Gullan - recalled from loan

[jacomo]

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The development of this particular group of players by the club has been pretty shocking really.

The team won the Scottish youth cup and pretty much had the better of all other clubs including Old Firm. To have one player make the break through in Porteous is pretty poor.

The merry go round of managers hasnt helped but Murray Shaw should be first team regulars by now.

Heckys development of them was one of the reasons I believe he was sacked. He smashed Oli Shaws confidence to bits. Bringing him on with 5-10 mins to go, totally out of position out wide and publically slaughtering him was terrible man management.

Dempster once stated Shaw was one of the best youngsters in Europe for his age, which was maybe slightly exaggerated but what we had was a striker banging them in the development side and was head and shoulders above everyone for his age. A Scottish under 21 internationalist who has all the attributes to be a top striker who is now being suggested on here to go out on loan to Raith ******g Rovers! Absolutely criminal imo.

Agree with all this.

We tend to bemoan our youngsters for not being good enough but as a group they excelled. So you have to start wondering why Hibs are failing to bring more young players through into the first team.

Something in our set up isn’t right.

[bingo70]

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Agree with all this.

We tend to bemoan our youngsters for not being good enough but as a group they excelled. So you have to start wondering why Hibs are failing to bring more young players through into the first team.

Something in our set up isn’t right.

I think the problem is too many people put too much emphasis on the young teams being successful and winning trophies. Imo it means nothing, well it’s great for the players but it means nothing in terms of their development to the first team.

If the young team are winning trophies but they’re beating teams who have all their best young players in the first team I know who’s got the most successful youth set up and it’s not the ones lifting the trophies.

I know it’s not a popular opinion but the young players that can’t break into the first team and keep their place simply aren’t good enough. Football is a tough environment, if they can’t break into the team and make an immediate impact they probably won’t get another chance. If they do get another chance they need to keep taking them, doing what Shaw has done will see him replaced, he won’t keep getting chances forever.

I (think) i remember when Scott Brown and KT broke through, you knew straight away they would make it as they had that swagger, that arrogance and once they were in they wouldn’t be giving up their place without a fight. I see that attitude with Porteous, I don’t with Shaw, Murray or Mackie.

[B.H.F.C]

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Agree with all this.

We tend to bemoan our youngsters for not being good enough but as a group they excelled. So you have to start wondering why Hibs are failing to bring more young players through into the first team.

Something in our set up isn’t right.

Maybe it’s not all to do with the set up at development level, maybe it’s partly to do with what happens when they actually get in to the first team.

Porteous, IMO, is suffering from not having enough players around him to help him. We have ‘good’ pros in terms of the way the look after themselves and all that but are they capable of looking after the young players on the pitch?

Murray is the only one who hasn’t had a real crack at it. Shaw has made over 50 appearances and, IMO, it’s just a case that he’s not good enough. I’ve never felt he was going to make the position his own.

Don’t know what the answer is but I don’t think there are many teams in the league who do a particularly good job at bringing young players through. Hamilton do it out of necessity. Motherwell are thrown round as an example but I don’t think there are that many players in their first 11 who have come through their system.