The generic Hearts thread

[TheGreenMan]

Imagine the plaudits she'd get if she had the grace to accept whatever the final outcome is given the circumstances. Instead she's scrambling to patch the hole in the boat when it's already sunk in terms of her financial mismanagement and now blaming players.

[The 90+2]

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Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teams

Also they don’t have investors yet no question asked about this mystery benefactor that tops them up every single year.

[The 90+2]

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It sure is. Shame the guys in the studio can’t ask her questions, like they did with the Aberdeen chairman

It’s been conducted by her pal McGlaughlin.

[Bostonhibby]

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Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teams

Cringeworthy, the poor woman can't realise how she sounds, surely.

However she was setting it all up they just couldn't sustain it immediately the games stopped. Only ever a few games away from her business "model" collapsing.

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[tamig]

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Not sure what he means there. Is he pushing for no relegation for teams?

And is the word reward or award?

[munchar]

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Also they don’t have investors yet no question asked about this mystery benefactor that tops them up every single year.

What is this mystery benefactors role? Do they not need to show in their accounts where money’s coming from, & is it taxable? Also, is it a gift or repayable?

[greenpaper55]

Aberdeen chairman on BBC Scotland website said today "Cormack believes if Scottish football does not resume until late July or early August, there will be no "choice but to call the league" as it stands."
Yaaaas

[Kato]

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Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teams

Let's see. It'll be because that's the contracts they chose to negotiate.

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[The 90+2]

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What is this mystery benefactors role? Do they not need to show in their accounts where money’s coming from, & is it taxable? Also, is it a gift or repayable?

I think they have to show it on the accounts as gifts to the club but don’t reveal who it is. Yet they start crying about wage cuts instead of deferrals because they have no investors. They have something much more beneficial than investors.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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Let’s not forget the digs she’s having at us in there. Mentioning clubs with wealthy owners and basically saying the FOH model restricts their ability to invest.

She truly is clueless and has wasted £30 million in the last 5 years. What a calamity.

We dont have a rich owner though just a wealthy majority shareholder. On the other hand they actually do have a rich owner and will soon have thousands of skint ones.

[Bostonhibby]

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We dont have a rich owner though just a wealthy majority shareholder. On the other hand they actually do have a rich owner and will soon have thousands of skint ones.

It's hard to disagree with any of that since it's 100% correct.

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[mjhibby]

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Can we just clarify now that we dont need to hear "i dont care..theres more important things right now" when Hearts are confirmed as relegated. Yes there is more important things but that does not mean we cannot have a serious laugh at them going down. Their support in general are arrogant, deluded thickos and deserve nothing less than trips to Alloa and Arbroath in freezing cold January. I hope they stay down there for years.

Bit harsh there are you not...




Just at a couple of years should be fine. They will still be arrogant,blinkered,brainwashed and incapable of discussing football but they are still our nearest rivals. My god they will be moaning that will be not be able to increase the gap in derby wins. Don't laugh you know they will mention it. I'll wait till relegation is confirmed before having a celebration tipple

[mjhibby]

And yes there are far more important things like making sure the whole shambles of a way this has been handled on all fronts has been learned from and for once making sure all the horrendous hubris and total ineptitude is avoided. Possibly for the holy ground but the more we find out about the govts handling of this the more angrier I get. Be safe.

[PatHead]

[QUOTE=mjhibby;6134613]Bit harsh there are you not...




Just at a couple of years should be fine. They will still be arrogant,blinkered,brainwashed and incapable of discussing football but they are still our nearest rivals. My god they will be moaning that will be not be able to increase the gap in derby wins. Don't laugh you know they will mention it. I'll wait till relegation is confirmed before having a celebration tipple[/QUOTE
50 years in the lower divisions wouldn't be enough for me.

[jacomo]

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Someone will probably tell me I’m wrong in a minute right enough, just speaking from my own experience. I think a lot of it comes down to the what is stated in your contract, irrespective of your occupation.

Part of the problem is that we are all feeling our way here. But my employer’s take on it is that employees need to consent to furlough.

[the tornadoe]

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Bit harsh there are you not...




Just at a couple of years should be fine. They will still be arrogant,blinkered,brainwashed and incapable of discussing football but they are still our nearest rivals. My god they will be moaning that will be not be able to increase the gap in derby wins. Don't laugh you know they will mention it. I'll wait till relegation is confirmed before having a celebration tipple[/QUOTE
50 years in the lower divisions wouldn't be enough for me.

For me, after the The Rangers having all the rules bent, twisted and totally dicarded to allow them to start again in the bottom league then Hearts waiting a couple of days to declare administration to avoid relegation and bumping all their debts if they are not relegated this season then Scottish football is done !
Been a season ticket holder x2 for many years now and to be honest at the point where unless the Scottish game is administered in a fair and proper manner what is the point of it all. Clubs can spend what they want outwith their means gaining an unfair sporting advantage then go t!ts up dumping all their debt and start again awash with cash to do the same thing all over again !!
I have not renewed my season tickets yet....

[Gmack7]

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Part of the problem is that we are all feeling our way here. But my employer’s take on it is that employees need to consent to furlough.

also my experience. i had to agree at 6pm last night when i received the email

[munchar]

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For me, after the The Rangers having all the rules bent, twisted and totally dicarded to allow them to start again in the bottom league then Hearts waiting a couple of days to declare administration to avoid relegation and bumping all their debts if they are not relegated this season then Scottish football is done !
Been a season ticket holder x2 for many years now and to be honest at the point where unless the Scottish game is administered in a fair and proper manner what is the point of it all. Clubs can spend what they want outwith their means gaining an unfair sporting advantage then go t!ts up dumping all their debt and start again awash with cash to do the same thing all over again !!
I have not renewed my season tickets yet....

Great post, & totally agree. Very frustrating imo how the same 2 teams seem to be doing the same again, & most probably the rule makers will accommodate them. Like yourself. I think it’s very delusional, although we’ll both renew for the love of Hibs, even though you could argue it’s corrupt the way certain clubs do what they want with no repercussions. Hand on heart, if it was Hibs in the same position right now as Hearts & league finished as it stands, I’d have no qualms. They’re there on merit. League table doesn’t lie. Admin 2 perhaps? Start again with no debt, and once again have an unfair advantage over the rest. Down you go Hearts. Enjoy paying the 6-8 grand wages down there.

[Billy Whizz]

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Great post, & totally agree. Very frustrating imo how the same 2 teams seem to be doing the same again, & most probably the rule makers will accommodate them. Like yourself. I think it’s very delusional, although we’ll both renew for the love of Hibs, even though you could argue it’s corrupt the way certain clubs do what they want with no repercussions. Hand on heart, if it was Hibs in the same position right now as Hearts & league finished as it stands, I’d have no qualms. They’re there on merit. League table doesn’t lie. Admin 2 perhaps? Start again with no debt, and once again have an unfair advantage over the rest. Down you go Hearts. Enjoy paying the 6-8 grand wages down there.

Other than Football debts, presume most of Hearts debts are due to who built the new stand
They can immorally get rid of all their players in admin

[the tornadoe]

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Other than Football debts, presume most of Hearts debts are due to who built the new stand
They can immorally get rid of all their players in admin

That's the thing for me though ... the Football Debt means debts to other clubs.. it should mean all debts owed by a football club. If that rule was implemented then none of this administration / liquidation would get them out of jail free.. they would be forced to run their clubs properly as most others do including ourselves.

[munchar]

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That's the thing for me though ... the Football Debt means debts to other clubs.. it should mean all debts owed by a football club. If that rule was implemented then none of this administration / liquidation would get them out of jail free.. they would be forced to run their clubs properly as most others do including ourselves.

That’s what’s so frustrating. It’s actually a license to commit fraud. Pay your football debts, but bump everyone else!! Ffs 🤬 Hence while they’re trying to force their players to take a cut. If they go bust, they’ll still be liable for their contracts in full. Naismith (who’s voluntarily took 50% cut) & Boyce are on long term big money contracts.

[Ozyhibby]

The football debt rule is the reason HMRC never vote for a CVA with a football club.


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[Sioux]

The impression I get from the Old Trout's latest reincarnation of the truth, is that the players will be on furlough, and obviously getting £2,500 per month. The bold Trout, using the Article 12 suspension clause, now introduces a twist whereby she is now contemplating paying the players a percentage of their salary, over and above the £2,500, because she's a really good person and doing them a favour! All on the basis that hertz are a big famous club. She doesn't need to do this.

If anyone in the media or social media says different, they must be lying.

(She says negotiations with the players regarding that percentage continues, and that is maybe an indication that she is not particularly comfortable with the legality of Clause 12.)

She's got herself into this mess because she jumped in with both feet far too early, within hours, of football being suspended. Her solution was the threat of wage cuts, cancelling contracts, taking legal action against whoever, etc.

The rest of football took time to analyse what it meant to them, and then to act accordingly. Most people do this, even if it is subconsciously.

She's a ******* chancer!

[EI255]

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I would imagine Naismith collected full wages during his lengthy injury spell(s). He would have some nerve not accepting a pay cut now.

Absolutely.

Don't know what he earns, probably easy £9k+ pw? Not bad for a guy who plays around half a season, every season. And STILL bums himself into the national team. Just W T F?

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[Since90+2]

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Absolutely.

Don't know what he earns, probably easy £9k+ pw? Not bad for a guy who plays around half a season, every season. And STILL bums himself into the national team. Just W T F?

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Naismith won't on circa 10k a week at Hearts. No chance.

[Waxy]

Wonder how many extra million the jambos have had chucked at them over the last 40 years.

The brown envelope will be getting stuffed as we speak.

[Not In The Know]

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Budge on a pre recorded Interview on Sportsound
Trying to justify why players at Hearts have big basic salaries than other teams

The tone of the interviewer is pathetic. Whispered voice it’s like someone’s just died. No cross examination or any questions asked by the muppets in the studio afterwards

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...cript-21813458

Is this the same as the pre-record? Generosity of the club?? Does she mean the lucrative contracts?

[04Sauzee]

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...cript-21813458

Is this the same as the pre-record? Generosity of the club?? Does she mean the lucrative contracts?

I struggle to understand her ramblings

[munchar]

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...cript-21813458

Is this the same as the pre-record? Generosity of the club?? Does she mean the lucrative contracts?

1- Your crying about the bigger basic wages Hearts pay. If you knew you couldn’t afford them, why offer them?
2- If admin comes along a second time, you must pay football debts, is this why you’re trying to reduce the contracts you negotiated by 50%?
3- League rules states they can finish whenever they choose. What could you argue, especially given the circumstances with the worldwide pandemic, that you think they’d bend the rules...again?