Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[Renfrew_Hibby]

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Campbeltown is about a 3 hour drive from Glasgow (even on the rare occasions the A83 isn't closed by landslides at the rest and be thankful) so that would be a total non-starter.

Why no government has built a tunnel at the Rest is beyond me.
Yes it would be costly but the A83 is thee major trunk for a huge rea of communities and tunnels like this are common place in Europe.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Why no government has built a tunnel at the Rest is beyond me.
Yes it would be costly but the A83 is thee major trunk for a huge rea of communities and tunnels like this are common place in Europe.

Throwing good money after bad, I wonder how much of the cost of a permanent solution they've spent in piecemeal work there?

[RyeSloan]

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I’ve never Before noticed how close that part of Scotland is to Ireland.

Just a shame that part of Scotland is not close to anything else!

[Mr Grieves]

Couple of whoppers from the tories -

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

Michael Gove has told businesses that trade with Europe they need to prepare for “significant change” with “inevitable” border checks for “almost everybody” who imports from the EU from next year.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-refere...ble-nfus-warns

During a session on how UK government policy will affect Scottish farming at the NFUS annual conference on Thursday (6 February), a farmer asked Mr Ross if imported foods would have to meet the same high standards as food produced on UK farms.

The MP replied: “There are ongoing discussions on this point. [International trade secretary] Liz Truss has been just announcing some things today.

“Ultimately, it’s up to the market and if products come in like that, I am reassured that consumers will know which are the best products to purchase.”

Farmers in the audience at the conference in Glasgow roundly jeered Mr Ross for his comments.

He went on: “They will be reassured that the produce from Scottish farmers and UK farmers is of a significant standard, that they would not want to buy chlorinated chicken, or hormone-induced beef.

“It is an issue that we are looking at in any [trade] deals going forward and it’s one at the very top of the agenda for ministers across various departments who are looking at this.”


Frictionless trade, less red tape, maintaining high standards - its all ****ing bull****.

[Ozyhibby]

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Couple of whoppers from the tories -

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

Michael Gove has told businesses that trade with Europe they need to prepare for “significant change” with “inevitable” border checks for “almost everybody” who imports from the EU from next year.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-refere...ble-nfus-warns

During a session on how UK government policy will affect Scottish farming at the NFUS annual conference on Thursday (6 February), a farmer asked Mr Ross if imported foods would have to meet the same high standards as food produced on UK farms.

The MP replied: “There are ongoing discussions on this point. [International trade secretary] Liz Truss has been just announcing some things today.

“Ultimately, it’s up to the market and if products come in like that, I am reassured that consumers will know which are the best products to purchase.”

Farmers in the audience at the conference in Glasgow roundly jeered Mr Ross for his comments.

He went on: “They will be reassured that the produce from Scottish farmers and UK farmers is of a significant standard, that they would not want to buy chlorinated chicken, or hormone-induced beef.

“It is an issue that we are looking at in any [trade] deals going forward and it’s one at the very top of the agenda for ministers across various departments who are looking at this.”


Frictionless trade, less red tape, maintaining high standards - its all ****ing bull****.

‘Significant change’ and ‘inevitable border checks for almost everybody’ sounds quite intrusive and not at all frictionless. And whatever happens at Dover has to happen at Stranraer. NI unionists are not going to be happy.


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[Slavers]

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Boris Johnson has a crap record when it comes to building bridges.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-en...mpression=true


It's never going to happen.

Boris is showing great leadership by building bridges between nations and not putting up divisive borders.... take note SNP and Nicola Sturgeon.

[Mr Grieves]

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‘Significant change’ and ‘inevitable border checks for almost everybody’ sounds quite intrusive and not at all frictionless. And whatever happens at Dover has to happen at Stranraer. NI unionists are not going to be happy.


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There'll be border checks on this new bridge!

[weecounty hibby]

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Boris is showing great leadership by building bridges between nations and not putting up divisive borders.... take note SNP and Nicola Sturgeon.

He couldn't manage to build a bridge between London and erm another bit of London. It is all just bluff, absolutely no chance that there will be a bridge between Scotland and Ireland. Especially as by the time it takes to plan, and execute a project on that scale both will be independent nations free from Westminster.

[Callum_62]

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Boris is showing great leadership by building bridges between nations and not putting up divisive borders.... take note SNP and Nicola Sturgeon.

Oh Slavers.

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[Ozyhibby]

Killjoy.


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[CloudSquall]

There is a dark side of me that is looking foward to tory voting fisherman in the North East and tory voting farmers in the south seeing their chickens coming home to roost.

That dark side of me is also looking forward to the likes of Douglas Ross and David Mundell try to defend the **** show once it hits.

[Kato]

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Boris is showing great leadership by building bridges between nations and not putting up divisive borders.... take note SNP and Nicola Sturgeon.

Aye, Cheesy Quavers, not like you to come up with obvious fale ness angle.

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[JeMeSouviens]

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There is a dark side of me that is looking foward to tory voting fisherman in the North East and tory voting farmers in the south seeing their chickens coming home to roost.

That dark side of me is also looking forward to the likes of Douglas Ross and David Mundell try to defend the **** show once it hits.

Yeah, if it was only Brexiters who lost their jobs or saw their businesses fail, it wouldn't be such a bad thing.

[JeMeSouviens]

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It would be highly amusing if the UK paid for a bridge that would eventually link a united Ireland with an independent Scotland.

Thinking about this, it's kind of ironic that the circumstance in which this grand projet might make sense is if RoI/NI/Scotland are all in the single market and England and Wales aren't. If Johnson can get it ready for independence day, then ok, maybe not a totally stupid idea.

Does anyone know if the £20 Bn estimated price tag (I'm presuming this is a total guess anyway and would in reality be overrun multiple times) is supposed to include the costs of upgrading road and rail links (currently woefully inadequate) from central Scotland to the bridge? Also, anyone know what the road/rail situation is like on the Irish side?

[Ozyhibby]

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Thinking about this, it's kind of ironic that the circumstance in which this grand projet might make sense is if RoI/NI/Scotland are all in the single market and England and Wales aren't. If Johnson can get it ready for independence day, then ok, maybe not a totally stupid idea.

Does anyone know if the £20 Bn estimated price tag (I'm presuming this is a total guess anyway and would in reality be overrun multiple times) is supposed to include the costs of upgrading road and rail links (currently woefully inadequate) from central Scotland to the bridge? Also, anyone know what the road/rail situation is like on the Irish side?

Road and rail in NI is pretty poor once you get out of Belfast.


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[JeMeSouviens]

Apparently Cummings is losing a lot of the internal Tory battles. He has so far failed to get:

- Javid sacked or moved in reshuffle
- HS2 scrapped
- 10 Downing St internally restructured to an open plan office with him and Johnson at the centre
- his choice (Andy Haldane) appointed as BoE governor
- clearance to recruit his own civil servants outside the usual structures

Looks like they used him to win the election but are now trying to sideline him. What a shame.

He is also raging (but in this case all the Tories are) that they have to follow due legal process to deport immigrants with criminal convictions to Jamaica (some of whom arrived in the UK as young as 2).

[JeMeSouviens]

I heard this covered on Radio Scotland on the way into work this morning where they managed to talk about it for a few minutes without mentioning which party said councillor represented. Coincidentally I'm sure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-51487701

[weecounty hibby]

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I heard this covered on Radio Scotland on the way into work this morning where they managed to talk about it for a few minutes without mentioning which party said councillor represented. Coincidentally I'm sure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...tland-51487701

Two wrongs don't make a right as they say but the way the two cases recently have been handled have not been consistent. I realise that a government minister is higher up the tree than a local councillor but it has been totally off the scale and I don't see Murdo and Jackson getting all worked up about someone who was actually convicted of sexual assault. It is pretty crap to see stuff like this politicised as there are low life's in every party and organisation.
It's just one reason that I can't stand the peado **** at football. Hibbies seem to forget that we had Gordon Neily (sp?) at the club. These people are everywhere sadly and trying to score political or football points using them is pretty low

[SHODAN]

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Apparently Cummings is losing a lot of the internal Tory battles. He has so far failed to get:

- Javid sacked or moved in reshuffle
- HS2 scrapped
- 10 Downing St internally restructured to an open plan office with him and Johnson at the centre
- his choice (Andy Haldane) appointed as BoE governor
- clearance to recruit his own civil servants outside the usual structures

Looks like they used him to win the election but are now trying to sideline him. What a shame.

He is also raging (but in this case all the Tories are) that they have to follow due legal process to deport immigrants with criminal convictions to Jamaica (some of whom arrived in the UK as young as 2).

Well, he's got the first one done now.

[CloudSquall]

Javid leaving seems to have caught everyone off guard in the media, the belief was Cummings had been sidelined but it seems Javid may have jumped due to number 10 wanting more control over number 11.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Javid leaving seems to have caught everyone off guard in the media, the belief was Cummings had been sidelined but it seems Javid may have jumped due to number 10 wanting more control over number 11.

According to the Guardian, Javid was told to sack all his special advisers and resigned instead.

[CloudSquall]

New chancellor and a complete shake up of the relationship between Number 10 and 11, four weeks out from the budget while Holyrood's budget is still locked in at the "wait and see" stage due to the wait.


#strongandstableUK

[Ozyhibby]

Cummings is pretty much the new chancellor. New guy is a convenient yes man.
Banning the press, centralising power. I’m sure it will all be fine.


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[Ozyhibby]

Another new housing minister now as well. That makes it 19 in the last 23 years. Really taking the housing crisis seriously.


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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

So much for a minor shuffle. This is a shameful power grab driven by the dangerous Dominic Cummings. The sacking of Julian Smith is a disgrace.

[Smartie]

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So much for a minor shuffle. This is a shameful power grab driven by the dangerous Dominic Cummings. The sacking of Julian Smith is a disgrace.

Whilst I’m very far from being a Tory myself I’ve always viewed them as a weird schizophrenic entity with half of them being almost ok and half of them being genuinely nasty headbangers.

It is sad and in no small way worrying to see anyone half decent being purged as they settle on being the evil lunatic far right shower of *******s that I have on occasion argued that they are not.

I don’t exactly mourn the loss of the ex-chancellor, but the circumstances surrounding his departure and that of Smith are both deeply worrying.

After all that howling about democracy it is interesting to see the power invested in Dominic Cummings.

[Hibrandenburg]

Just one more lie amongst many. Cut to 31:50

https://youtu.be/jLNQ4N9pEdc

[DaveF]

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Just one more lie amongst many. Cut to 31:50

https://youtu.be/jLNQ4N9pEdc

He only gave a categorical assurance he would keep Javid.

That's not really a whopper 🙄

[lapsedhibee]

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So much for a minor shuffle. This is a shameful power grab driven by the dangerous Dominic Cummings. The sacking of Julian Smith is a disgrace.

Re-election campaign has started for 2024. Just getting a united team together. If things don't look so rosy next year, maybe have a war with Spain over Gibraltar, something like that. Cummings knows (perhaps only?) how to run a winning campaign.

[CloudSquall]

The new Chancellor has quite an awkward job on his hands explaining why he is ok working under circumstances that his predecessor said were unacceptable.