The generic Hearts thread

[Ronniekirk]

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A lot of rumours it is Sevco.


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If they are given money given thier overspending it would be wrong imo



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[Waxy]

To get the SPL league payout the clubs will have to accept their finishing position.Doubt any club can afford not to now.

[HibbySpurs]

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Just came across this on a Celtic forum. No idea how accurate it is (the guy who originally posted it on Twitter acknowledged it was rough estimates) but if it’s hearts that don’t have insurance, then I’d imagine bums will be twitching!


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Of course there is no verifying how accurate the table is but if it's anywhere near correct it is pleasing to see that our club is run well within it's means and the long term stability of the club is the ethos of it's stewards. We on the basis of this will be ok for 6 months although none of us want to see the clubs capital dwindle away due to enforced shut down.

Look at the two clubs who appear to be in the most precarious position, one is a phoenix club from an older liquidated club and the other has only recently endured points deductions for going into administration due to financial mismanagement. It is apparent neither of these clubs have learned a single thing from these experiences and continue to sail close to the wind with no "rainy day money" whatsoever.... Well, unfortunately for them (and the rest of football generally) the heavens have just opened and it's pouring down and is likely to do so for a while yet.

It will be interesting to see what sort of shape these two clubs come out of this current crisis in.

[Seveno]

It remains to be seen which clubs actually have Business Interruption Insurance that will respond to this eventuality. Standard policies tend to list the diseases and only those with a good Broker will be likely to have the wider cover that responds to any notifiable disease (which has been declared by the Govt).

[Ozyhibby]

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It remains to be seen which clubs actually have Business Interruption Insurance that will respond to this eventuality. Standard policies tend to list the diseases and only those with a good Broker will be likely to have the wider cover that responds to any notifiable disease (which has been declared by the Govt).

I think that is why the clubs want the govt to forbid them from holding fixtures.


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[Jones28]

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Just came across this on a Celtic forum. No idea how accurate it is (the guy who originally posted it on Twitter acknowledged it was rough estimates) but if it’s hearts that don’t have insurance, then I’d imagine bums will be twitching!


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If bums are twitching at Tynecastle there will be diarrhoea sloshing about Ibrox.

[Springbank]

Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week

1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn

2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.

[The 90+2]

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Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week

1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn

2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.

Why would the league give hearts prize money if they have shown their intentions to use it to draw up legal action against the same body? I’m thinking terms and conditions of an early payout will be agreeing to the decision. No agreement by any club, no payout, just in case they have to compensate Dundee Utd.

Good second point mind you. I think the players will have to take reduced terms or leave and not be kicked out due to relegation though - who is going to give any of they huddies contracts at this time when everyone is struggling?

I think hearts will agree to a large parachute payment then come out with some **** about not taking legal action in these times trying to get some moral victory.

[The 90+2]

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If bums are twitching at Tynecastle there will be diarrhoea sloshing about Ibrox.

Probably why they will want the season ended ASAP - to start selling season tickets for next year and ask UEFA for their prize money for Europa league.

[sean04]

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Probably why they will want the season ended ASAP - to start selling season tickets for next year and ask UEFA for their prize money for Europa league.

If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both ways

[The 90+2]

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If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both ways

Correct. That’s my theory as to why they have been quiet as anything and hearts are the club that wants the season void.

[Jones28]

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If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both ways

That’s my query too, how can prize money be awarded for a competition that was effectively cancelled?

[Wakeyhibee]

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If the season is null and void do they get Europa money? Surely can’t get it both ways

Will UEFA not have to reimburse their sponsors and TV deals?

[Joe6-2]

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Precisely. How self obsessed and small minded would the yams look by dragging this through the courts at a time of global crisis to try and avoid a spell in the Championship? You'd have thought a 'great businesswoman' would be able to see the bigger picture.

If only they had one

[The 90+2]

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That’s my query too, how can prize money be awarded for a competition that was effectively cancelled?

They won’t want the Europa league voided. That’s the point of them now signing from the rooftops already.

[jacomo]

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Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week

1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn

2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.

And two likely problems:

1. She forgot to organise insurance (just as she forgot to order the seats)

2. Not all contracts have relegation clauses and she has no idea what the likely liability is.

The media loves to praise Budge’s business acumen, but all the evidence from her time at Hearts is a woman who became very wealthy after good fortune and is now way out of her depth.

I’m not sure the Jambos have much to feel confident about.

[The 90+2]

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And two likely problems:

1. She forgot to organise insurance (just as she forgot to order the seats)

2. Not all contracts have relegation clauses and she has no idea what the likely liability is.

The media loves to praise Budge’s business acumen, but all the evidence from her time at Hearts is a woman who became very wealthy after good fortune and is no way out of her depth.

I’m not sure the Jambos have much to feel confident about.

She thought Levein was the messiah, he loves himself and was director of football - why on earth in that case would he insist on relegation clauses for all the diddies he signed? “Right Craig, I know we are looking to challenge Celtic this year but in case we come bottom make sure we can release Damour or Uche on half wages please”

[sean04]

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That’s my query too, how can prize money be awarded for a competition that was effectively cancelled?

Rangers need to decide between wanting the season voided and nothing is won and no prize money awarded or concede the title to Celtic. A lot of there fans want the season voided to stop 9 in a row but without thinking it thru they could put themselves in a horrible financial situation. Who represents Scotland in Europe next season? If the season is voided then nobody has qualified

[malcolm]

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And two likely problems:

1. She forgot to organise insurance (just as she forgot to order the seats)

2. Not all contracts have relegation clauses and she has no idea what the likely liability is.

The media loves to praise Budge’s business acumen, but all the evidence from her time at Hearts is a woman who became very wealthy after good fortune and is now way out of her depth.

I’m not sure the Jambos have much to feel confident about.

How any regulation is drafted would be relevant. They may apply from the expected end of season not at the point when a relegation spot is certain. This would give the to be emptied manager the certainty of income up to the expected end of the season. We are in unprecedented territory but a clause that is written so can be activated from a certain date, e.g. say a review in May rather than from when regulation applies at an undefined season end date would not help dr budge however much she’d like to wash her hands of expensive staff.

[The 90+2]

Budge knows:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...-take-21702224

“We’ve already made our feelings known to the spfl in a non-pushy way (although now threatening legal action)”. = we are running to the media now because we aren’t going to get it our way and now putting pressure on the league.

[Ozyhibby]

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Budge knows:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...-take-21702224

“We’ve already made our feelings known to the spfl in a non-pushy way (although now threatening legal action)”. = we are running to the media now because we aren’t going to get it our way and now putting pressure on the league.

Last paragraph tells you she knows they are toast.


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[jacomo]

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Budge knows:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...-take-21702224

“We’ve already made our feelings known to the spfl in a non-pushy way (although now threatening legal action)”. = we are running to the media now because we aren’t going to get it our way and now putting pressure on the league.

Oh wow.

Even with her record, Budge is about to make her biggest mistake so far.

Is she really going to drag the SPFL through the courts on this, holding up a resolution and financial settlement for all the other clubs?

I know she is a fool, but I didn’t know she was this much of a fool.

[EskbankHibby]

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Two good reasons why Ann Budge would potentially welcome Hearts being relegated by the League this week

1) Hearts get the prize money in, which keeps them afloat til the autumn

2) All those players & coaches with relegation clauses are immediately off the payroll, making the prize money go a lot further, keeping them alive as a club when sport resumes later in the year.

And:

3) Relegation becomes somebody else's fault. We do know how our Gorgie chums love to abdicate responsibility (see Poppy foundation, Hearts Community Trust, Scottish Ambulance Service etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc)

[matty_f]

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Last paragraph tells you she knows they are toast.


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I hope Dundee United are prepared to go to court if they're refused promotion, in that case.

[Bostonhibby]

They've been toast since before Budge appointed Desperate Dan, his track record sealed it and their league position is going to see them deservedly relegated.

Every other team in the country is affected by Coronavirus the same way and it's telling who the loudest bleaters are. Shameless and entitled, the good doctor is making sevconians look dignified.

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[theonlywayisup]

Totally hypothetical question................

Had Hertz beaten St. Mirren 1-0, instead of losing 1-0, both teams would have been on 26 points with a goal difference of -19, but Hertz would have been above St. Mirren having scored 32 goals to the Saint's 23. I wonder what Ms Budge would have said then.

[Waxy]

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Totally hypothetical question................

Had Hertz beaten St. Mirren 1-0, instead of losing 1-0, both teams would have been on 26 points with a goal difference of -19, but Hertz would have been above St. Mirren having scored 32 goals to the Saint's 23. I wonder what Ms Budge would have said then.

Let me guess?
Off with St Mirrens heads she cries.

[Bostonhibby]

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Totally hypothetical question................

Had Hertz beaten St. Mirren 1-0, instead of losing 1-0, both teams would have been on 26 points with a goal difference of -19, but Hertz would have been above St. Mirren having scored 32 goals to the Saint's 23. I wonder what Ms Budge would have said then.

Would never have happened if Craig Levein had been in charge?

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[jacomo]

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They've been toast since before Budge appointed Desperate Dan, his track record sealed it and their league position is going to see them deservedly relegated.

Every other team in the country is affected by Coronavirus the same way and it's telling who the loudest bleaters are. Shameless and entitled, the good doctor is making sevconians look dignified.

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It’s the heroic sacrifice made by Hearts that really swells the chest and brings a tear to the eye... a century on from that magnificent gesture, once again Hearts put the country ahead of their own self-interest...

What?! They are bleating about relegation despite being, by any measure, the worst team in the top flight?

Oh. I see.

[hibeerealist]

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I hope Dundee United are prepared to go to court if they're refused promotion, in that case.

No need Matty, Promotion and Relegation should be announced in next 48 hours. Clubs already know their individual and collective position. PM (Boris) to announce to public (all agreed with FIFA / UEFA) which takes onus off the respective football associations and Business Interruption Insurance will kick in (for those that have it, saw somebody had been told one club in SPL does not have it surely no).

The governments everywhere have more on their plate to worry about than who gets relegated from the SPL!!!

This Virus is massive and we are in unprecedented territory, millions will die and EVERYONE's life will change, at least temporarily. Budge/Hertz will not be taking any legal action expect confirmation on league positions within 48 hours.