The generic Hearts thread

[Winston Ingram]

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When it’s safe to play again. Nobody knows when this virus will be clear, but money talks, & there’s no way sponsors will allow for season to be voided. Whenever it starts, 3-4 weeks maximum finishes season. May be tiring, but the fairest way to do so.

Celtic will not allow it to be voided.

[04Sauzee]

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So how can you relegate Patrick who have a game in hand. Win & they’re safe.

Average points would be the the fairest way?

[Drewster]

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Average points would be the the fairest way?

Absolutely, this is the most reasonable solution to this unprecedented situation - after over 75% of the season, it’s difficult to argue that this is not equitable. Particularly given that the remaining games can’t be completed before the end of May, and then squads will have players who are no longer contracted & registered to play for their Clubs.

[Eyrie]

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When it’s safe to play again. Nobody knows when this virus will be clear, but money talks, & there’s no way sponsors will allow for season to be voided. Whenever it starts, 3-4 weeks maximum finishes season. May be tiring, but the fairest way to do so.

If money talks, then why wreck next season to finish this one?

We've played almost 80% of this season, so calling it over based on current positions or average points per game means little money is at stake if sponsors and broadcasters demand a refund.

Compare that to the money at risk by having next season cut in half to fit in a preseason before playing the remaining games of this one, then having a summer break of 3-4 weeks, then another preseason. And that's assuming we can restart this season any time soon.

[jacomo]

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So how can you relegate Patrick who have a game in hand. Win & they’re safe.

They can genuinely feel hard done by, but we are in unprecedented times.

It’s all about the art of the possible now. Finishing this season to its conclusion - something we would like to see - looks less and less possible.

Starting next season (albeit delayed) does look possible, but it needs this season to be concluded so that everyone knows where they stand.

[RoYO!]

So has anyone made an "average points" table? A journo would see it and run with it I'm sure. May even plant the seed as a way to wrap this up.

PS if it turns out Hertz stay up, then bin this idea! Haha

[hibbyfraelibby]

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So how can you relegate Patrick who have a game in hand. Win & they’re safe.

Divide the number if points you have by the games played to get your average points total. Addresses all anomilies in all leagues.

Do it that way and PTFC have an average less than 1pt per game and QoS have exactly 1pt . PTFC relegated.

[Gmack7]

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So has anyone made an "average points" table? A journo would see it and run with it I'm sure. May even plant the seed as a way to wrap this up.

PS if it turns out Hertz stay up, then bin this idea! Haha

They would be down and ST J would go above us i think

[ScottB]

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So has anyone made an "average points" table? A journo would see it and run with it I'm sure. May even plant the seed as a way to wrap this up.

PS if it turns out Hertz stay up, then bin this idea! Haha

If it’s as simple as dividing current points by number of games played, then projecting that forward to 38 games, the only team that suffers is...us?

1. Celtic 80 points becomes 101 points
2. Rangers 67 becomes 88
3. Motherwell 46 becomes 58
4. Aberdeen 45 becomes 57
5. Livingston 39 becomes 49
6. Hibs 37 becomes becomes 47
-. St Johnstone 36 becomes 47
8. Killie 33 becomes 42
9. St Mirren 29 becomes 37
-. Ross County 29 becomes 37
11. Hamilton 27 becomes 34
12. Hearts 23 becomes 29

If current goal difference counts we’d keep 6th to ourselves and St Mirren would get 9th, otherwise those places are shared.

[hibbyfraelibby]

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They would be down and ST J would go above us i think

Correct. We would be 7th but hey we were 11th

[RoYO!]

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If it’s as simple as dividing current points by number of games played, then projecting that forward to 38 games, the only team that suffers is...us?

1. Celtic 80 points becomes 101 points
2. Rangers 67 becomes 88
3. Motherwell 46 becomes 58
4. Aberdeen 45 becomes 57
5. Livingston 39 becomes 49
6. Hibs 37 becomes becomes 47
-. St Johnstone 36 becomes 47
8. Killie 33 becomes 42
9. St Mirren 29 becomes 37
-. Ross County 29 becomes 37
11. Hamilton 27 becomes 34
12. Hearts 23 becomes 29

If current goal difference counts we’d keep 6th to ourselves and St Mirren would get 9th, otherwise those places are shared.

Well that's it settled then.

Next order of business?

[Deansy]

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On JKB the general feeling is to use the Global Coronavirus Pandemic as a means to binning an overpaid, under-achieving squad on the cheap.

Only club I know of who, after an embarrassing administration vastly overspend then look for a killer virus to get them out of jail. Both financially and professionally.

This is probably a green-tinted version of events, but the facts are all there.

'an embarrassing administration' - an administration that saw them end-up being owned by a multi-millionairess, a multi-millionairess who now refuses to dip into her well-stuffed piggy-bank to save them from yet another embarrassing administration !, Also the same multi-millionairess, who made her millions in business seems to have an 'Achilles heel' when it comes to communications as, prior to this epidemic which caused the early lock-down, she appeared to have a very close & comfy relationship with a 'Mystery-benefactor, a 'Mystery-benefactor' who - when they were playing was all too willing to pump millions into the club as he/she/it - proved that he/she/it is a genuine Jambo as he/she/it probably donated under the illusion that Hearts might actually win something - and now appears to be deaf, dumb & blind now that the club is in their usual danger - of once again being unable (and no doubt, unwilling) to pay their bills !.

Aye, being a Jambo is not for the faint-hearted ........................ or the honest ......................... or the sporting ......................... or the intelligent ...................... honourable .............. hygienic ............................. non sexually-deviant..................... charitable ........................

[Joe6-2]

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The article is dated 1 April, before 12 noon.
You been duped by an April fool.
This was the giveaway line, "The German remains confident Hearts will stay up"

😂😂

[spike220]

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So has anyone made an "average points" table? A journo would see it and run with it I'm sure. May even plant the seed as a way to wrap this up.

PS if it turns out Hertz stay up, then bin this idea! Haha

love your work! Gave me a good laugh..

[1875godsgift]

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If it’s as simple as dividing current points by number of games played, then projecting that forward to 38 games, the only team that suffers is...us?

1. Celtic 80 points becomes 101 points
2. Rangers 67 becomes 88
3. Motherwell 46 becomes 58
4. Aberdeen 45 becomes 57
5. Livingston 39 becomes 49
6. Hibs 37 becomes becomes 47
-. St Johnstone 36 becomes 47
8. Killie 33 becomes 42
9. St Mirren 29 becomes 37
-. Ross County 29 becomes 37
11. Hamilton 27 becomes 34
12. Hearts 23 becomes 29

If current goal difference counts we’d keep 6th to ourselves and St Mirren would get 9th, otherwise those places are shared.

Yup, that's pretty conclusive, no argument from me.

Celtc are champions by default, and Hertz are relegated because they're *****.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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If it’s as simple as dividing current points by number of games played, then projecting that forward to 38 games, the only team that suffers is...us?

1. Celtic 80 points becomes 101 points
2. Rangers 67 becomes 88
3. Motherwell 46 becomes 58
4. Aberdeen 45 becomes 57
5. Livingston 39 becomes 49
6. Hibs 37 becomes becomes 47
-. St Johnstone 36 becomes 47
8. Killie 33 becomes 42
9. St Mirren 29 becomes 37
-. Ross County 29 becomes 37
11. Hamilton 27 becomes 34
12. Hearts 23 becomes 29

If current goal difference counts we’d keep 6th to ourselves and St Mirren would get 9th, otherwise those places are shared.

Was it not supposed to be based ok home games form? Thought I’d heard that propels method on Radio Scotland. (Not sure about the logic on that?)

[munchar]

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Divide the number if points you have by the games played to get your average points total. Addresses all anomilies in all leagues.

Do it that way and PTFC have an average less than 1pt per game and QoS have exactly 1pt . PTFC relegated.

You’ve not taken into account Patrick’s game in hand. Win it & they’re average increases, thus keeping them safe.

[Col2]

It can be average points, total points, home results, away results, goals scored, goals conceded, quality of play, chances created, shots on target etc. Any scenario. every scenario they are the biggest ****show, in the history of ****shows.

[Greenfly]

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You’ve not taken into account Patrick’s game in hand. Win it & they’re average increases, thus keeping them safe.

That's why it's an average. It's precisely to account for the fact that equal numbers of games haven't been played. Otherwise there's no need / point to bother with averages. If games played were equal then you'd base it on points only. Patrick would go down. QoS have a better average.

I tried to explain this very point a couple of weeks ago but got dogs abuse from 2 posters in particular who accused me of everything from nonsense to trying to do Hibs down. Average points remains both the logical and fair way to calculate final placings in these circumstances. Celtic are champions, Hearts go down.

[hibeerealist]

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Why would we change the format for one season? Don’t see the logic. Keep as is. And if they were to do so, there would be no relegation & 2 up anyway.
Just finish the season. There’s only 8 games. Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday x 2 weeks. Tuesday, Thursday finished. Semi Saturday/Sunday & play offs. Scottish cup & play off finals next Saturday.

Give it a rest, you keep coming up with the same format over and over are you a whinging Duncan?

[Kato]

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'an embarrassing administration'

Is there anything that embarrasses them?

[FilipinoHibs]

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That's why it's an average. It's precisely to account for the fact that equal numbers of games haven't been played. Otherwise there's no need / point to bother with averages. If games played were equal then you'd base it on points only. Patrick would go down. QoS have a better average.

I tried to explain this very point a couple of weeks ago but got dogs abuse from 2 posters in particular who accused me of everything from nonsense to trying to do Hibs down. Average points remains both the logical and fair way to calculate final placings in these circumstances. Celtic are champions, Hearts go down.

The problem with using a simple average is that is based on results against all the teams in the league whereas your remaining will biased to certain teams. For example, Hibs have Saints, Hamilton and celtic to play. Using the average against these teams, we would get 2,2 and 0 points. A total of 4. Under the overall average scheme we would get 3.7 points. This is a more accurate way of predicting the league pre and post split.

[AltheHibby]

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The problem with using a simple average is that is based on results against all the teams in the league whereas your remaining will biased to certain teams. For example, Hibs have Saints, Hamilton and celtic to play. Using the average against these teams, we would get 2,2 and 0 points. A total of 4. Under the overall average scheme we would get 3.7 points. This is a more accurate way of predicting the league pre and post split.

I would like to see the table if we replicated the last equivalent matches for the games still to be played.

[GreenCastle]

The slight problem with averaging is some teams have harder remaining games.

I know in the English leagues some teams in the EPL have the top clubs left and others have an easier run as they play lower teams.

[Col2]

They are now suggesting youth (cheap) is the answer, sprinkled with a 2-3 experienced players.

They are so predictable. This will be the new 5 year plan. They know they are going down down down..

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...-youth-2527452

[munchar]

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Give it a rest, you keep coming up with the same format over and over are you a whinging Duncan?

I’ve not came up with any format?

[CapitalGreen]

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I would like to see the table if we replicated the last equivalent matches for the games still to be played.

Same. However the issue in this methodology is that Rangers are due to play St Johnstone at home but there is no proxy to use for that result as they haven’t already played at Ibrox this season.

[The 90+2]

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They are now suggesting youth (cheap) is the answer, sprinkled with a 2-3 experienced players.

They are so predictable. This will be the new 5 year plan. They know they are going down down down..

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...-youth-2527452

He has played a lot of youngsters already in all fairness. I figured it was because the majority of the squad are utter ****.

[Bostonhibby]

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He has played a lot of youngsters already in all fairness. I figured it was because the majority of the squad are utter ****.

Cue the usual media guff about visionary futuristic thinking that no one else has ever done because they couldn't etc, etc.....

That'll keep the Duncans dribbling in their cornflakes and distracted from reality once again.

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[James Stephen]

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Was it not supposed to be based ok home games form? Thought I’d heard that propels method on Radio Scotland. (Not sure about the logic on that?)

The thing that average table shows to me is that, as expected, the league table is as it should be - i.e. it is meritocratic.

So while a team can say we could have seen an upturn and caught team above, we can base decisions on what we know to be the case, and using the guiding principle that the previous 80% of the season is as fair a guide as possible as to how the remaining 20% would have gone.

It reinforces that current placings are a good guide.