The generic Hearts thread

[Brunswickbill]

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No it is not. I was involved in a l in ate offer to the Lithuanian creditors and they were interested. It would have topped the Budge offer. They were clearly not acting under the then first ministers influence. Can remember all the shenanigans around planning permission and restrictions at Tynecastle at the time to indicate no planning permission would be given for housing or a supermarket.

AFAIK there is no planning reason why Tynecastle Park would have special protection under planning legislation. Hertz supporters and local and national politicians would have fought against redevelopment but I don’t think that refusal of planning consent for a suitable use could have been refused on the basis of the need to retain the football stadium. From a planning viewpoint a perfectly good alternative was available nearby at Murrayfield. The Lithuanians were probably led to believe that the stadium could not be redeveloped but a determined developer could have been successful in my view.

[Peevemor]

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AFAIK there is no planning reason why Tynecastle Park would have special protection under planning legislation. Hertz supporters and local and national politicians would have fought against redevelopment but I don’t think that refusal of planning consent for a suitable use could have been refused on the basis of the need to retain the football stadium. From a planning viewpoint a perfectly good alternative was available nearby at Murrayfield. The Lithuanians were probably led to believe that the stadium could not be redeveloped but a determined developer could have been successful in my view.

Exactly, and the land could easily have been bought by a developer or investment fund who were willing to sit on it until such time that any public furore had died down and a profit could be made. Land is "banked" all the time.

[Caversham Green]

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What’s the chances they spoil things for all clubs with this mystery benefactor thing? How are saidbenefactors injecting monies into the club and how is that treated from a tax perspective? Is it a mechanism for injecting cash into the club at a reduced rate of tax?

A note in their accounts states:

'Tax effect of income not taxable in determining taxable profit £347' (that's in thousands) and the comparative figure for the previous year was £363,000. That can only be in relation to the donations, so yes, they have avoided tax to the tune of £710,000 over the last two years through receiving 'non-business' income.

Some might say they are still at it now.

[FilipinoHibs]

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AFAIK there is no planning reason why Tynecastle Park would have special protection under planning legislation. Hertz supporters and local and national politicians would have fought against redevelopment but I don’t think that refusal of planning consent for a suitable use could have been refused on the basis of the need to retain the football stadium. From a planning viewpoint a perfectly good alternative was available nearby at Murrayfield. The Lithuanians were probably led to believe that the stadium could not be redeveloped but a determined developer could have been successful in my view.

But would have suffered a lot of bad will and intimidation from half of the city. I don't think any developer would have wanted to take the risk of failure. Hearts would have been dead as the Lithuanian creditors would not have accepted the offer from the administrators and forced Hearts into liquidation. They would then have inherited the stadium and sold it to a developer. I don't think the developer would get a very warm reception from the council or half the city. Not good for PR or sales. Hearts would have to be reformed and work their way up the leagues.

It was not like the Pie Man's deal where the sale of Tynecastle was to save the club from bankruptcy and they could have continued as Hearts in the top league playing at Murrayfield.

[Brunswickbill]

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But would have suffered a lot of bad will and intimidation from half of the city. I don't think any developer would have wanted to take the risk of failure. Hearts would have been dead as the Lithuanian creditors would not have accepted the offer from the administrators and forced Hearts into liquidation. They would then have inherited the stadium and sold it to a developer. I don't think the developer would get a very warm reception from the council or half the city. Not good for PR or sales. Hearts would have to be reformed and work their way up the leagues.

It was not like the Pie Man's deal where the sale of Tynecastle was to save the club from bankruptcy and they could have continued as Hearts in the top league playing at Murrayfield.

My experience of developers is that few of them are shrinking violets. For the vast majority profit is what counts and they are happy to see off local opposition if there’s sufficient profit on the horizon. As Peevemor says above a developer or investment company would have bought the site, if need be leave it empty for a while then claim it was dangerous and have to have it demolished. Who knows the old stand might have mysteriously caught fire. Once it had gone the opposition would dissipate. It’s a script that has been played out many times. Meanwhile the value of the site would continue to rise.

[hibeerealist]

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No it is not. I was involved in a late offer to the Lithuanian creditors and they were interested. It would have topped the Budge offer. They were clearly not acting under the then first ministers influence. Can remember all the shenanigans around planning permission and restrictions at Tynecastle at the time to indicate no planning permission would be given for housing or a supermarket.

Of course the Liths would not disclose any details of what AS and his cohorts could possibly do to help their other businesses in Edinburgh, such as the planned Bank etc???

This would all be dependent on the £2.25 being accepted for Homfc/Tiny!!!

[Deansy]

Ffs people, this is totally off-topic and entirely pedantic but can we stop this craze of the wrong usage of 'There' and 'Their' - it's doing ma nut in ! Starting to make posters on 'Throw-back'/'moron-media' look semi-intelligent !

[Hibbyradge]

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Ffs people, this is totally off-topic and entirely pedantic but can we stop this craze of the wrong usage of 'There' and 'Their' - it's doing ma nut in ! Starting to make posters on 'Throw-back'/'moron-media' look semi-intelligent !

They're worse ...

[TrinityHibs]

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No it is not. I was involved in a late offer to the Lithuanian creditors and they were interested. It would have topped the Budge offer. They were clearly not acting under the then first ministers influence. Can remember all the shenanigans around planning permission and restrictions at Tynecastle at the time to indicate no planning permission would be given for housing or a supermarket.

I would love to see the letter from the Council confirming that they were going to ignore the Planning system and pre-determine an application before it was submitted and then have the councillors agree to their recommendation.

[JXM73]

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Ffs people, this is totally off-topic and entirely pedantic but can we stop this craze of the wrong usage of 'There' and 'Their' - it's doing ma nut in ! Starting to make posters on 'Throw-back'/'moron-media' look semi-intelligent !

Their really is know knead to moan about peoples deficiencies, its know theyre fault the english language is so prophylactic...

[G B Young]

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Exactly, and the land could easily have been bought by a developer or investment fund who were willing to sit on it until such time that any public furore had died down and a profit could be made. Land is "banked" all the time.

Did Stewart Milne the ex-Aberdeen chairman not put in a bid to buy the stadium with a view to knocking it down for a housing development? Or was that when the pie man was in charge? Either way, it's not true to suggest the site couldn't be developed.

[Ozyhibby]

The Lithuanian company was in admin as well. There was only one firm offer on the table and that was from FOH and Budge. I can totally see why an administrator would take it. They are not in the property speculation game. Had they not taken it and then failed to get as much on the open market they could have opened themselves up to legal problems. When companies go into admin, assets get sold at knock down prices, that’s just a fact of life. The administrator is looking for cash quickly, first of all to make sure he gets paid. There were no other offers on the table for Tynecastle. That’s just a fact.


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[Peevemor]

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Did Stewart Milne the ex-Aberdeen chairman not put in a bid to buy the stadium with a view to knocking it down for a housing development? Or was that when the pie man was in charge? Either way, it's not true to suggest the site couldn't be developed.

A deal was agreed between the pieman and Cala Homes which would have gone ahead had Vlad not stepped in.

[Bostonhibby]

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A deal was agreed between the pieman and Cala Homes which would have gone ahead had Vlad not stepped in.

They should sell up now, they'd probably get a couple of hundred million for the lot when you consider one half built stand seems to be worth nearly £20m

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[The Count]

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A deal was agreed between the pieman and Cala Homes which would have gone ahead had Vlad not stepped in.

Cala building in Gorgie next to a chemical plant????

[Peevemor]

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Cala building in Gorgie next to a chemical plant????

Yes.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...=1#post6089684

[Aldo]

So following on from yesterday’s discussion with the office Duncan, lunchtime today was a hoot.

High Press: well no other team in the league (possibly barring the ugly west coast sisters) have the squad or manager to make this work EXCEPT the Hearts. Their squad has been trained in this technique daily and they are all well versed at what to do no one can cope with the pace of the attack.

I asked why they were bottom of the league and I’m still laughing now at the response.... on paper yes but they are easily top 2 or 3 material with regards the football they play, the squad they have and of course their top German coach!

Now I kid you not this boy is deadly serious to the point he’s totally deluded and has been brainwashed to believe the hype.

He doesn’t get they are bottom of the league because they are utter dross and are in with a real chance of relegation. O no, not a chance, false position and once the benefactors splash the cash in the summer they will be challenging on all fronts... dear o dear!!


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[Waxy]

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A deal was agreed between the pieman and Cala Homes which would have gone ahead had Vlad not stepped in.

Move forward years to liquidation and hearts are adamant that the tynecastle site is worthless as it cant be built on.

[Barman Stanton]

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So following on from yesterday’s discussion with the office Duncan, lunchtime today was a hoot.

High Press: well no other team in the league (possibly barring the ugly west coast sisters) have the squad or manager to make this work EXCEPT the Hearts. Their squad has been trained in this technique daily and they are all well versed at what to do no one can cope with the pace of the attack.

I asked why they were bottom of the league and I’m still laughing now at the response.... on paper yes but they are easily top 2 or 3 material with regards the football they play, the squad they have and of course their top German coach!

Now I kid you not this boy is deadly serious to the point he’s totally deluded and has been brainwashed to believe the hype.

He doesn’t get they are bottom of the league because they are utter dross and are in with a real chance of relegation. O no, not a chance, false position and once the benefactors splash the cash in the summer they will be challenging on all fronts... dear o dear!!


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Is this by chance a young Duncan? A lot of the young jambos know nothing other than the financial doping years. They are struggling to comprehend this 'living within your means' era where we are miles ahead of them and everyone is laughing at them.

[Deansy]

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So following on from yesterday’s discussion with the office Duncan, lunchtime today was a hoot.

High Press: well no other team in the league (possibly barring the ugly west coast sisters) have the squad or manager to make this work EXCEPT the Hearts. Their squad has been trained in this technique daily and they are all well versed at what to do no one can cope with the pace of the attack.

I asked why they were bottom of the league and I’m still laughing now at the response.... on paper yes but they are easily top 2 or 3 material with regards the football they play, the squad they have and of course their top German coach!

Now I kid you not this boy is deadly serious to the point he’s totally deluded and has been brainwashed to believe the hype.

He doesn’t get they are bottom of the league because they are utter dross and are in with a real chance of relegation. O no, not a chance, false position and once the benefactors splash the cash in the summer they will be challenging on all fronts... dear o dear!!


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Not on all fronts, just new ones - Alloa, QOS, Dunfermline etc, etc !

[Gordy M]

I actually went onto their fans forum......jeez, talk about obessed, kid you not, Hibs must get mentioned at least every 5 posts......its incredible.

What is quite funny, anyone who suggests that Herr Daniel isnt doing a good job or dares to suggest that he should be sacked is immediately rounded upon as a Hibs fan......why would any Hibs fan want him sacked??? One win in the league......he can stay as long as he keeps that record up.

[Peevemor]

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Move forward years to liquidation and hearts are adamant that the tynecastle site is worthless as it cant be built on.

There are some real gems from that era.

They've certainly changed their minds a good few times re. the pros & cons of Tynie.

Hearts plan big cover-up


Thu 18 Dec 2003 12.35 GMTFirst published on Thu 18 Dec 2003 12.35 GMT


Hearts today revealed they will attempt to hide any empty seating should they move to Murrayfield.


The debt-ridden Edinburgh club are keen to sell their Tynecastle home and groundshare at Scotland's national rugby union stadium.


Such a plan has already been condemned by the Federation of Hearts Supporters' Clubs, who claim the move would "decimate" the Jambos' following.


But chief executive Chris Robinson is determined to plough ahead and Hearts have released a detailed document condemning Tynecastle as "not fit for purpose".


However Hearts' average home crowd of around 12,000 would be swallowed up by a stadium that can hold more than 67,000.


The club plans to use only the lower tiers and the document reveals that cosmetic attempts to hide the unused seating have also been formulated.


It reads: "Should the club move to Murrayfield, we would look at ways of masking or blanking out the top tiers so that the impression of the stadium is much smaller and more compact."


Although the need to wipe out debts of more than £17m is the main reason for the desire to leave Tynecastle, there are additional reasons.


The 17,000-capacity ground features stands that are close to the pitch and while that creates a good atmosphere, new Uefa guidelines state that the current playing surface is too small for future European competition.


The document added: "Tynecastle, ironically, is much-loved by those in football precisely because it does not meet the regulations.


"The steep stands and closeness to a small, tight pitch create a unique atmosphere.


"Whatever the outcome, it is clear that the playing arena dimensions required will always mean that wherever the stadium is located or occupied, that atmosphere can never be recreated."


Robinson came under fire from former director Leslie Deans in recent weeks, with the latter urging fans to start a campaign to stay at Tynecastle.


But Hearts have argued that improvements would be just too expensive, and Robinson believes Murrayfield represents the best solution.


"Murrayfield has everything that can deliver viability to Hearts' business plan - corporate boxes, car parking, corporate facilities, space for perimeter advertising, seating without limited sight lines or restricted views, opportunities for licensed facilities," he said.


"Clearly it also has a significantly increased capacity. Many of the largest businesses in the world do not own their assets, but simply lease, rent or have arrangements to utilise them."

https://www.theguardian.com/football...wsstory.sport4

[Speedway]

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I actually went onto their fans forum......jeez, talk about obessed, kid you not, Hibs must get mentioned at least every 5 posts......its incredible.

What is quite funny, anyone who suggests that Herr Daniel isnt doing a good job or dares to suggest that he should be sacked is immediately rounded upon as a Hibs fan......why would any Hibs fan want him sacked??? One win in the league......he can stay as long as he keeps that record up.

Do they have a 140 page thread discussing us or are they not THAT obsessed?

[Gordy M]

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Do they have a 140 page thread discussing us or are they not THAT obsessed?

Nope .....but then what are they going to discuss?? How far ahead we are of them, how our stadium is bigger, crowds are bigger, how we have finished above them for 2 seasoms and now 3 times in a row, how we are challenging for Europe.......

I guarantee if we were in their position.....they wpuld have a 500 page thread on it....

But if you think we are more obessed......crack on.

[jacomo]

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Their really is know knead to moan about peoples deficiencies, its know theyre fault the english language is so prophylactic...

If I was King this would be a treasonable offence.

[Bostonhibby]

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So following on from yesterday’s discussion with the office Duncan, lunchtime today was a hoot.

High Press: well no other team in the league (possibly barring the ugly west coast sisters) have the squad or manager to make this work EXCEPT the Hearts. Their squad has been trained in this technique daily and they are all well versed at what to do no one can cope with the pace of the attack.

I asked why they were bottom of the league and I’m still laughing now at the response.... on paper yes but they are easily top 2 or 3 material with regards the football they play, the squad they have and of course their top German coach!

Now I kid you not this boy is deadly serious to the point he’s totally deluded and has been brainwashed to believe the hype.

He doesn’t get they are bottom of the league because they are utter dross and are in with a real chance of relegation. O no, not a chance, false position and once the benefactors splash the cash in the summer they will be challenging on all fronts... dear o dear!!


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Ask him if he's interested in a couple of grands worth of Vlad's special shares from that cash only issue I could do with a holiday so can let him have some if he's quick.

I've got a £4000 plastic owl he could have for £3999.99 if he's quick. Apparently it's the brother of the famous tiny castle one.

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[Bostonhibby]

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There are some real gems from that era.

They've certainly changed their minds a good few times re. the pros & cons of Tynie.

Hearts plan big cover-up


Thu 18 Dec 2003 12.35 GMTFirst published on Thu 18 Dec 2003 12.35 GMT


Hearts today revealed they will attempt to hide any empty seating should they move to Murrayfield.


The debt-ridden Edinburgh club are keen to sell their Tynecastle home and groundshare at Scotland's national rugby union stadium.


Such a plan has already been condemned by the Federation of Hearts Supporters' Clubs, who claim the move would "decimate" the Jambos' following.


But chief executive Chris Robinson is determined to plough ahead and Hearts have released a detailed document condemning Tynecastle as "not fit for purpose".


However Hearts' average home crowd of around 12,000 would be swallowed up by a stadium that can hold more than 67,000.


The club plans to use only the lower tiers and the document reveals that cosmetic attempts to hide the unused seating have also been formulated.


It reads: "Should the club move to Murrayfield, we would look at ways of masking or blanking out the top tiers so that the impression of the stadium is much smaller and more compact."


Although the need to wipe out debts of more than £17m is the main reason for the desire to leave Tynecastle, there are additional reasons.


The 17,000-capacity ground features stands that are close to the pitch and while that creates a good atmosphere, new Uefa guidelines state that the current playing surface is too small for future European competition.


The document added: "Tynecastle, ironically, is much-loved by those in football precisely because it does not meet the regulations.


"The steep stands and closeness to a small, tight pitch create a unique atmosphere.


"Whatever the outcome, it is clear that the playing arena dimensions required will always mean that wherever the stadium is located or occupied, that atmosphere can never be recreated."


Robinson came under fire from former director Leslie Deans in recent weeks, with the latter urging fans to start a campaign to stay at Tynecastle.


But Hearts have argued that improvements would be just too expensive, and Robinson believes Murrayfield represents the best solution.


"Murrayfield has everything that can deliver viability to Hearts' business plan - corporate boxes, car parking, corporate facilities, space for perimeter advertising, seating without limited sight lines or restricted views, opportunities for licensed facilities," he said.


"Clearly it also has a significantly increased capacity. Many of the largest businesses in the world do not own their assets, but simply lease, rent or have arrangements to utilise them."

https://www.theguardian.com/football...wsstory.sport4

Robertson was a man ahead of his time, and he told the truth here as well. He was never going to last.

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[greenlex]

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But would have suffered a lot of bad will and intimidation from half of the city. I don't think any developer would have wanted to take the risk of failure. Hearts would have been dead as the Lithuanian creditors would not have accepted the offer from the administrators and forced Hearts into liquidation. They would then have inherited the stadium and sold it to a developer. I don't think the developer would get a very warm reception from the council or half the city. Not good for PR or sales. Hearts would have to be reformed and work their way up the leagues.

It was not like the Pie Man's deal where the sale of Tynecastle was to save the club from bankruptcy and they could have continued as Hearts in the top league playing at Murrayfield.

Edinburgh is a cosmopolitan city. It’s the countries capital and internationally renowned. It doesn’t revolve round football. There would be literally dozens of developers that would have taken the land without batting an eyelid and would have seen any bad will as negligible.

[Hibs4185]

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No it is not. I was involved in a late offer to the Lithuanian creditors and they were interested. It would have topped the Budge offer. They were clearly not acting under the then first ministers influence. Can remember all the shenanigans around planning permission and restrictions at Tynecastle at the time to indicate no planning permission would be given for housing or a supermarket.

I know of an offer that was being prepared to buy it for £4 million in order to sell for housing. Bidders pulled the plug for a few reasons, but chiefly the administrators didn’t seem interested in any other offer than keeping it as a football club.

[Aldo]

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Is this by chance a young Duncan? A lot of the young jambos know nothing other than the financial doping years. They are struggling to comprehend this 'living within your means' era where we are miles ahead of them and everyone is laughing at them.

I would say he is and his constant denial sats it all imho!


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