The generic Hearts thread

[Keith_M]

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This is the first coherent post ive read on kickback for a while:

I'm sure this will be unpopular, but I'll be 100% behind the whole club when I'm at games, manager, players, Board. On a discussion forum I'll discuss what is going well and what is going badly. At the moment things have not gone well for Daniel. Results have got worse. We have dropped to 12th place. We have squad disharmony going public. There has been little sign of his pressing style working and he seems disinclined to adopt any other style to get a result. The flip side is that it is still very early in his time at Hearts and he could change it around. The reality is that he will have the majority of the same squad at the end of this window as at the start, so he has to get winning performances out of the players he has not just bring in his own team. So far he has only actually got rid of one player, there are no guarantees he will be able to move Berra, Wighton or anyone else on. He absolutely has to avoid relegation. That for me is the be all and end all of the next 6 months. One regular poster wrote on another thread yesterday that they were happy to see us relegated if that allowed Stendel to implement his plans. I thought that was crazy talk, but no one picked him up on it. I'm behind the club and Stendel, but the idea that things are going really well seems to me to be a mass delusion.

That's a very balanced and sensible viewpoint.

I wouldn't be surprised if he got some stick for it, though.

[Bostonhibby]

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This is the first coherent post ive read on kickback for a while:

I'm sure this will be unpopular, but I'll be 100% behind the whole club when I'm at games, manager, players, Board. On a discussion forum I'll discuss what is going well and what is going badly. At the moment things have not gone well for Daniel. Results have got worse. We have dropped to 12th place. We have squad disharmony going public. There has been little sign of his pressing style working and he seems disinclined to adopt any other style to get a result. The flip side is that it is still very early in his time at Hearts and he could change it around. The reality is that he will have the majority of the same squad at the end of this window as at the start, so he has to get winning performances out of the players he has not just bring in his own team. So far he has only actually got rid of one player, there are no guarantees he will be able to move Berra, Wighton or anyone else on. He absolutely has to avoid relegation. That for me is the be all and end all of the next 6 months. One regular poster wrote on another thread yesterday that they were happy to see us relegated if that allowed Stendel to implement his plans. I thought that was crazy talk, but no one picked him up on it. I'm behind the club and Stendel, but the idea that things are going really well seems to me to be a mass delusion.

Like paying their creditors, it'll never catch on.

Which is pleasing. They should absolutely carry on as they are. The Barnsley effect has transferred seamlessly to Gorgie.

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[Jim44]

The absolute faith shown by the muppets in their Messiah () is incredible. He has done nothing on the park yet, except for a home draw against Aberdeen, yet, to a man they are blindly backing him to the hilt on the supposed and debatable improvement he has made and in his getting rid of senior players. Until the sacking of Levein and McPhee, the likes of Berra and Whelan were the undisputed backbone of their struggling team and even after their sacking were still regarded as ever presents. Enter Strudel, the cull begins and is widely applauded by everyone and the cull victims are ripped to shreds on their KB forum by their erstwhile devotees. If the shoe was on the other foot, I would like to think that, in similar circumstances, we would welcome a new regime but err on the realistic side of caution before pledging blind faith and total confidence. I hope Strudel falls flat on his erchie.

[ian cruise]

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Disappointed Whelan didn’t demand his pay off

I'm not so sure he didn't get one, if he didn't it must be because his contract had a break clause. There's no way he just was sent a contract to sign that said he was getting laid off without payment and he just signed it, particularly when you read how bitter he is. They've either paid him what he was due or there was a clause saying they could cancel it after 6 months if they wished for X amount.

[Peevemor]

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I'm not so sure he didn't get one, if he didn't it must be because his contract had a break clause. There's no way he just was sent a contract to sign that said he was getting laid off without payment and he just signed it, particularly when you read how bitter he is. They've either paid him what he was due or there was a clause saying they could cancel it after 6 months if they wished for X amount.

I think the latter or at very least there was a pay off offered in the email/contract he was sent which he decided to accept instead of dragging things out.

[Hibee87]

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I'm not so sure he didn't get one, if he didn't it must be because his contract had a break clause. There's no way he just was sent a contract to sign that said he was getting laid off without payment and he just signed it, particularly when you read how bitter he is. They've either paid him what he was due or there was a clause saying they could cancel it after 6 months if they wished for X amount.

Whelan has been quoted as saying he was happy to leave with no pay off just to get out of there. Not sure why he would make that up tbh, and I imagine it will have been a relative pittance in comparison to his personal wealth.

[grunt]

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Whelan has been quoted as saying he was happy to leave with no pay off just to get out of there. Not sure why he would make that up tbh, and I imagine it will have been a relative pittance in comparison to his personal wealth.

I know its the Daily Record, but there's a transcript of a discussion Whelan had on TalkSport this morning:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...mbles-21246179

Simon Jordan: "Glenn, you must know what the motivation is? You must have an inkling? Is it because you're the highest paid player there? Because the owner doesn't like you?"
Glenn Whelan: "That's what I mean and that's why I'm talking up. I've had no contact with the owner."
SJ: "You're going to get paid, you have a year's contract with Hearts, they're going to pay you?"
GW: "No, it was a terminated contract."
SJ: "They can't just terminate a contract without a reason."
GW: "They asked me to cancel the contract."
SJ: "But you don't have to Glenn, you've got the PFA sitting on one side of the fence saying to you - under no circumstances will you be cancelling your contract, you've done nothing wrong.
"You're entitled. You've signed a contract with Hearts - they're stuck with you, you're stuck with them.

"You wouldn't be giving up your contact, surely? You haven't done anything wrong."
GW: "I've not done anything wrong but it just got to a stage where that's where they wanted to go. I wasn't in it for the money.
"I wasn't up there just to get paid, I wanted to play, keep playing at the highest level."
SJ: "Glenn, it's a point of principle. If you're going to come out and defend yourself, as you are, and you're entitled to do so.
"Surely, by the same token, if you wanted to leave and the club didn't want you to leave, you couldn't leave.
"If you said to Hearts: 'I want to leave', and Hearts said no, you wouldn't have the option to cancel your contract you'd have to bleeding well get on with it.
"I'm curious to see why. If this behaviour meted out to you, and I'm not suggesting it's right or wrong I'm just reacting to the circumstances and saying if we put the money to one side, there's a point of principle.

"And I know when you die your principles die with you, but you're a professional footballer and you full well know the value of a contract. And your representatives and the PFA know the value of a contract.
"You can't have football clubs running around cancelling contracts when they feel like it."
GW: "What I'm saying, after the game on Boxing Day I wasn't in the squad, then I wasn't in the squad against Aberdeen , and-
SJ: "That's fine Glenn but you get paid. If they want you to go then their obligation is to pay you, whether that's right or wrong it cuts both ways.
"As a former owner, I had a Scottish player, Jamie Fullarton, and I didn't like him, neither did the manager.
"I got rid of him, but I had to pay him.

"What I'm trying to understand is how this is manifested itself. Hearts' run of form is pretty dreadful right now so the whole place is probably not in the greatest of order, but that doesn't mean one particular player should be meted.
"I'm trying to understand why Glenn, an experienced player, would take this and take a contract that is clearly his right and turn round and say: 'I'm just going to walk away I'm being treated abominably.'"
GW: "That's what I'm saying, it wasn't a case of digging my heels in and wanting the contract paid up. If I wasn't there to play or train then why be there?
"It was a case of I'll go one way, you go the other, we'll shake hands and that's it. But it wasn't that.
"I got an email from the secretary of the club basically saying would I sign the contract for termination to become a free agent.
"That's what I did, I wasn't there for money. I was there to play and try and prove things."

[Cataplana]

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I know its the Daily Record, but there's a transcript of a discussion Whelan had on TalkSport this morning:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...mbles-21246179

Suggests he was glad just to get out. Don't know why the interviewer keeps on at him about the money, the guy has basically said he doesn't care.

[grunt]

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Suggests he was glad just to get out. Don't know why the interviewer keeps on at him about the money, the guy has basically said he doesn't care.

Simon Jordan, ex Chairman / owner Crystal Palace FC. Colourful character. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Jordan

[bingo70]

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Suggests he was glad just to get out. Don't know why the interviewer keeps on at him about the money, the guy has basically said he doesn't care.

Simon Jordan is a money man so I suspect he won’t be able to see past that side of it.

Glenn Whelan probably just didn’t want to go through the process of training with reserves and staying away from home when he could leave and probably find another club.

[The Captain....]

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I know its the Daily Record, but there's a transcript of a discussion Whelan had on TalkSport this morning:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...mbles-21246179

I cant imagine this will be helping Hearts bring players in going forward. The way that club is run is absolutely without any scruples or standards. If I was an agent I wouldn't let a player go there for any money...it isn't worth the complications.

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[Danderhall Hibs]

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I cant imagine this will be helping Hearts bring players in going forward. The way that club is run is absolutely without any scruples or standards. If I was an agent I wouldn't let a player go there for any money...it isn't worth the complications.

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Footballers generally don’t care as long as they get paid. No morals. Look at the manager - he was still taking a wage from Barnsley when he took the Hearts job.

Has there been any update on that court case?

[04Sauzee]

According to most on Kickback this boy is normally ITK and this is wjat he has recently posted

Notts1874 Notts1874

Posted 24 minutes ago
There is a meeting going on now between Stendel and Murray. Most of Stendel's first choices seemed to have said no for one reason or another.

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[brog]

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According to most on Kickback this boy is normally ITK and this is wjat he has recently posted

Notts1874 Notts1874

Posted 24 minutes ago
There is a meeting going on now between Stendel and Murray. Most of Stendel's first choices seemed to have said no for one reason or another.

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Who's Murray?

[Mon_the_cabbage]

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Who's Murray?

Duncan? 😀😀😀

[04Sauzee]

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Who's Murray?

Chief Scout John Murray i assume?

[G B Young]

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Simon Jordan is a money man so I suspect he won’t be able to see past that side of it.

Glenn Whelan probably just didn’t want to go through the process of training with reserves and staying away from home when he could leave and probably find another club.

If he really did walk away from the contract it's a big help to Hearts bearing in mind how skint they are. They should be thanking him for doing so, not brushing him off with an email. His treatment by Stendel seems extremely shabby and he's right to call the club out as 'amateurish'. He certainly walks away looking like the more professional party here.

[Since452]

I would end myself laughing if Ian Murray's Airdrie knocked them out the cup, and I think they will.

[Captain Trips]

Stendel invites more senior players into new office for talks.

[007]

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According to most on Kickback this boy is normally ITK and this is wjat he has recently posted

Notts1874 Notts1874

Posted 24 minutes ago
There is a meeting going on now between Stendel and Murray. Most of Stendel's first choices seemed to have said no for one reason or another.

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Not surprised at that. They are on a bad run of form, are 5 points adrift at the bottom and have a difficult run of matches coming up which could see them further adrift. There's a good chance they'll be relegated so it isn't exactly appealing to any potential signings. Who wants a relegation on their CV? Add in the Berra and Whelan news stories which aren't exactly painting Hearts in a positive light.

Can't imagine many players of the standard they need/are after that have a club at the moment, would want to leave where they are to join the HMFC (Hearts Massive F***ing Cluster***k). You'd have to be desperate to go there.

[007]

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Stendel invites more senior players into new office for talks.

Uche, MacLean and Wighton were called in but they all missed.

[007]

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I would end myself laughing if Ian Murray's Airdrie knocked them out the cup, and I think they will.

Me too, looked for bookies giving odds last night but it's too soon.

[Captain Trips]

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Uche, MacLean and Wighton were called in but they all missed.

Uche couldnt fit.

[Alfred E Newman]

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The absolute faith shown by the muppets in their Messiah () is incredible. He has done nothing on the park yet, except for a home draw against Aberdeen, yet, to a man they are blindly backing him to the hilt on the supposed and debatable improvement he has made and in his getting rid of senior players. Until the sacking of Levein and McPhee, the likes of Berra and Whelan were the undisputed backbone of their struggling team and even after their sacking were still regarded as ever presents. Enter Strudel, the cull begins and is widely applauded by everyone and the cull victims are ripped to shreds on their KB forum by their erstwhile devotees. If the shoe was on the other foot, I would like to think that, in similar circumstances, we would welcome a new regime but err on the realistic side of caution before pledging blind faith and total confidence. I hope Strudel falls flat on his erchie.

There has been more criticism of Jack Ross on here than Herr Stendal on keichback. They are a strange lot indeed.

[Since452]

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According to most on Kickback this boy is normally ITK and this is wjat he has recently posted

Notts1874 Notts1874

Posted 24 minutes ago
There is a meeting going on now between Stendel and Murray. Most of Stendel's first choices seemed to have said no for one reason or another.

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Punted their captain, highest profile player Whelan, their best winger Mulraney, and MacLean who he's played almost every week and his targets have said thanks but no thanks? Very pleasing if true

[Springbank]

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According to most on Kickback this boy is normally ITK and this is wjat he has recently posted

Notts1874 Notts1874

Posted 24 minutes ago
There is a meeting going on now between Stendel and Murray. Most of Stendel's first choices seemed to have said no for one reason or another.

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One reason or another...

[Captain Trips]

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One reason or another...

The reasons are he is a dick or a fanny

[Peevemor]

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Not surprised at that. They are on a bad run of form, are 5 points adrift at the bottom and have a difficult run of matches coming up which could see them further adrift. There's a good chance they'll be relegated so it isn't exactly appealing to any potential signings. Who wants a relegation on their CV? Add in the Berra and Whelan news stories which aren't exactly painting Hearts in a positive light.

Can't imagine many players of the standard they need/are after that have a club at the moment, would want to leave where they are to join the HMFC (Hearts Massive F***ing Cluster***k). You'd have to be desperate to go there.

A good chance they'll be relegated? I must have misunderstood, I though one point every five games was going to see them OK.

[Captain Trips]

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Punted their captain, highest profile player Whelan, their best winger Mulraney, and MacLean who he's played almost every week and his targets have said thanks but no thanks? Very pleasing if true

Hearts finally find somebody who will join:

[Ozyhibby]

12 days until they play Ross County in what is their biggest game in years and no sign of any new signings and 6 players told they are no longer wanted. Stendel appears to be doing a fantastic job.


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