The generic Hearts thread

[Bostonhibby]

They should definitely close the season now and relegate the thieves. It will then give the Duncans the chance to bleat that they weren't really relegated and they might even be able sing about it in at Morton, Partick and Dunfermline.

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[Jim44]

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https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...celtic-hearts/

Hearts being relegated, quick decision being made so end of season payments can be made to help clubs survive.

Sounds fine to me. I don’t see where BoJo fits in to any possible football decision making tho’.

Ps Just noticed that KB are now discussing this ....... dismissing it a ‘Sun *****’.

[Ozyhibby]

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Would it be up to each individual football association to decide how to play it or would UEFA have the final say?

Genuine question.

The Spfl rules state that the decision on ending the season rests with the spfl board.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Sounds fine to me. I don’t see where BoJo fits in to any possible football decision making tho’.

Ps Just noticed that KB are now discussing this ....... dismissing it a ‘Sun *****’.

The SPFL need the govt to order the stop so that they can trigger insurance and officially end the league. Without an official order they would be open to legal challenge. The SPFL and EPL will be asking the govt for this so they can get on with distributing money and planning for next season.


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[rossevenil]

Apparently reading the article if Bojo cancels the season it would trigger club insurances for the bigger teams and enable them to claim money back from that as its a Government shutdown as opposed to
the association shutting down??

[Captain Trips]

So relegate all the clubs in bottom 3 of each league in UK? What if some of those clubs had a game in hand that moved them out if won or drew?

It's an utter nonsense to make such decisions now.

[CentreLine]

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I think the decision will be taken early as some teams especially Hearts are likely to launch some sort of legal challenge against the decision but if the league believes their rules have them covered they’ll go for it early to get any challenge dismissed so the new season can commence in good time.

Just my thinking though.

Is it not the case that a legal challenge against the governing body is against UEFA rules results in removal of license to play? Or is that only if the case is against the SFA?

[Ozyhibby]

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So relegate all the clubs in bottom 3 of each league in UK? What if some of those clubs had a game in hand that moved them out if won or drew?

It's an utter nonsense to make such decisions now.

It’s only nonsense if you think this virus is nothing to worry about and we should restart football? Otherwise, football is gone until at least July. The clubs can’t afford to start the new season late because that’s when their income comes in so the need this season finished. It all makes perfect sense.


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[Kojock]

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Has this news been picked up on kickback yet?

They are threatening to take legal action if they are relegated. Here’s one of the stranger posts.

I'll accept relegation with no further games played if they also retrospectively award us the title for when our players signed up for the Great War.

[matty_f]

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So relegate all the clubs in bottom 3 of each league in UK? What if some of those clubs had a game in hand that moved them out if won or drew?

It's an utter nonsense to make such decisions now.

If you use average points it deals with the games in hand arguement.

I get that it's going to feel unfair on some clubs but there needs to be a conclusion and the will be winners and losers with that.

[greenginger]

Checking the SPFL rules, page 32 rule C16,

” At the end of each season ( following the completion of all league matches in the Premiership in that season ) the club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated. ............. “

I’m sure claims that relegation can’t happen unless all fixtures are played.


I can see a 14 team premier league fudge next season.

[Since452]

Hearts can feel agrived all they want but they've only got themselves to blame for being four points adrift and the worst team in the league for well over a year

[JohnM1875]

We'll obviously follow what happens in the EPL. As we always do. And just can't see them saying bottom three are relegated.

Villa have a game in hand which could see them safe and Bournemouth are in the bottom three of goal difference!

[HibbySpurs]

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Checking the SPFL rules, page 32 rule C16,

” At the end of each season ( following the completion of all league matches in the Premiership in that season ) the club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated. ............. “

I’m sure claims that relegation can’t happen unless all fixtures are played.


I can see a 14 team premier league fudge next season.

That rule is so open to interpretation though. The rule does not specify a number, it simply says “following the completion of all league matches in the premiership in that season”

If the league says all league matches are now complete and the season is over the can relegate the 12th placed team.

[Hibs4185]

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That rule is so open to interpretation though. The rule does not specify a number, it simply says “following the completion of all league matches in the premiership in that season”

If the league says all league matches are now complete and the season is over the can relegate the 12th placed team.

I think there is a rule defining a season which says when the first competitive game is played until the last competitive game or when the committee decides. Something like that.

I’m other words, the committee can define that the 19/20 season ends when they like and therefore when that newly defined season is complete, the bottom club at that time can be relegated.

Pretty straight forward

[greenginger]

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That rule is so open to interpretation though. The rule does not specify a number, it simply says “following the completion of all league matches in the premiership in that season”

If the league says all league matches are now complete and the season is over the can relegate the 12th placed team.

Yep , take you’re point . If the rule had said “ fixtures “ instead of “ matches” it might have strengthened their case against relegation.

[Bostonhibby]

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They are threatening to take legal action if they are relegated. Here’s one of the stranger posts.

I'll accept relegation with no further games played if they also retrospectively award us the title for when our players signed up for the Great War.

There's be about 200 champions if they decided to award titles to the clubs whose players fought for their country.

Relegating teams that spent cash that belonged to charities seems fair enough though.

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[BS44]

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...oposed-2450962

No relegation from any of our leagues a more likely compromise?

[Greenworld]

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https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...oposed-2450962

No relegation from any of our leagues a more likely compromise?

This won't happen majority of teams against it

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[HFC93]

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Checking the SPFL rules, page 32 rule C16,

” At the end of each season ( following the completion of all league matches in the Premiership in that season ) the club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated. ............. “

I’m sure claims that relegation can’t happen unless all fixtures are played.


I can see a 14 team premier league fudge next season.

Why 14? Dundee and Ayr will rightly argue that Inverness are only in a play-off spot.

They won't expand the league because it will compromise the four Old Firm games a season.

[Ozyhibby]

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Checking the SPFL rules, page 32 rule C16,

” At the end of each season ( following the completion of all league matches in the Premiership in that season ) the club in position 12 in the Premiership shall be relegated. ............. “

I’m sure claims that relegation can’t happen unless all fixtures are played.


I can see a 14 team premier league fudge next season.

“Season means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first League Match in a Season and ending on the date of the last League Match in the same Season or otherwise as determined by the Board and which excludes the Close Season”.


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[Man Down Under]

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https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...oposed-2450962

No relegation from any of our leagues a more likely compromise?

Probably the fairest way tbf. Although it's a bit sad that people have no problem giving the title to the team at the top of the table but have a problem relegating the bottom team, it's ultimately the same rules that decide both outcomes. There's a whiff of hypocrisy about it.

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[Joe6-2]

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So relegate all the clubs in bottom 3 of each league in UK? What if some of those clubs had a game in hand that moved them out if won or drew?

It's an utter nonsense to make such decisions now.

It’s a without precedent situation

[Joe6-2]

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They are threatening to take legal action if they are relegated. Here’s one of the stranger posts.

I'll accept relegation with no further games played if they also retrospectively award us the title for when our players signed up for the Great War.

They make me sick with this p*sh, were they the only team who’s players fought in the war???
Absolute b*llends

[Jim44]

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https://www.scotsman.com/sport/footb...oposed-2450962

No relegation from any of our leagues a more likely compromise?

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This won't happen majority of teams against it

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Why 14? Dundee and Ayr will right argue that Inverness are only in a play-off spot.

They won't expand the league because it will compromise the four Old Firm games a season.

I’ve suspected all along that this would be deemed the most ‘inoffensive’ solution. Because the situation is so serious and unprecedented, the Dundee/Ayr objections and more so, the Old Firm 4 games per season will be given the bum’s rush for a period of time anyway ( every cloud has a silver lining ). Let’s face it, expansion of the league has been debated for long enough and cowtowing to the Old Firm has prevailed. This might be a chance to really reconstruct the leagues.

[Eyrie]

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As would we if we were in their position.

Let’s be honest here. We wouldn’t be nearly as pragmatic if it was us in their position.

Only because we'd be the relegated club, and that self interest would distort our view of what is fair.

If the bottom three read St Mirren 29, Ross County 29 and Hamilton 27, then we'd agree that the sensible thing to do is relegate the bottom club when they have already had 30 games to save themselves.

[Ozyhibby]

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I’ve suspected all along that this would be deemed the most ‘inoffensive’ solution. Because the situation is so serious and unprecedented, the Dundee/Ayr objections and more so, the Old Firm 4 games per season will be given the bum’s rush for a period of time anyway ( every cloud has a silver lining ). Let’s face it, expansion of the league has been debated for long enough and cowtowing to the Old Firm has prevailed. This might be a chance to really reconstruct the leagues.

Not a chance the clubs risk that tv deal. They are desperate for the cash.


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[Tug Wilson]

If the league is decided on average points then St Johnstone would be in 6th and we would be 7th. So a decision to end the league now would cost us prize money.

However I still think that we this should be the way forward.

Null and voiding the season is just a nonsense decision. We are over 75% of the way through the season.

Hearts fans are just grabbing any liferaft that will stop them sinking. I bet if Hamilton were bottom they would all be saying tough and good riddance.

The situation is completely unprecedented. Whatever decision is made there will be disgruntled clubs and fans.

[hibeerealist]

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If St Mirren effectively ensure Hearts relegation on top of their efforts in 1986 plus the League Cup win under Danny Lennon they should be given a guard of honour every time they grace Easter Road with their presence.

Bravo CS lets get this in place, can we no just borrow the Buddies team for Derbies as well??!!

Great idea you have a seconder!

[hibeerealist]

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Would it be up to each individual football association to decide how to play it or would UEFA have the final say?

Genuine question.

I think most of the Football Associations are looking for FIFA/UEFA to make the decision as it takes away the flak they may/will receive in their respective countries.

TOO much money at stake here expect a decision VERY soon and it will be season finished league positions as they are (they will need to come up with a solution/formula for play offs but that is the LEAST of their problems and will get sorted). Current leaders - Champions, current bottom side(s) relegated.