The generic Hearts thread

[MrSmith]

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Do you want one of my tin foil hats too?

You have no evidence for your, ahem, theory, and it makes no sense whatsoever.

Always happy to sport a tin foil hat

[jacomo]

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Always happy to sport a tin foil hat

Lovely. Can we get back on topic? Maybe you can discuss your crazy ideas elsewhere?

[007]

Getting back on topic. Hearts should just sack Stendel now as they'll have plenty of time to find a replacement.

[Brummie_Hibs]

This virus is just another step in the systematic process of breaking up Europe and reducing it as an Economic superpower...

I can't be bothered telling youse the logic behind it, but 9/11 was the beginning...

[bigwheel]

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Getting back on topic. Hearts should just sack Stendel now as they'll have plenty of time to find a replacement.

Would not be surprised...suspect it will happen in next 2-3 weeks when league places are finalised....


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[MrSmith]

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As far as I understand , your premise is that COViD19 is a man made virus, that is targeting not only the older demographic by design, but for some reason also diminishing the power of unions ..

Firstly , unions have little power is the world economy today .. and the capitalists have little to gain by destroying the equity value across the globe as has happened ...

As people have mentioned China has no unions

Perhaps more rationally , there have been a range of severe respiratory diseases over the last decades and this evolution is supported by researchers and epidemiology experts around the world ..

Happy to look at this through a different lens, but your uncorroborated assertions are weak without you having any substance to offer against the worlds scientific eco-system ...

So..”bat” away so to speak and give us some rationale , rather than speculation

Thanks for the response.

Of course covid19 is a man made virus, there is no,proof it came from bat soup nor pangolins or the next exotic Chinese animal that a tail can be pinned on to.

I agree re unions and power.

My assertions may may be weak and uncorroborated in your eyes but your assertion re world eco system is equally weak given their is no evidence as mentioned above re animals.

everything is speculation at this point so any theory or rationale won’t stand up to scrutiny until we get passed the first hurdle of containment into serious investigation.

Happy to to go with the pangolins though.

[MrSmith]

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Lovely. Can we get back on topic? Maybe you can discuss your crazy ideas elsewhere?

Always amuses me when folks use crazy to dismiss another’s opinion because it does not suit.

[SquashedFrogg]

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Because a favourite belief of conspiracy theorists is that the MMR vaccine cause autism.

Google Andrew Wakefield for more. Actually, don’t. I’m worried you will end up believing him.

I have a son who was diagnosed 20 years ago with severe autism.

If you want to be a smart arse then crack on. But please don't lecture me on the theories behind autism.

I'm all for a laugh, but I think you're trying hard justify a poor anology.

If it makes you smile, then fair enough. For a number of people on here it's a very poinent subject.

Never more so than now, when autism often effects the immune system and make you more vulnerable to illness.

Still. Woosh and all that 🙄

[bigwheel]

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Thanks for the response.

Of course covid19 is a man made virus, there is no,proof it came from bat soup nor pangolins or the next exotic Chinese animal that a tail can be pinned on to.

I agree re unions and power.

My assertions may may be weak and uncorroborated in your eyes but your assertion re world eco system is equally weak given their is no evidence as mentioned above re animals.

everything is speculation at this point so any theory or rationale won’t stand up to scrutiny until we get passed the first hurdle of containment into serious investigation.

Happy to to go with the pangolins though.

Lol.... none of us on here have the precise lineage of this disease...but I will trust with the brightest scientists and academics community across the world over your speculative thinking...

Enjoy yersel ✊️


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[Mon Dieu4]

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If anyone thinks the corona virus was due to bat soup, pangolins or any other exotic animal in China, you are effin out there! This virus has been engineered and delivered by nefarious means and has a set purpose! Think about pensions, public sector burden on taxes, bypassing unions and the rise of the compliant workforce.

This virus has a huge impact on society resulting in an unprecedented change that will suit those with money who want to protect the environment for themselves while ensuring the compliant workforce make them billions of pounds/dollars/yen etc in the process.

Think hard about this and much more out of the box before dismissing theories.

What country created it? The US, China, Russia, someone else or are they all in cahoots?

If it was man made then it would have been discovered by now and say it was the US then Putin wouldn't exactly be shy about telling the whole world and vice versa

Wet markets in China have all manner of animals in close proximity that would never encounter each other normally, so what's easier to believe that a virus jumped from one species to another or there is the biggest global conspiracy of all time going on

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[SquashedFrogg]

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😂👍

[Kato]

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[Kato]

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I can't be bothered telling youse the logic behind it...

Thanks



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[147lothian]

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Thanks for the response.

Of course covid19 is a man made virus, there is no,proof it came from bat soup nor pangolins or the next exotic Chinese animal that a tail can be pinned on to.

I agree re unions and power.

My assertions may may be weak and uncorroborated in your eyes but your assertion re world eco system is equally weak given their is no evidence as mentioned above re animals.

everything is speculation at this point so any theory or rationale won’t stand up to scrutiny until we get passed the first hurdle of containment into serious investigation.

Happy to to go with the pangolins though.

Yawn, I thought this was the generic hearts thread, can you not take your opion elsewhere its getting a bit boring

[Bostonhibby]

Craig Levein, what a man. They'd never have done it without him.

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[CraigHibee]

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Craig Levein, what a man. They'd never have done it without him.

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he deserves a medal for his hard work

sure it would be his only one though

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Because a favourite belief of conspiracy theorists is that the MMR vaccine cause autism.

Google Andrew Wakefield for more. Actually, don’t. I’m worried you will end up believing him.

When you’ve finished digging your hole climb in.

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Their situation has not been brought on by the global pandemic. Sure, it's served to highlight the mess they're in, but there are only eight games of the season left and they find themselves four points adrift at the foot of the table entirely through their own ineptitude. In other words, almost entirely self inflicted.

It's not about revelling in their situation while a global pandemic rages around us, it's about how at a time when so many of us are facing enormous worries over health and maintaining a source of income Hearts seem to think a spell in a lower league is right up there as a crisis issue. It's pathetic. When it comes to suffering, there's a lot more to worry about than Budge seems to understand.

Of course this situation has been brought about by the global pandemic, don't be so obtuse. If it wasn't for this situation Hearts would have 24 points still to play for which would have made relegation anything but a certainty. I seem to recall a club who needed their nearest rivals who hadn't lost for months to lose and them to win by 5 clear goals on the last day of the season a few decades ago and it happened, as any Jambo will be able to tell you ... I seem to recall a team with a 2 - 0 away leg playoff lead and 18,000 fans backing them at home still losing the 2nd leg and getting relegated by a club who had brought practically their whole home support with them and still couldn't fill the south lower.

What Budge is worrying about is her business and how it will be affected by relegation. Her concerns are no less legitimate than those of any business owner whose firm is or will be affected by this situation, including its ability to generate income and keep it's staff in employment. From their point of view as a business, even if that business is football, their concerns are of no less importance than those of any other. Or are you genuinely saying that no business has a right to look after it's interests if it can because people are getting ill and in some cases dying, coz if that is the case it will be a first in world history. If you can tell me how many lives Hearts getting relegated will save or how it will help in solving this crisis I'm all ears.

The absolute fact is that without the current situation as a factor Hearts can reasonably claim that they were a long way from certs to finish even 11th, never mind in the automatic relegation place ... How often have Hamilton been on the brink and clawed their way back at the death? How many times have teams in many many leagues saved themselves from the drop at the 11th hour with far less chances than a 4 point deficit and 24 points up for grabs.

Sorry, but unlike to many on here I'm not prepared to suspend my sense of fairness or perspective just because I'm a Hibby and the club on the receiving end is Hearts. Nor am I going to join in the calls for them to cheerfully fall on their sword when I know for a bloody fact that I would want Hibs to fight such a situation tooth and nail.

[Logie Green]

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Of course this situation has been brought about by the global pandemic, don't be so obtuse. If it wasn't for this situation Hearts would have 24 points still to play for which would have made relegation anything but a certainty. I seem to recall a club who needed their nearest rivals who hadn't lost for months to lose and them to win by 5 clear goals on the last day of the season a few decades ago and it happened, as any Jambo will be able to tell you ... I seem to recall a team with a 2 - 0 away leg playoff lead and 18,000 fans backing them at home still losing the 2nd leg and getting relegated by a club who had brought practically their whole home support with them and still couldn't fill the south lower.

What Budge is worrying about is her business and how it will be affected by relegation. Her concerns are no less legitimate than those of any business owner whose firm is or will be affected by this situation, including its ability to generate income and keep it's staff in employment. From their point of view as a business, even if that business is football, their concerns are of no less importance than those of any other. Or are you genuinely saying that no business has a right to look after it's interests if it can because people are getting ill and in some cases dying, coz if that is the case it will be a first in world history. If you can tell me how many lives Hearts getting relegated will save or how it will help in solving this crisis I'm all ears.

The absolute fact is that without the current situation as a factor Hearts can reasonably claim that they were a long way from certs to finish even 11th, never mind in the automatic relegation place ... How often have Hamilton been on the brink and clawed their way back at the death? How many times have teams in many many leagues saved themselves from the drop at the 11th hour with far less chances than a 4 point deficit and 24 points up for grabs.

Sorry, but unlike to many on here I'm not prepared to suspend my sense of fairness or perspective just because I'm a Hibby and the club on the receiving end is Hearts. Nor am I going to join in the calls for them to cheerfully fall on their sword when I know for a bloody fact that I would want Hibs to fight such a situation tooth and nail.

👍 Agree 100%.

[jacomo]

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Always amuses me when folks use crazy to dismiss another’s opinion because it does not suit.

I don’t care about your opinion... no matter how crazy it is, there will be someone out there with a crazier one.

Evidence. Provide some evidence for your opinion or go take it to your favourite conspiracy chat room.

[Frankhfc]

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Of course this situation has been brought about by the global pandemic, don't be so obtuse. If it wasn't for this situation Hearts would have 24 points still to play for which would have made relegation anything but a certainty. I seem to recall a club who needed their nearest rivals who hadn't lost for months to lose and them to win by 5 clear goals on the last day of the season a few decades ago and it happened, as any Jambo will be able to tell you ... I seem to recall a team with a 2 - 0 away leg playoff lead and 18,000 fans backing them at home still losing the 2nd leg and getting relegated.

What Budge is worrying about is her business and how it will be affected by relegation. Her concerns are no less legitimate than those of any business owner whose firm is or will be affected by this situation, including its ability to generate income and keep it's staff in employment. From their point of view as a business, even if that business is football, their concerns are of no less importance than those of any other. Or are you genuinely saying that no business has a right to look after it's interests if it can because people are getting ill and in some cases dying, coz if that is the case it will be a first in world history. If you can tell me how many lives Hearts getting relegated will save or how it will help in solving this crisis I'm all ears.

The absolute fact is that without the current situation as a factor Hearts can reasonably claim that they were a long way from certs to finish even 11th, never mind in the automatic relegation place ... How often have Hamilton been on the brink and clawed their way back at the death? How many times have teams in many many leagues saved themselves from the drop at the 11th hour with far less chances than a 4 point deficit and 24 points up for grabs.

Sorry, but unlike to many on here I'm not prepared to suspend my sense of fairness or perspective just because I'm a Hibby and the club on the receiving end is Hearts. Nor am I going to join in the calls for them to cheerfully fall on their sword when I know for a bloody fact that I would want Hibs to fight such a situation tooth and nail.

While some might have a little bit of sympathy for Hearts if they're automatically relegated, its entirely incumbent upon the SPFL board to act in good faith and for Scottish Football's greater good. If its overall in the best interests to call the season completed as is then that's the course of action that the board must decide upon.

Hearts have every right to defend its own interests, however, they will ultimately have to accept the higher authorities judgment call on behalf of all of the clubs not just Hearts.

[jacomo]

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When you’ve finished digging your hole climb in.

Lol. Did it go over your head too?

[degenerated]

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As far as I understand , your premise is that COViD19 is a man made virus, that is targeting not only the older demographic by design, but for some reason also diminishing the power of unions ..

Firstly , unions have little power is the world economy today .. and the capitalists have little to gain by destroying the equity value across the globe as has happened ...

As people have mentioned China has no unions

Perhaps more rationally , there have been a range of severe respiratory diseases over the last decades and this evolution is supported by researchers and epidemiology experts around the world ..

Happy to look at this through a different lens, but your uncorroborated assertions are weak without you having any substance to offer against the worlds scientific eco-system ...

So..”bat” away so to speak and give us some rationale , rather than speculation

Unsurprisingly, it appears that the conspiracy theorists are incorrect...

https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/202...cientists.html

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[NAE NOOKIE]

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While some might have a little bit of sympathy for Hearts if they're automatically relegated, its entirely incumbent upon the SPFL board to act in good faith and for Scottish Football's greater good. If its overall in the best interests to call the season completed as is then that's the course of action that the board must decide upon.

Hearts have every right to defend its own interests, however, they will ultimately have to accept the higher authorities judgment call on behalf of all of the clubs not just Hearts.

Wow ... Changed days from 2012 then eh

[Frankhfc]

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Wow ... Changed days from 2012 then eh

I note you're connection .

Different scenario though.

[jacomo]

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👍 Agree 100%.

I’m afraid I don’t.

We are where we are - no one wants this situation, but the fact is that pretty much all professional sport has been suspended and this might go on for months.

This means that the league might be declared finished this week, and unless you change the rules the team that is bottom of the league gets relegated. That team is Hearts.

It may be harsh, and it is definitely unexpected, but it’s not unfair.

There are many other businesses facing real hardship right now. Maybe they will suspect business rates or extend loans to football clubs.

But I see no reason why Hearts shouldn’t go down.

[jacomo]

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Unsurprisingly, it appears that the conspiracy theorists are incorrect...

https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/202...cientists.html

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Oh look... science!

[The Rebel]

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It is quite standard for businesses that have a catering function and/or involved in the entertainment business to extend their Business Interruption Insurance to cover the risk of being closed down by the Local Authority in the event of a notifiable disease being declared. It would be quite negligent if a football club did not have the cover in place. In some cases the notifiable diseases will be defined but some businesses will have blanket cover.
It normally costs buttons in relation to the overall cost.

That’s true, but I question whether the notifiable disease extension within a business interruption policy will offer clubs any hope of recovering lost revenues.

The wordings of such extensions vary greatly. Some respond to a specified listing of diseases which won’t include new strains, some refer to any noticeable disease but may have specific exclusions such as SARS or any genetic mutation thereof. For those that don’t have any exclusion for Coronavirus, they will likely still be restricted by the need in most insurance policies for an outbreak of the disease to have occurred at the premises (the football club) itself and for a Public Authority to have called for the closure.

Clubs will undoubtedly struggle to keep going until they can again start to see some revenue coming in.

[CMurdoch]

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Unsurprisingly, it appears that the conspiracy theorists are incorrect...

https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/202...cientists.html

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Nice one. i note that Andrew Rambaut who is a professor of molecular evolution at Edinburgh University is one of the contributors to that piece. There are some seriously clever folk in this city.