Coronavirus

[Pretty Boy]

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I stand corrected.

I'm sure I'd heard that the common cold was a coronavirus early on in this outbreak, but that must have been wrong - or rather, only about 15% accurate (thank you wikipedia).

Rhinoviruses are the most common cause of a cold. A few coronavirusese cause it as well but it's less common.

According to Wiki (I know, I know) 4 types of Coronavirus cause the cold. 1 causes SARS, 1 MERS and now one causes Covid-19 (a subdivision of the same virus that causes SARS).

[Hibrandenburg]

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Andrew aside (I just chucked him in there as an overstatement), will we gain more through crucifixion or redemption of Charles, Boris or Tim?

Redemption only works if the person in question is self aware of their failings and seek redemption, I don't think the people you've listed believe they've done anything wrong. Calderwood who has resigned, would appear to have at least realised the consequences of her actions postea.

[I'm_cabbaged]

PM has been admitted to hospital for further tests. You think he’ll be in nightingale? 🤷

[lapsedhibee]

Dominic Cummings has been at the heart of the government's policymaking (or, rather, sloganeering).
His mother's brother has died with Covid-19.
It's impossible to know whether there's any connection between these two facts.

[Caversham Green]

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Redemption only works if the person in question is self aware of their failings and seek redemption, I don't think the people you've listed believe they've done anything wrong. Calderwood who has resigned, would appear to have at least realised the consequences of her actions postea.

She hadn't resigned at the time of your first post about redemption/crucifixion though.

[overdrive]

A few things I observed on Saturday. We went to Lidl in the Kirkgate but they would only let one person from a couple in so I waited outside. There was a dog tied to the steps that’s go up to the community centre. The amount of people who went up to it and played with it surprised me. It could be carrying Coronavirus on it.

There were also two jakey looking guys wandering around wearing industrial face masks. Obviously taking it seriously with the face masks, I thought. Then one of them looked in the cigarette stub bit of a bin for a part smoked cigarette to smoke. Kind of defeats the purpose of the mask if you’re willing to do that!

[Craig_HFC]

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I stand corrected.

I'm sure I'd heard that the common cold was a coronavirus early on in this outbreak, but that must have been wrong - or rather, only about 15% accurate (thank you wikipedia).

Jason Leitch, Scotland's National Clinical Director, said this on Off the Ball about 3 weeks ago.

He also said that there are hundreds of coronaviruses and that this one is called Covid-19 because it was discovered in 2019, not because it's the 19th coronavirus.

[Hibrandenburg]

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She hadn't resigned at the time of your first post about redemption/crucifixion though.

She had made a public apology though, the resignation is just confirmation she's accepted her mistake (error of judgement, gaff, blunder).

[TheReg!]

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A few things I observed on Saturday. We went to Lidl in the Kirkgate but they would only let one person from a couple in so I waited outside. There was a dog tied to the steps that’s go up to the community centre. The amount of people who went up to it and played with it surprised me. It could be carrying Coronavirus on it.

There were also two jakey looking guys wandering around wearing industrial face masks. Obviously taking it seriously with the face masks, I thought. Then one of them looked in the cigarette stub bit of a bin for a part smoked cigarette to smoke. Kind of defeats the purpose of the mask if you’re willing to do that!

There is no evidence that dogs can carry Covid-19. There’s been a few incidents of people abandoning pets because of bad information however, a big cat in New York has caught the disease, cats are susceptible though, dogs are not.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Jason Leitch, Scotland's National Clinical Director, said this on Off the Ball about 3 weeks ago.

He also said that there are hundreds of coronaviruses and that this one is called Covid-19 because it was discovered in 2019, not because it's the 19th coronavirus.

Apparently, for complete technical correctness the virus should be referred to as SARS-CoV-2 and the illness it causes is COVID-19.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nical-features

[Pretty Boy]

A report out today suggesting about 30% of those aged 25 or under have either lost their jobs or been furloughed in the last couple of weeks. That doesn't include part time workers. That's quite a sobering figure when it comes to understanding the economic impact.

[JeMeSouviens]

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There is no evidence that dogs can carry Covid-19. There’s been a few incidents of people abandoning pets because of bad information however, a big cat in New York has caught the disease, cats are susceptible though, dogs are not.

Dogs don't get the virus in their respiratory systems but I think it can "survive"* on their fur, like other surfaces, for a certain length of time.


* https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...es-alive-2004/ is interesting on whether viruses should be thought of as "alive" or not.

[Hibby Bairn]

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A report out today suggesting about 30% of those aged 25 or under have either lost their jobs or been furloughed in the last couple of weeks. That doesn't include part time workers. That's quite a sobering figure when it comes to understanding the economic impact.

I have 3 in that age category. One (PT) has been furloughed on full pay. One is on full pay but not yet set up for working from home (but is at home) The other is self employed and earnings have dropped 90% but because only set up in the past 12 months doesn’t qualify for any govt. support.

[Ozyhibby]

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I have 3 in that age category. One (PT) has been furloughed on full pay. One is on full pay but not yet set up for working from home (but is at home) The other is self employed and earnings have dropped 90% but because only set up in the past 12 months doesn’t qualify for any govt. support.

There are a lot of people who don’t qualify for any govt support. If govt want the lockdown to last they will have to start addressing this.
I’m also not sure how they will end the furlough scheme? The minute the govt support ends, a lot of these people currently furloughed will be made redundant as demand in the economy has now collapsed as well. We could be looking at 20-30% unemployment. Once the health crisis is over, people will be looking for solutions to the economic crisis and they will punish the govt if they don’t have those solutions.


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[overdrive]

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Dogs don't get the virus in their respiratory systems but I think it can "survive"* on their fur, like other surfaces, for a certain length of time.


* https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...es-alive-2004/ is interesting on whether viruses should be thought of as "alive" or not.

Yep, this is what I was meaning. The dog could have had it lingering on their fur, on their lead, on their jacket thingy, etc.

[Smartie]

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There are a lot of people who don’t qualify for any govt support. If govt want the lockdown to last they will have to start addressing this.
I’m also not sure how they will end the furlough scheme? The minute the govt support ends, a lot of these people currently furloughed will be made redundant as demand in the economy has now collapsed as well. We could be looking at 20-30% unemployment. Once the health crisis is over, people will be looking for solutions to the economic crisis and they will punish the govt if they don’t have those solutions.


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For now it has. What effect there is on demand will depend on how long this goes on for and what the government does to stimulate us out of this.

There is a chance that as we emerge, "demand" will rocket for just about everything. It won't be enough to make up for the downturn and the loss of activity but it will help.

Low interest rates, low tax rates and helicopter money would all help.

Dropping a load of cash onto median earners and encouraging them to spend - filtering it out from there would work, helping the poor and the much richer and getting us going again.

Hopefully the Tories will resist the temptation to go "trickle down" but equally they can't panic too much about the debt that's been incurred and stifle any recovery by raising taxes too high too soon.

It's unavoidable that we're going to be paying for this for a while.

[Sir David Gray]

More positive news from Spain. Lowest number of deaths and new cases in any 24 hour period for 2 weeks.

Hopefully they're finally seeing some light at the end of their very long tunnel.

[Bostonhibby]

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A report out today suggesting about 30% of those aged 25 or under have either lost their jobs or been furloughed in the last couple of weeks. That doesn't include part time workers. That's quite a sobering figure when it comes to understanding the economic impact.

A sobering thought when you consider that when whatever constitutes normality returns not many businesses will be straight back to normal operating level, and crucially turnover and profitability so it's unlikely all staff will be needed, or affordable straight away.

In what I consider my immediate family of a group of 17 we have 3 self employed doing, and earning very little, 2 essential workers and 12 furloughed.



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[Pretty Boy]

Taking the thread off topic a bit I have what I think could be a problem.

I'm friends with the deputy manager of my daughters nursery on Facebook. She's always posted stuff that is a bit off the wall but over the last few days it's become a bit sinister. She's pushing the '5G causes coronavirus' line and is linking to articles by David Icke. Wrong but no real issue, I read some weird stuff when I'm bored. However she has since started sharing anti vaccine posts, encouraging people not to vaccinate children, sharing claims about vaccines poisoning children and suggesting the virus is just a front to force further vaccination on parents. Further she is making claims that 'viruses don't spread between people'. Given she is in a management position in a nursery and regularly informs us about outbreaks of chickenpox, Noravirus and so on that seems an odd claim.

Usually I just let the anti vaxx idiots gets on with it but when the person making these claims, particularly about the spread of viruses, is in a position that requires knowledge of infection control in an environment that impacts my child I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it.

I'm not sure there's anything I can really do about it but I find it a bit unsettling.

[H18 SFR]

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Taking the thread off topic a bit I have what I think could be a problem.

I'm friends with the deputy manager of my daughters nursery on Facebook. She's always posted stuff that is a bit off the wall but over the last few days it's become a bit sinister. She's pushing the '5G causes coronavirus' line and is linking to articles by David Icke. Wrong but no real issue, I read some weird stuff when I'm bored. However she has since started sharing anti vaccine posts, encouraging people not to vaccinate children, sharing claims about vaccines poisoning children and suggesting the virus is just a front to force further vaccination on parents. Further she is making claims that 'viruses don't spread between people'. Given she is in a management position in a nursery and regularly informs us about outbreaks of chickenpox, Noravirus and so on that seems an odd claim.

Usually I just let the anti vaxx idiots gets on with it but when the person making these claims, particularly about the spread of viruses, is in a position that requires knowledge of infection control in an environment that impacts my child I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it.

I'm not sure there's anything I can really do about it but I find it a bit unsettling.

Message her privately and call out her behaviour.

Secondly, advise the care commission/inspectorate. If your conscience won’t allow that. Send it to me and I will do that.

[Smartie]

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Taking the thread off topic a bit I have what I think could be a problem.

I'm friends with the deputy manager of my daughters nursery on Facebook. She's always posted stuff that is a bit off the wall but over the last few days it's become a bit sinister. She's pushing the '5G causes coronavirus' line and is linking to articles by David Icke. Wrong but no real issue, I read some weird stuff when I'm bored. However she has since started sharing anti vaccine posts, encouraging people not to vaccinate children, sharing claims about vaccines poisoning children and suggesting the virus is just a front to force further vaccination on parents. Further she is making claims that 'viruses don't spread between people'. Given she is in a management position in a nursery and regularly informs us about outbreaks of chickenpox, Noravirus and so on that seems an odd claim.

Usually I just let the anti vaxx idiots gets on with it but when the person making these claims, particularly about the spread of viruses, is in a position that requires knowledge of infection control in an environment that impacts my child I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it.

I'm not sure there's anything I can really do about it but I find it a bit unsettling.

DEPUTY manager?

The manager needs to know. Or if it is not the same person, the owner of the nursery.

It may be that the dissemination of this information fits neatly within the values of the nursery - I somehow doubt it though.

My profession are very big on how we behave online and the information we circulate - the highest person in the UK profession stated during a webinar last Friday that she had reported someone to our regulator for maliciously spreading "fake news" on Facebook. This has largely been interpreted as being a bit over the top (different science has different levels of validity and clinicians should have a certain amount of freedom to pick their way through it and make up their own minds) but it just lets you see how seriously some people can take stuff like this.

This person is in a position of power and authority. Whilst some might say (certainly not I) that her opinions hold merit, she needs to be very careful indeed with who she can influence with this opinion.

Personally I think you have a moral obligation to "grass" on this occasion as her actions have the potential to cause huge harm, and it needs nipped in the bud asap - especially if she has a captive audience of clients like yourself who might be influenced.

[hibee_girl]

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Taking the thread off topic a bit I have what I think could be a problem.

I'm friends with the deputy manager of my daughters nursery on Facebook. She's always posted stuff that is a bit off the wall but over the last few days it's become a bit sinister. She's pushing the '5G causes coronavirus' line and is linking to articles by David Icke. Wrong but no real issue, I read some weird stuff when I'm bored. However she has since started sharing anti vaccine posts, encouraging people not to vaccinate children, sharing claims about vaccines poisoning children and suggesting the virus is just a front to force further vaccination on parents. Further she is making claims that 'viruses don't spread between people'. Given she is in a management position in a nursery and regularly informs us about outbreaks of chickenpox, Noravirus and so on that seems an odd claim.

Usually I just let the anti vaxx idiots gets on with it but when the person making these claims, particularly about the spread of viruses, is in a position that requires knowledge of infection control in an environment that impacts my child I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it.

I'm not sure there's anything I can really do about it but I find it a bit unsettling.

If you’re not happy about it you can contact the care commission. They’ll take your issue seriously.

[TheReg!]

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Dogs don't get the virus in their respiratory systems but I think it can "survive"* on their fur, like other surfaces, for a certain length of time.


* https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...es-alive-2004/ is interesting on whether viruses should be thought of as "alive" or not.

I get that but some people will over react and twist that information. Pretty much all surfaces can harbour the virus. If we start shouting from the roof tops that dogs spread the virus then people will do and say stupid things. The government guidelines is to wash your hands after coming in contact with dogs, it’s the same guidelines as touching surfaces when your out and about.

[RyeSloan]

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Taking the thread off topic a bit I have what I think could be a problem.

I'm friends with the deputy manager of my daughters nursery on Facebook. She's always posted stuff that is a bit off the wall but over the last few days it's become a bit sinister. She's pushing the '5G causes coronavirus' line and is linking to articles by David Icke. Wrong but no real issue, I read some weird stuff when I'm bored. However she has since started sharing anti vaccine posts, encouraging people not to vaccinate children, sharing claims about vaccines poisoning children and suggesting the virus is just a front to force further vaccination on parents. Further she is making claims that 'viruses don't spread between people'. Given she is in a management position in a nursery and regularly informs us about outbreaks of chickenpox, Noravirus and so on that seems an odd claim.

Usually I just let the anti vaxx idiots gets on with it but when the person making these claims, particularly about the spread of viruses, is in a position that requires knowledge of infection control in an environment that impacts my child I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it.

I'm not sure there's anything I can really do about it but I find it a bit unsettling.

This is dangerous misinformation.

Her contract of employment will almost certainly have a ‘social media’ clause.

She’s risking being sacked by posting what she has if anyone happens to inform her employer.

[Barney McGrew]

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Taking the thread off topic a bit I have what I think could be a problem.

I'm friends with the deputy manager of my daughters nursery on Facebook. She's always posted stuff that is a bit off the wall but over the last few days it's become a bit sinister. She's pushing the '5G causes coronavirus' line and is linking to articles by David Icke. Wrong but no real issue, I read some weird stuff when I'm bored. However she has since started sharing anti vaccine posts, encouraging people not to vaccinate children, sharing claims about vaccines poisoning children and suggesting the virus is just a front to force further vaccination on parents. Further she is making claims that 'viruses don't spread between people'. Given she is in a management position in a nursery and regularly informs us about outbreaks of chickenpox, Noravirus and so on that seems an odd claim.

Usually I just let the anti vaxx idiots gets on with it but when the person making these claims, particularly about the spread of viruses, is in a position that requires knowledge of infection control in an environment that impacts my child I'm not sure I'm comfortable with it.

I'm not sure there's anything I can really do about it but I find it a bit unsettling.

Thtas the problem with social media - it allows people to put across their agenda without a semblance of any medical evidence and present it as fact. It’s especially harmful when those people are in a position where they can influence others.

[Hibby Bairn]

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More positive news from Spain. Lowest number of deaths and new cases in any 24 hour period for 2 weeks.

Hopefully they're finally seeing some light at the end of their very long tunnel.

Great news. And I see the discussion has moved on to also include “what next”?

[lord bunberry]

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Message her privately and call out her behaviour.

Secondly, advise the care commission/inspectorate. If your conscience won’t allow that. Send it to me and I will do that.

That’s what I would do. Let her know in no uncertain terms about how reckless she’s being and that if it isn’t all deleted you’re going to report her to the care commission. Hopefully it’s just the lockdown that’s clouding her judgement.

[hibsbollah]

You should get her to listen to this, vital work on sequencing the covid genome is going on as we speak.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/39J...Tb-c92bVfIW6Ow

The bad news is it will take 'a miracle' if it's in production this year.

[H18 SFR]

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That’s what I would do. Let her know in no uncertain terms about how reckless she’s being and that if it isn’t all deleted you’re going to report her to the care commission. Hopefully it’s just the lockdown that’s clouding her judgement.

In a previous secondment role I dealt with this kind of thing relating to Uni’s and schools. More than happy to be the person who engages with the care commission.

[Hibby Bairn]

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You should get her to listen to this, vital work on sequencing the covid genome is going on as we speak.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/39J...Tb-c92bVfIW6Ow

Excellent. I’ll listen to this today. Good to see the thread back on track 😀