The generic Hearts thread

[Not In The Know]

Bottom of the league club threatens players to take 50% pay cut that will probably still have them earning more than the 5 teams above them.

Shambles.

Send them down now.

[Heisenberg]

I’ve seen a few Hearts fans trying to rip into Hibs for selling season tickets when their own club is flapping about in the media trying to force its staff into pay cuts having already laid off a number of non playing staff. Hibs selling season tickets (when two other big clubs in the league have already done so) should be the least of their worries.

[Biggie]

Honest to god, that's budge on sky trying to come across as some management messiah by threatening players who don't conform to the 50 % wage cut.
Gies peace ya trout...she does my nut in

[Fuzzywuzzy]

"This is my ***** and fairly sick analogy.



The rest of Scottish football are at the wash your hands for twenty minutes and you will be fine stage of acceptance.


Hearts are at the stay the **** at home stage because they can see what's coming."

Ahead of the game is where they're at

[jacomo]

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I’ve seen a few Hearts fans trying to rip into Hibs for selling season tickets when their own club is flapping about in the media trying to force its staff into pay cuts having already laid off a number of non playing staff. Hibs selling season tickets (when two other big clubs in the league have already done so) should be the least of their worries.

I heard what Leeann had to say about the season ticket campaign. We are in extraordinary times but the club must continue to plan ahead for when normal service resumes. It sounded very reasonable to me.

I’ve heard what Budge has had to say this week. She sounds deranged.

[Jones28]

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"This is my ***** and fairly sick analogy.



The rest of Scottish football are at the wash your hands for twenty minutes and you will be fine stage of acceptance.


Hearts are at the stay the **** at home stage because they can see what's coming."

Ahead of the game is where they're at

The delusions really know no bounds 😂

So the argument they’re making is that because they’re already at the stage of begging players to take wage cuts they’re ahead of the game?

Hahahaha

[jacomo]

I didn’t realise Queen Ann, sorry Hearts, issued another ‘clarification’ statement last night.

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/club-update-1

This is a current rate of one statement per day.

The Rangers are tough competitors of course, and even Hibs have been involved this week, but Hearts look favourites to win this season’s statement league.

[Springbank]

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I didn’t realise Queen Ann, sorry Hearts, issued another ‘clarification’ statement last night.

https://www.heartsfc.co.uk/news/article/club-update-1

This is a current rate of one statement per day.

The Rangers are tough competitors of course, and even Hibs have been involved this week, but Hearts look favourites to win this season’s statement league.

I am frankly very impressed with Fraser Wishart of the players union and deeply unimpressed with Ann Budge and her cynicism (and the hasty nature of the cynical abuse of this virus as a cover front for some sharp practices, abusing the manager/employee relationship)

If Fraser Wishart decides there is a case the players union can win, then I'd believe him over Budge every day of the week.

The hearts email yesterday was outright bullying.
Take a pay hit on 1 April or let us know you disagree and move onto zero pay instead (including a requirement for players to return any salaries paid to them in error by hearts after 1 april).

Good luck to the good guys here, meaning Fraser Wishart & the PFA

[Ozyhibby]

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I am frankly very impressed with Fraser Wishart of the players union and deeply unimpressed with Ann Budge and her cynicism (and the hasty nature of the cynical abuse of this virus as a cover front for some sharp practices, abusing the manager/employee relationship)

If Fraser Wishart decides there is a case the players union can win, then I'd believe him over Budge every day of the week.

The hearts email yesterday was outright bullying.
Take a pay hit on 1 April or let us know you disagree and move onto zero pay instead (including a requirement for players to return any salaries paid to them in error by hearts after 1 april).

Good luck to the good guys here, meaning Fraser Wishart & the PFA

I would think if Hearts were to use the clause they are thinking of using to let players go, would they not legally have to use it for all players?


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[Ozyhibby]

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I am frankly very impressed with Fraser Wishart of the players union and deeply unimpressed with Ann Budge and her cynicism (and the hasty nature of the cynical abuse of this virus as a cover front for some sharp practices, abusing the manager/employee relationship)

If Fraser Wishart decides there is a case the players union can win, then I'd believe him over Budge every day of the week.

The hearts email yesterday was outright bullying.
Take a pay hit on 1 April or let us know you disagree and move onto zero pay instead (including a requirement for players to return any salaries paid to them in error by hearts after 1 april).

Good luck to the good guys here, meaning Fraser Wishart & the PFA

I’ll be impressed with Fraser Wishart if he actually manages to protect his members this time. Previously he just seems to manage to complain about how unfair it all is but in the end his members lose the money they were entitled to.


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[Since452]

Budge is an absolute charlatan hiding behind a sweet old woman persona. She's being found out big time

[Heisenberg]

Definitely no warnings going out to the players. Nope. Not at all. Such a highly regarded club wouldn’t do that. Oh...

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/0...ccept-pay-cut/

“Fortunately for us, Ann has had the sense to do it first so that we all know what’s happening. The boys will need to accept it or move on.”

Why are they so desperate to try and prove that Ann Budge has been some sort of visionary and ahead of the game with this? They are ****ing skint and she’s scrambling about trying to fix it.

[CloudSquall]

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Definitely no warnings going out to the players. Nope. Not at all. Such a highly regarded club wouldn’t do that. Oh...

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/0...ccept-pay-cut/

“Fortunately for us, Ann has had the sense to do it first so that we all know what’s happening. The boys will need to accept it or move on.”

Why are they so desperate to try and prove that Ann Budge has been some sort of visionary and ahead of the game with this? They are ****ing skint and she’s scrambling about trying to fix it.

"Anne's a genius and 5-1" is all they can cling on to now.

[The 90+2]

At a time like this when everyone is worried for various reasons hearts fans and staff are absolutely desperate for all the other clubs to lay off staff and cut the players wages, absolute desperate for it to happen. Shameless bunch of absolute ****s.

[CapitalGreen]

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Definitely no warnings going out to the players. Nope. Not at all. Such a highly regarded club wouldn’t do that. Oh...

http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/0...ccept-pay-cut/

“Fortunately for us, Ann has had the sense to do it first so that we all know what’s happening. The boys will need to accept it or move on.”

Why are they so desperate to try and prove that Ann Budge has been some sort of visionary and ahead of the game with this? They are ****ing skint and she’s scrambling about trying to fix it.

Locke makes £40k pa at Hearts as a glorified tour guide. He’ll be desperate for the players to take a pay cut to protect that gravy train job of his.

[Frankhfc]

Wish Maulary Martin was still on their books. No way he would have agreed either half wages or terminated contract. He'd have his Union and lawyers all over it, pronto fashion.

[The 90+2]

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Locke makes £40k pa at Hearts as a glorified tour guide. He’ll be desperate for the players to take a pay cut to protect that gravy train job of his.

It’s not as if he’s going to slag off or go against the person that gives him that cushy number either. He’s a Budge patsy.

[Tug Wilson]

Hearts statement seems to indicate that they were advised by the SPFL and their legal advisors to inform the players that Hearts might have to invoke this Clause 12.

Why have we not heard about any other clubs doing the same? Surely the SPFL gave all clubs this advice?

Or was it that Hearts approached the SPFL to check if they could use Clause 12 as an excuse to get shot of players from their payroll and the SPFL said legally yes.

No other club gone this route? Seems not or I am sure that we would have heard about it. Not least from all the Jambos desperate to prove that their club is ahead of the game.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure that the Hibs board are discussing all sorts of ways to reduce expenditure and, with wages being the main outgoing, that will be on the table. It would seem that launching the season ticket sales is an attempt to bring in funds to negate the need for wage cuts. Seems sensible.

However, it will not surprise me if, at some point, Hibs have to go to the players with some form of temporary reduction of wages plan.

I sincerely hope that if they do then it is a wage deferment that will be repaid over the next season.

I would hope that Hibs would not look to cut the pay of the non football staff (by this I mean any ticket office, shop staff and the like) who are probably not on big salaries and have little or no leeway to lose any income.

I would hope that Hibs would not start threatening their own players with the sack. Yes supporters often call players wage thieves (term I hate) but at the end of the day the players are human beings who rely on their jobs to feed, clothe and house their families - just like the rest of us. They are already in an industry where the job security is uncertain at the best of times and a lot of what they earn now is to see them through once they stop playing.

Only one club seem to be treating their players as disposable assets and not people.

[CorrieHibs]

What makes folk think Hearts are going into Admin?

I’m aware that they have been spending too much on wages i.e Naismith and Boyce. But, surely they haven’t got themselves into that much trouble?!

I think she is taking advantage of a terrible situation. And threatening folk with their jobs is disgraceful!

This unprecedented situation we’re in will affect all Scottish clubs even Celtic! So, will folk agree with the Hibs board if we have follow suit?

[Aldo]

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What makes folk think Hearts are going into Admin?

I’m aware that they have been spending too much on wages i.e Naismith and Boyce. But, surely they haven’t got themselves into that much trouble?!

I think she is taking advantage of a terrible situation. And threatening folk with their jobs is disgraceful!

This unprecedented situation we’re in will affect all Scottish clubs even Celtic! So, will folk agree with the Hibs board if we have follow suit?

Have you been hearing/reading what Budge has been saying??? They needed the money from the remaining 4 games and the SC SF to make it anywhere near the end of the season.

She had the audacity to get the begging bowl out too.

They have spent way more than they have and this is even with millions upon millions of anonymous donations and FOH money.

They are using every truck in the book, even going down the legal clause route to invoke a wage reduction. After day one this reeked of total and utter desperation.

We are all going to feel the pinch but at the moment it’s statement after statement, deny most things but are rolling out the we are self sufficient and living within our means BS when it is clear to all they are not.


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[where'stheslope]

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Hearts statement seems to indicate that they were advised by the SPFL and their legal advisors to inform the players that Hearts might have to invoke this Clause 12.

Why have we not heard about any other clubs doing the same? Surely the SPFL gave all clubs this advice?

Or was it that Hearts approached the SPFL to check if they could use Clause 12 as an excuse to get shot of players from their payroll and the SPFL said legally yes.

No other club gone this route? Seems not or I am sure that we would have heard about it. Not least from all the Jambos desperate to prove that their club is ahead of the game.

Don't get me wrong. I am sure that the Hibs board are discussing all sorts of ways to reduce expenditure and, with wages being the main outgoing, that will be on the table. It would seem that launching the season ticket sales is an attempt to bring in funds to negate the need for wage cuts. Seems sensible.

However, it will not surprise me if, at some point, Hibs have to go to the players with some form of temporary reduction of wages plan.

I sincerely hope that if they do then it is a wage deferment that will be repaid over the next season.

I would hope that Hibs would not look to cut the pay of the non football staff (by this I mean any ticket office, shop staff and the like) who are probably not on big salaries and have little or no leeway to lose any income.

I would hope that Hibs would not start threatening their own players with the sack. Yes supporters often call players wage thieves (term I hate) but at the end of the day the players are human beings who rely on their jobs to feed, clothe and house their families - just like the rest of us. They are already in an industry where the job security is uncertain at the best of times and a lot of what they earn now is to see them through once they stop playing.

Only one club seem to be treating their players as disposable assets and not people.

You seem to have hit the nail on the head with some of your analogy, but I feel that season ticket money being taken now and used up before the season starts, where does the running costs for next season come from?
What has happened to the season ticket money sitting in the bank for this season?
With everything that is happening just now all over the world, the last thing anyone should be worried about is taking a cut in wages when footballers are mostly over paid anyway!
How many footballers in our premiership taking a 50% cut would fall into the governments criteria of £2500/month???
We want to save our club, but surely the players should be looking to help out in this, not just fans buying season tickets to help pay them!!!

[Ozyhibby]

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You seem to have hit the nail on the head with some of your analogy, but I feel that season ticket money being taken now and used up before the season starts, where does the running costs for next season come from?
What has happened to the season ticket money sitting in the bank for this season?
With everything that is happening just now all over the world, the last thing anyone should be worried about is taking a cut in wages when footballers are mostly over paid anyway!
How many footballers in our premiership taking a 50% cut would fall into the governments criteria of £2500/month???
We want to save our club, but surely the players should be looking to help out in this, not just fans buying season tickets to help pay them!!!

The club are actually late in putting season tickets on sale. We are not using next years money this year. We are getting prepared for next season. Football will start again in August and we will need to be as ready as we can be to get going again.


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[where'stheslope]

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The club are actually late in putting season tickets on sale. We are not using next years money this year. We are getting prepared for next season. Football will start again in August and we will need to be as ready as we can be to get going again.


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I hope your right, but I think August is just optimism in your eyes.
Everything points to early next year at the earliest, unless played behind closed doors.
Remember the government is trying to slow down the hitting the peak, which will make it a greater time scale to get over the complete eradication of the virus.
Vaccinations will help, but they are not expected till early next year.

[hibeerealist]

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I’ve seen a few Hearts fans trying to rip into Hibs for selling season tickets when their own club is flapping about in the media trying to force its staff into pay cuts having already laid off a number of non playing staff. Hibs selling season tickets (when two other big clubs in the league have already done so) should be the least of their worries.

Hertz would be selling theirs too if they knew what league they would be playing in next season, I can help them there - CHAMPIONSHIP

[Ozyhibby]

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I hope your right, but I think August is just optimism in your eyes.
Everything points to early next year at the earliest, unless played behind closed doors.
Remember the government is trying to slow down the hitting the peak, which will make it a greater time scale to get over the complete eradication of the virus.
Vaccinations will help, but they are not expected till early next year.

We won’t be able to feed ourselves if we are not back to normal by August. This lockdown will be the last, a proper test and trace system along with increased capacity in the snhs will need to be in place by the time it ends because there won’t be another lockdown.
There would be riots in the streets if this lasts that long.


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[where'stheslope]

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We won’t be able to feed ourselves if we are not back to normal by August. This lockdown will be the last, a proper test and trace system along with increased capacity in the snhs will need to be in place by the time it ends because there won’t be another lockdown.
There would be riots in the streets if this lasts that long.


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I really hope your crystal ball is right!!!!

[Tug Wilson]

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You seem to have hit the nail on the head with some of your analogy, but I feel that season ticket money being taken now and used up before the season starts, where does the running costs for next season come from?
What has happened to the season ticket money sitting in the bank for this season?
With everything that is happening just now all over the world, the last thing anyone should be worried about is taking a cut in wages when footballers are mostly over paid anyway!
How many footballers in our premiership taking a 50% cut would fall into the governments criteria of £2500/month???
We want to save our club, but surely the players should be looking to help out in this, not just fans buying season tickets to help pay them!!!

Fair point.

Cash flow is the killer here. Hibs will have budgeted for a certain amount of income between now and the end of the season. That income is gone whilst the expenditure remains.

I think that we have to accept that any current income received now will go some way to plugging the gap and we will have to cut our cloth to fit next season.

Suspect that this will mean some projects (indoor pitch) will go on hold and chances of big money signings are remote.

However, any money in the bank now will stabilise the cash flow.

Next season might be a "bread and water" season but Hibs should be better off than most.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I hope your right, but I think August is just optimism in your eyes.
Everything points to early next year at the earliest, unless played behind closed doors.
Remember the government is trying to slow down the hitting the peak, which will make it a greater time scale to get over the complete eradication of the virus.
Vaccinations will help, but they are not expected till early next year.

I have notification of 2 gigs postponed from April rescheduled for September and October. Optimistic that they will go ahead. No reason to believe football would be any different.

[mjhibby]

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I have notification of 2 gigs postponed from April rescheduled for September and October. Optimistic that they will go ahead. No reason to believe football would be any different.

Got hols begining of July. Not optimistic and trip planned for middle of August. A wee bit more cheery there. Put it this way the bookies are making royal Ascot which starts on June 16 is slight odds on not to happen. They are thinking mid July at the earliest and cramming the flat season into four months instead of seven and a half. Just an idea of the logistical nightmare of even starting next season on time never mind finishing this one. It's becoming increasingly more obvious,even Barry Ferguson was saying it today,that the season has gone and we must concentrate on saving the whole of next season.

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Fair point.

Cash flow is the killer here. Hibs will have budgeted for a certain amount of income between now and the end of the season. That income is gone whilst the expenditure remains.

I think that we have to accept that any current income received now will go some way to plugging the gap and we will have to cut our cloth to fit next season.

Suspect that this will mean some projects (indoor pitch) will go on hold and chances of big money signings are remote.

However, any money in the bank now will stabilise the cash flow.

Next season might be a "bread and water" season but Hibs should be better off than most.

Indeed. Many teams will probably have to let go highest earners for for little dosh to keep going I suspect. Could be a very odd league next season. Celtic will be champions but wouldn't be surprised if there a few surprises in the fight for Europe and relegation.