Dental implants

[StevieC]

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Sorry just catching up. Flew out Sunday. Checkup and consultation on Monday. Two implants and a complicated extraction on the Tuesday. It took a little over an hour. Didn’t need to go back after that. I didn’t need any temporary dentures or anything as the implants were in spaces where i had lost teeth. I’m not sure that was normal but that was me done in two days . I’d had booked flights etc for a 5 day stay so did the sightseeing bit and flew back on the Friday night. Would probably needed a day or so for temp fittings if needed
Got stitches removed by my own dentist here a fortnight later.
I’m going back over I late Sept/Oct to get the abutments and bridgework done. (They don’t know yet but I’m going to get my current bridgework on existing implants replaced by them too) Definitely going back over to Budapest as the bridges etc are all made on site and any amendments or adjustments are only a floor away.

Made an enquiry with Kreativ and received their information email. Not had a chance to go through it yet but they were quick at following up my initial enquiry.

[H18BYM]

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Sorry just catching up. Flew out Sunday. Checkup and consultation on Monday. Two implants and a complicated extraction on the Tuesday. It took a little over an hour. Didn’t need to go back after that. I didn’t need any temporary dentures or anything as the implants were in spaces where i had lost teeth. I’m not sure that was normal but that was me done in two days . I’d had booked flights etc for a 5 day stay so did the sightseeing bit and flew back on the Friday night. Would probably needed a day or so for temp fittings if needed
Got stitches removed by my own dentist here a fortnight later.
I’m going back over I late Sept/Oct to get the abutments and bridgework done. (They don’t know yet but I’m going to get my current bridgework on existing implants replaced by them too) Definitely going back over to Budapest as the bridges etc are all made on site and any amendments or adjustments are only a floor away.

No worries, thanks for replying. The work I have planned sounds very similar to what you had done, so hope my itinerary works out similar. My wife has decided to get some teeth whitening done whilst we're there, so the costs are racking up! Looking forward to seeing what Budapest has to offer. So you had no long term pain from the work done and no issues from your own dentist when going to get the stiches removed?

[Smartie]

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No worries, thanks for replying. The work I have planned sounds very similar to what you had done, so hope my itinerary works out similar. My wife has decided to get some teeth whitening done whilst we're there, so the costs are racking up! Looking forward to seeing what Budapest has to offer. So you had no long term pain from the work done and no issues from your own dentist when going to get the stiches removed?

This is the bit you have to be a bit careful with.

Some dentists are better than others when it comes to this, and some have very strong views about patients going overseas to have treatment.

Most will be fine and remember - they have to work in your best interests at all times, otherwise they shouldn't be doing the job.

You can't really take for granted that your dentist will be co-operative though, even though they should.

[greenlex]

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No worries, thanks for replying. The work I have planned sounds very similar to what you had done, so hope my itinerary works out similar. My wife has decided to get some teeth whitening done whilst we're there, so the costs are racking up! Looking forward to seeing what Budapest has to offer. So you had no long term pain from the work done and no issues from your own dentist when going to get the stiches removed?

All good. The procedure.was no more uncomfortable than an extraction to be honest Stitches removal cost me £20 as he had to charge me private rates.😂. My dentist was great. Really interested in the work I’m getting done abroad. It may help that my dentist doesn’t do implants and refers to specialists.
Budapest is a good experience. It may have helped that it was full of Christmas Markets etc. I liked it. Prices about on par with here.
Ps I don’t drink so no idea about that tho.

[greenlex]

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Made an enquiry with Kreativ and received their information email. Not had a chance to go through it yet but they were quick at following up my initial enquiry.

Cant fault them so far Stevie. Very efficient if a little impersonal.

[Cataplana]

Just back from Malaga, there is a clinic there does the implant and the crown for 500 euros. Quite a difference from the figure my dentist here quoted of £10,000 for four, plus a new denture.

[Killiehibbie]

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Just back from Malaga, there is a clinic there does the implant and the crown for 500 euros. Quite a difference from the figure my dentist here quoted of £10,000 for four, plus a new denture.

That looks very cheap. Have you got the address?

[Cataplana]

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That looks very cheap. Have you got the address?

www.clinicamaxilofacialsk.com

Sorry, it's only in Spanish, but your browser should be able to translate. I'll be asking my dentist to explain the difference in cost.

Poland is also a cheap place to get it done. Worth a bit of research I think.

[StevieC]

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Cant fault them so far Stevie. Very efficient if a little impersonal.

Were you given options for implants (country of origin for implant)?

As I sometimes travel to Ukraine, as part of Dnipro Kids work, I am currently looking into options and costs there as well. It would be good to be able to try and compare them.

[Killiehibbie]

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www.clinicamaxilofacialsk.com

Sorry, it's only in Spanish, but your browser should be able to translate. I'll be asking my dentist to explain the difference in cost.

Poland is also a cheap place to get it done. Worth a bit of research I think.

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i asked a relative , who works in a dentists, why there is such a big price difference. The answer was Dentists earn more in this country. She told me just to make sure it's a good practice and the implants really are titanium.

[StevieC]

I’m finding out that there are different levels of titanium, and some of the cheaper ones contain materials that may be harmful long term. Ive been told to make sure it’s titanium Grade 4 and made in Europe (Switzerland/Germany).

[Cataplana]

What is the issue with Titanium. Is it about how long it lasts. At my age I'm not planning far beyond 25 years.

[Smartie]

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i asked a relative , who works in a dentists, why there is such a big price difference. The answer was Dentists earn more in this country. She told me just to make sure it's a good practice and the implants really are titanium.

Whilst it is probably true that dentists earn more in this country (the cost of living in this country is higher than in Hungary so you would probably expect that) there is massive variation between what dentists earn in this country - some earn eyewateringly high amounts and most earn fairly humble amounts.

Dental practices cost an absolute fortune to run. Regulation is very tight, we live in a very litigious society, rents and rates are generally high, and postgraduate education to learn about how to safely carry out advanced work such as implants costs a fortune. As a result there are a few more guarantees here (such as the issue regarding titanium in implants) that don't necessarily always exist in countries with different levels of regulation. An argument could be made that dentistry here is over-regulated - it is riddled with parasites - and lower regulation doesn't necessarily mean inferior treatment outcomes.

[Killiehibbie]

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I’m finding out that there are different levels of titanium, and some of the cheaper ones contain materials that may be harmful long term. Ive been told to make sure it’s titanium Grade 4 and made in Europe (Switzerland/Germany).

Looks like this is this grade we want.

http://www.supraalloys.com/titanium-grades.php
Ti 6AL-4V ELI (Grade 23)

Grade 23 Surgical Titanium

Ti 6AL-4V ELI, or Grade 23, is the higher purity version of Ti 6Al-4V. It can be made into coils, strands, wires or flat wires. It’s the top choice for any sort of situation where a combination of high strength, light weight, good corrosion resistance and high toughness are required. It has a superior damage tolerance to other alloys.
These benefits make Grade 23 the ultimate dental and medical titanium grade. It can be used in biomedical applications such as implantable components due to its biocompatibility, good fatigue strength and low modulus. It can also be used in detailed surgical procedures, as:

• Orthopedic pins and screws
• Orthopedic cables
• Ligature clips
• Surgical staples
• Springs
• Orthodontic appliances
• In joint replacements
• Cryogenic vessels
• Bone fixation devices

[StevieC]

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What is the issue with Titanium. Is it about how long it lasts. At my age I'm not planning far beyond 25 years.

Here is the information I received from a dentist ..

“ Of course all questions are important.

The best implants of the world’s market - Straumann. Main advantage is materials - Titanium grade 4, and so called Roxolid (metall that includes Titanium and Zirconia). Hardness of Roxolid implants is 30 percent higher than any other titanium implants. More than 40 years on the market.

Germany implants are made of titanium grade 4. This is pure titanium, without any other materials inside. They use special technology (cold milling) to produce implants from this kind of titanium. 26 years on the market. Good quality/price.

Israel implants are made of Titanium grade 5. This metall consists aluminum and vanadium (there is information that shows toxic influence of this metals after 15-18 years in human body). Information about long-term toxicity came out in 2018. I can’t tell you the we’ve faced some of this problems after at least 12 years. MIS is about 25 years on the market.”

[goosano]

Kreativ Dental Clinic use DIO implants, a Korean brand made with Grade 4 titanium

[sleeping giant]

Currently in the Arena hotel in Budapest.
First appointment tomorrow morning .

[greenlex]

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Currently in the Arena hotel in Budapest.
First appointment tomorrow morning .

Just catching up with the thread. How did it go?

[sleeping giant]

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Just catching up with the thread. How did it go?

Just initial consultation today.
Not suitable for implants at the moment.
Getting major under gum cleaning , a route canal and extraction tomorrow.
More peridontal treatment on Wednesday.

Coming back in 3 months for bridges and a good few crowns.

Lots of waiting around today to be honest.
Got my initial check at 10 and had to wait until half 2 to discuss the treatment plan.
Costing a few bob too.

Hotel is not too bad. They paid for 2 night's and the other 2 nights are £51 each with breakfast.
£18 for a steak , juice and latte :-)

Ive got my own Dentist next week so will see what he says about the bridges etc.

[Cataplana]

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i asked a relative , who works in a dentists, why there is such a big price difference. The answer was Dentists earn more in this country. She told me just to make sure it's a good practice and the implants really are titanium.

Apologies, this is the guy here. The web address on his flyers seems to be wrong.

https://www.whatclinic.com/dentists/...oyal-clinic-zk

[greenlex]

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Just initial consultation today.
Not suitable for implants at the moment.
Getting major under gum cleaning , a route canal and extraction tomorrow.
More peridontal treatment on Wednesday.

Coming back in 3 months for bridges and a good few crowns.

Lots of waiting around today to be honest.
Got my initial check at 10 and had to wait until half 2 to discuss the treatment plan.
Costing a few bob too.

Hotel is not too bad. They paid for 2 night's and the other 2 nights are £51 each with breakfast.
£18 for a steak , juice and latte :-)

Ive got my own Dentist next week so will see what he says about the bridges etc.

It’s an initial downer when you go over with something in mind and end up with another treatment. Quite frustrating but they won’t do it if it’s not really required.
At least you’ll have a price to compare back home if nothing else.

[sleeping giant]

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It’s an initial downer when you go over with something in mind and end up with another treatment. Quite frustrating but they won’t do it if it’s not really required.
At least you’ll have a price to compare back home if nothing else.

It was a downer. I was ready to to home :
After sitting down with them they explained if they can save the tooth , ethically they have to.

[greenlex]

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It was a downer. I was ready to to home :
After sitting down with them they explained if they can save the tooth , ethically they have to.

It’s actually reassuring they won’t just cash in to be honest.

[Peevemor]

I have a load of stuff to get done with a good few implants.

Dentist's quote - 7725€
Paid by the state - 1694€
Paid by (compulsory) private health insurance - 5332€
To be paid by me - 699€ - I'm pretty happy with that.

Nearly all of the bit to be paid by me is for teeth at the back which are reimbursed less than those that are more visible.

[StevieC]

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I have a load of stuff to get done with a good few implants.

Dentist's quote - 7725€
Paid by the state - 1694€
Paid by (compulsory) private health insurance - 5332€
To be paid by me - 699€ - I'm pretty happy with that.

Nearly all of the bit to be paid by me is for teeth at the back which are reimbursed less than those that are more visible.

Which country is that?

[Peevemor]

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Which country is that?

France

[H18BYM]

I'm just back from Kreativ Dental in Budapest and thought I'd give an update.

Before going I'd been to see my own dentist and I was given a quote for 2 x implants at around £6300. I asked Kreativ for a quote before I went and was told £1660 for both. I also asked Kreativ if any follow up treatment could be done at their clinic in London and was told it depended on the outcome of the initial consultation.

I headed to Budapest on Sunday last week and went for my consultation on the Monday morning. I was given a free consultation and x-ray, then was told I'd need a CT scan, which would cost £85 and I agreed. They then told me about the plan they had for me that included removing all of my fillings and replacing them with crowns. All in all they wanted £7700 and I would have to spend a total of 2 full working weeks in Budapest getting the treatment. I made it clear that I only wanted the implants, which was now £3300 - because they were recommending 3 x implants versus my dentists recommendation of 2, they were recommending another type of scan, a nightguard etc. I'd also need to go back later in the year for a full working week. I declined the treatment, mainly because of the time I'd be required to spend back in Budapest, apparently it couldn't be done in London.

All in all, I'm not disappointed. I understand the reason why the cost went up and I was fine with it (some of it was optional) but I wasn't prepared to take a second trip for a full week just now. Still considering my options, I may well end up going back but will start to look closer to home again.

Budapest for me was a great city, but for my tastes, could be done in a couple of days. It's very picturesque and, if you like architecture and history, then you'll likely love it. Great food, decent beer. Was in the Kaledonia Scots bar to watch the derby and there were 3 or 4 Hibbies in, with a token Jambo tucked in the corner. Overall I enjoyed the experience (of being in Budapest, not the derby!) and thought it worth sharing It for anyone else thinking about using Kreativ.

Cheers

[Peevemor]

I'm astonished how much people are being asked to pay for implants

I've just looked at my own quote (referred to earlier) and for one of my front teeth (no. 21) I've been quoted 175€ for the metal post/inlay core, 60€ for a temporary crown while the proper one's being made & 500€ for the tooth/crown itself = 735€ (£640) in total, far less than the UK, Budapest or wherever - unless I'm missing something?