The generic Hearts thread

[Kato]

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Yeah, if only Jeremy was calling the shots now.

Didn't support him either bud, but carry on with the sarcasm if it makes you happy. BJ will carry on with his cack-handed bluster changing tactics with the wind. He could always wave his magic flags and give us all a giggle, that'll beat the virus.

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[jacomo]

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Yeah, if only Jeremy was calling the shots now.

In economic terms at least, this government has turned socialist.

[Bostonhibby]

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Are you serious about Johnson? He didn't take the drastic steps necessary until today. Advice is never going to cut it. Football/rugby stadia were shut down by their own governing bodies, not by the govt. One week ago today, the Cheltenham Gold Cup was run. In 4 days 250k people went racing, drank & dined in crowded bars & restaurants. Last Wednesday 4,000 fans travelled from the worst hot spot capital in Europe to Liverpool without restriction. For nearly 2 months our strategy was completely the opposite of every other nation. As a result we're now weeks behind in tackling this awful situation. He's an incompetent charlatan, who's completely out his depth & people will die unnecessarily because of his failings. All IMO of course but the comments above are all facts. Other than that I agree he's doing a good job!

Agree every word.

The die was cast when Cheltenham went ahead, it's all been talk and presentation with very little substance since.

Until Bozo paints it on the side of a bus I won't believe a word he says

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[Kato]

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Agree every word.

The die was cast when Cheltenham went ahead, it's all been talk and presentation with very little substance since.

Until Bozo paints it on the side of a bus I won't believe a word he says

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The two weeks hesitation in arranging a shut-down, remember he wanted CV to 'sweep through the populace', will turn out to be a huge mistake.

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[Bostonhibby]

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The two weeks hesitation in arranging a shut-down, remember he wanted CV to 'sweep through the populace', will turn out to be a huge mistake.

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Only if enough folk remember, when it's over he will unashamedly launch another three word slogan about his triumph over the virus and the nation will rejoice like when Brexit got done

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[The Count]

Not a fan of Boris or Nicola but do you really believe they are making these decisions themselves? They are not they are relying on the scientists and health experts.You dont think Churchill made all the decisions during WW2 without advice from the armed services.There is no easy answer and we should all ease off our political bias until this awful virus is beaten.Then by all means get stuck into the awful Conservative parties views.

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Hearts are f*****g sh¡te.

[brog]

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Not a fan of Boris or Nicola but do you really believe they are making these decisions themselves? They are not they are relying on the scientists and health experts.You dont think Churchill made all the decisions during WW2 without advice from the armed services.There is no easy answer and we should all ease off our political bias until this awful virus is beaten.Then by all means get stuck into the awful Conservative parties views.

Its not political bias, its facts. Can anyone answer why the UK went in a completely different direction from every other nation & have now completely changed tack? Why did we get it so wrong?

[The Count]

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Hearts are f*****g sh¡te.

Well done we are back on topic and away from politics !!!

[G B Young]

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Good that it will help those in most need.

I cannot stand Boris, but against my better judgement he is impressing me.

Back on topic, good luck to the Hertz admin staff. Still hope they get relegated.

Yes he's stepped up to the plate well. Sturgeon too. Both have clearly been well advised and it's heartening to see how aligned they are at this time of crisis. Sunak was especially impressive today considering he was only handed the job a few weeks ago. I wouldn't have wanted May in charge at this time or, perish the thought, Corbyn (who I still spot popping up occasionally trying to make political mileage out of this). And Americans must just be praying Trump has some astute medical advisors because he is clearly way out of his depth.

Truth is, the world is trying to learn as we go with this nightmare and nobody knows for sure what's best. I have a cousin working in Cairo who says Egypt is essentially pretending none of this is happening and simply allowing the virus to do its worst. Terrifying.

As you say though, back on topic, and there is a degree of amusement that Budge may have blundered yet again here.

[Bostonhibby]

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Not a fan of Boris or Nicola but do you really believe they are making these decisions themselves? They are not they are relying on the scientists and health experts.You dont think Churchill made all the decisions during WW2 without advice from the armed services.There is no easy answer and we should all ease off our political bias until this awful virus is beaten.Then by all means get stuck into the awful Conservative parties views.

Think I'm intelligent enough to have worked the distinction out.

In this particular crisis I do agree and feel an empowered scientific and Health care led initiative with the politicians and their personal spin and rhetoric kept as far away as possible would have seen a better outcome than we're currently enduring.

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[G B Young]

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Its not political bias, its facts. Can anyone answer why the UK went in a completely different direction from every other nation & have now completely changed tack? Why did we get it so wrong?

Every other nation? Really? I'm impressed if you know how every country on the planet has reacted to this.

[StevesFamau5]

In other news..... Looks like Channel 4 have bought the rights to the Hearts documentary and renamed it..

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[FilipinoHibs]

The government in the UK relied on behavioural psychology while the rest of the world were guided by epidemic disease science. BJ and co were widely criticised by the scientific and medical community. We are back in line now.

Back on topic. HEARTS ARE TOAST.

[Joe6-2]

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The government in the UK relied on behavioural psychology while the rest of the world were guided by epidemic disease science. BJ and co were widely criticised by the scientific and medical community. We are back in line now.

Back on topic. HEARTS ARE TOAST.

I really hope they are!

[Deansy]

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The government in the UK relied on behavioural psychology while the rest of the world were guided by epidemic disease science. BJ and co were widely criticised by the scientific and medical community. We are back in line now.

Back on topic. HEARTS ARE TOAST.

I really hope they are because they're leaving no stone un-turned (Ok, it's easier as most of their fans live under them anyway !!) in their efforts to get the media on their side about how unfair it would be if they're relegated !. Absolutely nauseating how they've used 'Coronavirus' to try and weasel their way out of relegation - truly a club for **** and run by **** !!

[kaimendhibs]

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Queen and her Aberdeen castle can’t cope in perfect storm

There was a time, not so long ago, when Ann Budge could do no wrong. The Queen of Hearts extricated the club from administration, moved them in an exciting new direction with a new moral compass and oversaw an expansion of Tynecastle Park that was supposed to maximise their potential.

Well, the new main stand is reported to have cost £9million more than originally promised, Hearts are in the throes of another financial crisis and, while the shirt sponsor says Save the Children, this week’s call for all staff, including players, to take a 50 per cent wage cut suggests that it is the club who need saving.

What a spectacular unravelling it has been for Budge and Hearts in the space of 18 excruciating months. In the early part of last season, they were top of the league and into the semi-finals of the Betfred Cup, but the bottom was to fall out of a club that relied much too heavily on their manager, and director of football, Craig Levein.

Despite successive transfer windows in which he presided over a blur of expensive players coming and going, he had a team that was neither effective nor fun to watch and, when Budge relieved him of his duties in October, Hearts were bottom of the league and unable to arrest the decline.

Nobody quibbled with the level of investment, but then again, nobody expected Hearts to find themselves in a relegation battle. Add to that a new head coach, Daniel Stendel, whose tactics were ill-suited to a survival scrap, as well as a vacuum in the football department that Levein controlled, and a perfect storm was brewing.

When coronavirus came along, Hearts were the footballing equivalent of society’s most vulnerable — victims with an underlying health problem.

Budge has got a lot right, especially the club’s social ethos, but her ignorance of football matters left them playing catch-up. And there is no room for that when the game is crippled by a global health crisis.

The measures that were announced on Wednesday were desperate. PFA Scotland yesterday met with players to discuss the way ahead. Legal opinion suggested that Hearts were within their rights because of the language used in the statement. They only “proposed” the club-wide salary reduction. If staff were unwilling or unable to accept, they would be “offered” a termination of their deal.

If there is a clause in their contracts, entitling Hearts to suspend pay — and that theory was also doing the rounds last night — it is a kick in the teeth for players, especially those who were lured to Tynecastle on the promise of a lucrative package.

Steven Naismith, previously with Norwich City, signed a four-year deal last summer that was likely to be the last of his career. Liam Boyce agreed a three-year contract in January that is reported to be worth £6,000 a week, more than Aberdeen and numerous others could afford.

As it turns out, Hearts could not afford it either.


Budge claimed that the suspension of the season was going to cost them £1million, but much of that was due to come from a Scottish Cup semi-final against Hibs that they would not have budgeted for. The SFA promised this week that its flagship competition would be completed later this year.

While there was no official reaction from the players yesterday, some of their fellow professionals were angry. Tam McManus, the former Hibs striker, tweeted: “Seems a convenient way to dump some ‘excess baggage’ ie a HUGE wage bill run up by a succession of managers. This just doesn’t sit well with me at all.

“I would tell the club to f*** off. I have done so in the past when asked to take a 50 per cent wage cut. You sign a contract you honour it or pay it off in full.

“My loyalty is to myself/family. No loyalty whatsoever in football. Clubs treat players like s***e when not wanted.”

With so much uncertainty as to how or whether the Premiership season will be completed, the odds are against Hearts avoiding the drop, and their willingness to let players go suggests that they know it.

Bryan Jackson, who led the administration process in 2013, believes that Budge has moved quickly to prevent another one.

“Ann is looking at the situation, thinking, ‘we’ve already missed games and we don’t know when the picture will change’,” said Jackson. “ ‘It could be two weeks, two months or even longer — so we need to do something right now’. To me, that does seem to be the right thing to do. To wait too long and not do anything could be more dangerous for the sustainability of the club.”

Try telling that to the players. Try telling that to the academy coaches and backroom staff whose halved salary leaves them struggling to pay their bills.

It will be a hard sell also for the anonymous benefactors whose donations of up to £9million kept the club on an even keel for so long. And do not expect the supporters who have already donated a similar figure in the past five years to be quite so enthusiastic about digging deep yet again.

All of which will be embarrassing for Budge, who was hailed as the relegated club’s saviour in 2014 when she stepped in to repair the damage done by her reckless predecessor, Vladimir Romanov.

It would be stretching a point to suggest that Hearts are back where they started, but this was not how it was meant to be when she outlined her vision for the club.

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[JOD]

TBH Hearts relegation is the least of our human worries at the moment.

I have many Jambo friends who when i left tonight in the pub said cheerio and aw the best.

Their health was more important to me than their relegation.

For the moment.

[vuefrom1875]

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In economic terms at least, this government has turned socialist.

Oh dear Boris a socialist...stop it Gadgie 🤣

[vuefrom1875]

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Yes he's stepped up to the plate well. Sturgeon too. Both have clearly been well advised and it's heartening to see how aligned they are at this time of crisis. Sunak was especially impressive today considering he was only handed the job a few weeks ago. I wouldn't have wanted May in charge at this time or, perish the thought, Corbyn (who I still spot popping up occasionally trying to make political mileage out of this). And Americans must just be praying Trump has some astute medical advisors because he is clearly way out of his depth.

Truth is, the world is trying to learn as we go with this nightmare and nobody knows for sure what's best. I have a cousin working in Cairo who says Egypt is essentially pretending none of this is happening and simply allowing the virus to do its worst. Terrifying.

As you say though, back on topic, and there is a degree of amusement that Budge may have blundered yet again here.

Stepped up to the plate Boris and Krankie...have a word son.

[vuefrom1875]

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TBH Hearts relegation is the least of our human worries at the moment.

I have many Jambo friends who when i left tonight in the pub said cheerio and aw the best.

Their health was more important to me than their relegation.

For the moment.

Nae tramps MATES😶

[cocteautwin]

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They're still there!

Just call the Administrators in now Budge. When's the next VAT bill due to be paid? May 7th?

[FilipinoHibs]

Herald putting the boot in now:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...is/?ref=appshr

[Joe6-2]

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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...-take-21728537

They're still there!

Just call the Administrators in now Budge. When's the next VAT bill due to be paid? May 7th?

Hated clicking on the link, but worth it!
It’s just beyond belief those two are still there!!!

[HibbySpurs]

Come on Hibs.net to get away from chat about CV guys. Let’s not turn the threads into huge political debates regarding gas Boris got it right or wrong or if you hate the tories or hate the SNP.

There are other forums for that and if I want poorly thought out political debate I’ll spend my time on Facebook!

Anyway, are Hears bust yet?

[HibbySpurs]

Come on Hibs.net to get away from chat about CV guys. Let’s not turn the threads into huge political debates regarding gas Boris got it right or wrong or if you hate the tories or hate the SNP.

There are other forums for that and if I want poorly thought out political debate I’ll spend my time on Facebook!

Anyway, are H bust yet?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Hearts lead to be followed by 12 clubs as SFA and SPFL brace for further coronavirus fallout
Hearts have already decided to offer wage cuts and a further 12 clubs could do the same.

Can't actually understand how the record are trying to make them out to be trailblazers!?!!

[Springbank]

Two quick points to make

I think the only 2 options on the table football-wise are (i) Hearts get relegated on basis of current points IF all clubs are to receive end of season payments OR (ii) the remaining games are played after the virus crisis passes, in which case they are favourites to go down and have 8 games to save their Prem status.

And regarding the politics, Scots are in the unique position of having the best NHS in these islands, the best education system, and a policy framework that has (over the past 13 years) protected public services much more than Down South. That there are c.50% of people (mostly the elderly) who take take take all that and STILL think England knows best just makes me despair for them, but we are in the best shape of any nation in these islands to handle what's coming (and it will be awful, but at a crisis time like this I for one am grateful that neither New Labour or the neo con Tories are anywhere near real power in Scotland). People have no idea how decimated the NHS is down south for example.

Stay safe everyone

[G B Young]

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Agree every word.

The die was cast when Cheltenham went ahead, it's all been talk and presentation with very little substance since.

Until Bozo paints it on the side of a bus I won't believe a word he says

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Horse racing is still going in Ireland.

[matty_f]

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In other news..... Looks like Channel 4 have bought the rights to the Hearts documentary and renamed it..

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Under-appreciated post, imho.