance. With that comes Europe regularly. And so the happy cycle continues.

And if you're in doubt, ask Celtic what it was like having their nearest and dearest rivals out the league for a while! Their model is now one of domination of their rivals (and the rest for that matter).

Sending hearts down can absolutely generate us income. To the same measure, pandering to them could have wide ranging repercussions.

[Ozyhibby]

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I’ve supported LD on this forum when she was getting a little bit of abuse when hecky was here. I think she has done a terrific job and we are lucky to have her, but....

if she votes to save hearts in any way, shape or form, she will have lost any confidence I have in her.

Can we get a poll on here so we can make it abundantly clear to LD and KP exactly what the fans think.

I understand the reasoning behind voting no and the commercial benefits to the club in finishing the league. I am willing to sacrifice these in order to give hearts exactly what they deserve. Especially after all the years of their financial doping and failing to learn a single lesson.

If LD votes against the fans wishes, it could very well be her undoing.

KP if there is a clear majority of fans wanting LD to vote in favour of these plans can you communicate this to the board?

If the club vote to save Hearts the poll will be on whether Gordon and Dempster need forced out or not.
Season ticket sales will be non existent if they make such a stupid decision on Friday.


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[RoYO!]

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Spot on mate, we can’t restructure the whole league system to save them and if they do I’m finished with it and next years ST will be going back. They don’t even stop with the cheating and overspending, they then have to brag about how big they are, natural order etc. If we save them after the season they’ve had and the way they’ve treated their players, I’m out. They would have had a party if they’d got a result v St Mirren and Budge would have been campaigning to leave the league set up as it is. Utter desperation. 😡

Yep what's more, this didn't need to be said.

LD could have kept quiet.

I see ST's grinding to a halt now. A bubble has been popped. It has simply cast a shadow on what seems a pretty clear solution to me. It could go as far as to drive a wedge between the board and the fans.

We are a simple bunch. We hate hearts. We love hibs.

[munchar]

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Spot on mate, we can’t restructure the whole league system to save them and if they do I’m finished with it and next years ST will be going back. They don’t even stop with the cheating and overspending, they then have to brag about how big they are, natural order etc. If we save them after the season they’ve had and the way they’ve treated their players, I’m out. They would have had a party if they’d got a result v St Mirren and Budge would have been campaigning to leave the league set up as it is. Utter desperation. 😡

We are as close to finishing 11th as we are of finishing 3rd. Defeat to St.Johnstone would probably see us in bottom 6, & we could easily lose enough games to finish in play of spot. With the clubs best interests at Heart, we have to vote finish now. All clubs should vote for whatever suits them. Hearts obviously clutching at straws. Rangers just so as Celtics 9 in a row is questionable. Aberdeen have Motherwell in their sights, but I think they’ll call euro placings on league positions, so why any other club will vote no, I can’t understand. Hypothetically, Hearts could still be safe, win Scottish cup & be in Europe!!

[The Harp Awakes]

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If the club vote to save Hearts the poll will be on whether Gordon and Dempster need forced out or not.
Season ticket sales will be non existent if they make such a stupid decision on Friday.


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I agree. LD made a previous decision not to support an independent inquiry into the Sevco fiasco, which fans did not like.

If the Club goes against the will of the fans again this time I can see big trouble ahead.

[Ozyhibby]

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I agree. LD made a previous decision not to support an independent inquiry into the Sevco fiasco, which fans did not like.

If the Club goes against the will of the fans again this time I can see big trouble ahead.

She got a free pass that time because most fans had not followed the issues. I doubt she would be so lucky again.


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[Real Emerald]

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We are as close to finishing 11th as we are of finishing 3rd. Defeat to St.Johnstone would probably see us in bottom 6, & we could easily lose enough games to finish in play of spot. With the clubs best interests at Heart, we have to vote finish now. All clubs should vote for whatever suits them. Hearts obviously clutching at straws. Rangers just so as Celtics 9 in a row is questionable. Aberdeen have Motherwell in their sights, but I think they’ll call euro placings on league positions, so why any other club will vote no, I can’t understand. Hypothetically, Hearts could still be safe, win Scottish cup & be in Europe!!

If we were in their position we would take the exact same view as them and hope for league reconstruction but their league record is horrendous, there is no case to be made statistically to give them any hope of survival. They have again overspent spectacularly and in the process still managed a dig at our manager when they appointed Stendel, who still hasn’t managed a win against a bottom six side. They then basically try to blackmail their players without even missing one chaffing home match to accept a 50% cut or be sacked. There are no words to describe there desperation and sleekitness. We HAVE to do the right thing here.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Abstaining would be as bad as a no vote.

I reckon there’ll be a few clubs working to get the vote delayed so no one rushes in to a decision.

The option on the table is the one that pisses off the least number of clubs, the fairest option is finishing the season. Obviously it doesn’t look likely that can be done but some clubs are panicking so they can get the prize money while others are on a safer footing and willing to give it a few more weeks before diving in 2 footed.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

So budge thinks that the rangers suggestion of prize money is sensible. I haven't seen that they suggested a fair share split so based on standings.

She's happy to take the prize money for finishing bottom but not happy to take the position?