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I’d take great exception to moving down to the lower tier and swapping that with my great seat - which is further from the potential bad weather, has a great view and is not squeezed into a narrower space. I appreciate the option to move for cup games but am disinclined to do so.
Why do folk want to close the west upper for some cup games? Is to try and force an ‘atmosphere’ or to look good for the cameras? If it is the former then they are flogging a horse well beyond rigour mortis - there has not really been an ‘atmosphere’ in the west since the old north wing standees could stamp their feet.Moving folk down from the tier above will not change that.
Custom and practice is that you can have your season seat for cup games which has been the case from when cup games were removed from the season ticket.
The atmosphere that folk are looking to return is one rooted in the ability to stand and congregate together as desired. The fan influenced choice of a single tier east stand in retrospect was a mistake not just for the lengthy time to exit but the steepness makes it harder for a standing area to be placed there, i.e. where the atmosphere had naturally occurred in particular after the ‘benching’ of the cave behind the goals.
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24-02-2020 03:48 PM #241
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24-02-2020 03:48 PM #242
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You’re not seriously suggesting that the club will just throw something together in August and hope for the best?
And anyway as has been pointed out Friday is a big match, the sort that could determine how many season ticket holders we have next year (particularly if we make a final). The club has a chance to give Hibs an edge (open to debate how big this edge is but I think it’s a significant one personally) by putting our most active, loudest support right behind the goals. It works across Britain and Europe, and it could be a difference maker on Friday.
The fact that it’s not looking likely to happen because maybe twenty season ticket holders in the FF Lower have some slavish devotion to sitting in their bit of plastic is a testament to Hibs’ priorities being completely wrong. Give the young team a section in the lower for the night and let them crack on with it. Simple as.
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24-02-2020 03:48 PM #243
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24-02-2020 03:50 PM #245
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Just IMO.
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24-02-2020 03:52 PM #247
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We all like to see the high season ticket numbers, we want to encourage a new generation of fans - family areas and family pricing are part of that.
Empty seats are an issue if they aren't sold - these are largely sold. It is only going to be an issue when fans that want to come to games can't get a ticket. Even then, if that's the case - buy a season ticket when you get a chance.
It has been covered lots of times on here - families don't always go, it's not always the same ones that are empty - that's just the way it is. I wouldn't discourage people from buying season tickets so that the odd walk up on a very rare occasion that they can't get a ticket has an issue. How many genuine full sell outs have we had?
I bought my daughter a season ticket in the East when she was 2. That was 10 years ago, when we had basically the whole block to ourselves because it was empty back then. I still buy that season ticket every year. She's been to about 2 games a season on average and it is empty the rest of the time. There will be a lit of similar situations, more concentrated in that family area.
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24-02-2020 03:53 PM #248
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It used to be good a few years ago, mind. It’s not like this is an impossible task to make it decent again
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24-02-2020 03:54 PM #249This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
"The club" verbally agreed according to a good source.
It's a perfect hibs.net FACT.
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And now they’ve decided they don’t like that place, then some people would like to see more long standing season ticket holders punted out their seats to make way for where they want to go this time.
Bottom line is, the atmosphere in the stadium is dictated largely by what’s going on on the pitch. The ground will be noisier when the team is doing a lot of attacking and playing good football.
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To be fair to those pushing for it, we only need to look at a club like Killie or Aberdeen who've tried something like this recently.
Killie installed 300 or so safe standing seats behind the goals and now their home is a fortress, I could barely hear the BT sports commentators when we went down there. It obviously works as well, as we didn't come away with any points from that game.
Looking at the Aberdeen example, which is probably closer to what people are suggesting and look how well it worked for them. They had 6th place in league 1 Dumbarton and trialled putting everyone behind the one goal - end result - a fenerbache like atmosphere which roared the dons on to a huge win.
In addition, look at the average attendances for both clubs since then too - Through the roof.Last edited by Onceinawhile; 24-02-2020 at 04:22 PM.
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24-02-2020 03:56 PM #252
We either have an entitled section of the support who pursues their own priorities without the support of the club, or
We have a club that doesn’t take the time to think through what they allow fans to try out and too late realise that they just can’t tear up their own ground rules.
Personally I don’t buy the idea that the fans are at fault here (either those trying to move the singing section or those that had bought tickets as normal).
What we have is another example of a Director of the club stepping into a vacuum left by the SLO.
Hopefully the plans that are about to be announced address this.
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24-02-2020 03:57 PM #254
I am 100% in favour of moving the singing section to FF lower but I don't think the club should be in for criticism when there's no evidence to suggest that for Friday there was ever actually a properly planned out strategy for moving them down there (including removal of ticket restrictions), bar someone on here posting that they 'heard through the grapevine' that the club agreed to it and have now backed down.
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24-02-2020 03:58 PM #255
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We’re at risk of seeing the 2/300 up there packing it in completely then we’ll be even worse off than we are now which is unimaginable given how good the atmosphere only 3 seasons ago.
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I'd be pissed off if you told me to move to somewhere I didn't want to go because someone who might not even have a ST wanted to sit there.
I don't read many people arguing that the status quo should be maintained indefinitely, but there's a way to do this, and the current suggestion isn't it.
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Also, they wouldn’t have to sit in the last row of any lower tier, they could literally pick 90% of the seats as less than 10% have purchased a seat in the priority window, presumably much less than this are season ticket holders buying their own seat as some sold will be walk up supporters.
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24-02-2020 04:01 PM #258
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This thought that atmospheres need to be co-ordinated and accompanied by drums and so on is a bit odd. 4 or 5 of us together used to start songs left, right and centre from under the gantry back in the day.
If you are starting stuff folk know it takes off - if you are expecting whole stands to pick up the new tune of the day then it will be a non starter. The classics were all there for a reason!
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Everyone packed in tightly with no massive spaces in between leads to a better atmosphere as it suddenly feels fuller.
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I've given this thread a miss, as I'm one of those that has a seat in the FFL. To be honest, I can't be bothered with entering into the debate, as I know I'll be shouted down.
My tuppence worth is that I would happily relocate from the FFL, however when I check to see what seats are currently available it's all single seats that's no use for my party of five. I'm sure that's the same with the family beside me, who have six tickets and those in front of me with four, and those beside them that have five etc etc. Yes, there's probably seats in the far ends of the East and West, but there's a reason no-one buys these seats - the view is rubbish.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if I was moved from our seats in the FFL I would probably not renew my party of five tickets. I like my seats and have built up a great friendship will the people beside me. If I was moved, I would likely pick and choose which games I go to and where I sit. The net result would be the loss of five season tickets, albeit the majority being kids.
No doubt I'll get the "but think about the atmosphere, that's what matters" response, which is why I'll abstain from this thread.
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24-02-2020 04:16 PM #264
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Yes, the singing section made a mistake moving (although that was influenced by some people attaching themselves to the group and causing trouble), but that doesn’t mean they should be stuck there “because it will upset fans if they move again”
Truthfully, I do not care if a few fans are upset about losing their seat, I do not care one bit. It doesn’t influence the team’s performance on the pitch, which atmosphere actually does. So yes, I would move every family who didn’t want to sing, there are plenty of places in the ground for that. There are only one or two logical places for a singing section to be situated, and behind the goals is one of them
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I'd be surprised if most of our support were even aware we had a Supporter Liaison Officer, that says a lot in itself.
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I’d be furious if I was forced to move elsewhere, and given that I have really good folk around me – and that wouldn’t be guaranteed if I had to move, then maybe I’d reconsider renewing.
As it happens, my seat isn’t “in danger” as I am not far away from the current location of the SS guys and gals. To be honest, they don’t really make the ‘atmosphere’ any more exciting than it was previously before they re-located. I couldn’t really hear them when they were in the East, and now that I can ………… well…….. I’m ambivalent.
It’s great stuff ‘standing up if you hate the Hearts’ when your knees don’t complain about it.
I can well understand other folk also getting a bit miffed if they are forced to move away from what may be a ‘comfort zone’ and end up sitting within earshot of some walloper dishing out the abuse to our players.
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All clubs give their ST members first refusal to buy their own seat for cup games and rightly so.
They're valuable to the club and should be treated as such.
What you're suggesting would be a huge, self defeating mistake and it just won't happen.
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