General election 2019

[Moulin Yarns]

Is it true that the @LibDems are considering legal action against the #BBC for allowing her to take part in last night's #BBCQTDebate ?
#CarCrash
#GeneralElection19

[Pete]

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It worked well with none of them getting an easy ride. Sturgeon was head and shoulders above the others. When I watched Corbyn open things I hadn’t thought he had done that well but compared to the remaining two he had a good night. Swinson’s dreams of doing a Clegg must surely be over. Johnson swung between mediocre and poor. It’s depressing that he still looks like remaining as PM.

I thought Sturgeon did get an easy ride compared to the other three who, let's face it, were absolutely crucified at times.
Not her fault though and was more to do with the audience and the context of the show. It was always going to be a fairly narrow line of questioning.
However, I'm sure she would have dealt with it very well if she had been grilled a bit more as she is the real deal as far as leaders go.

[Pete]

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Is it true that the @LibDems are considering legal action against the #BBC for allowing her to take part in last night's #BBCQTDebate ?
#CarCrash
#GeneralElection19

Lol I also hear that certain Tories are taking action because of the skewed nature of last night's audience. 😂

[Pretty Boy]

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Ooft!

https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/stat...261509122?s=09

Even by the standards set by The Sun that's woeful.

[CloudSquall]

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Is that supposed to cut people to the quick?

All it demonstrates is that this woman doesn't have a clue what socialism is if she regards the current labour party as 'extremist'.
It's just another attempt by an old centrist to paint their own beliefs as being left wing when they really aren't. 'Oh the horror of nationalisation/let's leave it to the private sector/wheres the money coming from/lifelong labour supporter/but but antisemitism'.
This is nothing new, this time it's just wrapped up in an unfunny video.

"He wants to get his allotment hands on my broadband"


You'd think he wanted to nationalise it and then shut the internet down.


It's good to read up on how South Korea government managed their broadband development, they now have the fastest internet in the world and the speeds are embarassingly fast compared to what is on offer in the UK (and pretty much everywhere else).

Edit: and WTF are allotment hands?

[Alex Trager]

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Really? I'm surprised to hear that. She always comes across as very establishment. I know she attended private school (that doesn't necessarily make her a Conservative) and isn't she married to a City trader? Again that doesn't make her a Tory, but the tone of her reporting has always made me think she is centre-right. I might be wrong of course, but that's the feeling I've always had.

She’s 100% a tory.

The tone and approach of her reporting is always pro tory anti anyone else (generally Labour).

She put out an article during the week about the tory in aberdeen who had been caught with holocaust denial history, and also included a bit about a labour chairperson who stepped down in the headline.


Not a single word on the tory mp in the article, provided no clarity as to why he had been removed.

[J-C]

The guy questioning Sturgeon on the once in a lifetime quote is 100% pro independence, he goes under the name of King of Jockistan on Twitter, he was saying he hoped she would see why he kept pushing so that she could knock it on the head once and for all and acknowledged the fact Nicola never sussed it out and moved on quickly.

[Alex Trager]

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He earns above 80K per year yet claims he isn't in the top fifty per cent in income

I’ve thought a great deal about this guy in the last two days, and I really hope he’s not on social media.

If he is he will be getting bullied to an inch of his life.

The labour man he was speaking to missed a real opportunity to educate him, he should have been drilling it into him that he IS in the top 5% of earners.

The guy was so uninformed it’s untrue, but that is what the media tell people.

He should have done his research before going onto tele, but the tory media tell you that corbyn is going after you hard earned and that is a bad thing.

[CloudSquall]

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The guy questioning Sturgeon on the once in a lifetime quote is 100% pro independence, he goes under the name of King of Jockistan on Twitter, he was saying he hoped she would see why he kept pushing so that she could knock it on the head once and for all and acknowledged the fact Nicola never sussed it out and moved on quickly.

I looked through the comments and came across the video of Salmond saying "once in a generation", it's never mentioned that he 1) clearly emphasised it's his view, and 2) said that another referendum could occur if there was a mandate given in a subsequent GE.

https://twitter.com/AngusMacNeilSNP/...59279883735040


Boris, Gove and co need to be firmly telt on this when they start with the "once in a generation" line as if it was set in law.

[Pretty Boy]

There was a lady from Bristol on BBC Breakfast this morning. A single parent who was using a foodbabk to feed her family. She stated her voting intentions were either Green or The Conservatives because she likes Boris Johnson and he'll 'really fight for what he believes in'.

On the one hand it's easy to mock or just shake your head in disbelief. However you really have to wonder how we have got to such a stage. There's a lowest common denominator politics at play. The leader of the opposition has been demonised as a dangerous Marxist (he's not), people are conditioned to believe immigration is the root cause of all their problems (it's not) and we have somehow reached a point were a dishonest, cheating, immoral buffoon is seen as a champion of the marginalised (he is definitely not).

I was, and am, a soft yes voter when it comes to independence. Under a progressive UK government I could easily be tempted to vote no. I've generally always adhered to the internationalist element of soft left politics. However, and I think someone else said it earlier on the thread, if a majority of English voters continue to go down a very divergent route from what we are seeing in Scotland then there comes a point at which you just have to cut them loose and accept they have made their choice. This election and the choice Labour make at their next leadership contest in the aftermath is going to be a critical point in the future of the union.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I'd give her the A+ as I'm pretty sure she saw that question as a trap and deliberately avoided it, as it would have brought Alex Salmond's name to the fore.

Other than that, sound marking :-)

Fair point and she'll have to answer that question at some stage.

[matty_f]

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Ooft!

https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/stat...261509122?s=09

What a lot of bull****.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I thought Sturgeon did get an easy ride compared to the other three who, let's face it, were absolutely crucified at times.
Not her fault though and was more to do with the audience and the context of the show. It was always going to be a fairly narrow line of questioning.
However, I'm sure she would have dealt with it very well if she had been grilled a bit more as she is the real deal as far as leaders go.

I think Sturgeon got it relatively easy because she's relatively bomb proof. She's heading a government that's been in power for more than a decade that would appear to be doing a lot right, they are still riding high in the polls because they're doing a decent job. Out of all the governments the UK has seen in recent times, the Scottish government is the one that at least appears to be working for those that voted them in. Their record isn't perfect but compared to the others they're a shining light in an otherwise dark night sky, that makes them hard to attack.

[Hibrandenburg]

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The guy questioning Sturgeon on the once in a lifetime quote is 100% pro independence, he goes under the name of King of Jockistan on Twitter, he was saying he hoped she would see why he kept pushing so that she could knock it on the head once and for all and acknowledged the fact Nicola never sussed it out and moved on quickly.

That was my feeling as well. It felt like he was teeing up a ball for her to drive down the range.

[The Harp Awakes]

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I think Sturgeon got it relatively easy because she's relatively bomb proof. She's heading a government that's been in power for more than a decade that would appear to be doing a lot right, they are still riding high in the polls because they're doing a decent job. Out of all the governments the UK has seen in recent times, the Scottish government is the one that at least appears to be working for those that voted them in. Their record isn't perfect but compared to the others they're a shining light in an otherwise dark night sky, that makes them hard to attack.

A very good summary.

[Ozyhibby]

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I think Sturgeon got it relatively easy because she's relatively bomb proof. She's heading a government that's been in power for more than a decade that would appear to be doing a lot right, they are still riding high in the polls because they're doing a decent job. Out of all the governments the UK has seen in recent times, the Scottish government is the one that at least appears to be working for those that voted them in. Their record isn't perfect but compared to the others they're a shining light in an otherwise dark night sky, that makes them hard to attack.

She also knows her brief. She can quote stats on waiting times, knife crime, broadband access, obesity rates, drug abuse etc of the top of her head in a way that no other politician in the uk can. And her govt are very competent. It’s easy to say they could be doing better but there are no other examples in the uk of a govt doing better.


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[J-C]

I also liked the fact she was very quick to ask the ex drug addict to give her details as she wanted to get her involved in the anti drug campaign, positive leading by a very competent leader.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I’ve thought a great deal about this guy in the last two days, and I really hope he’s not on social media.

If he is he will be getting bullied to an inch of his life.

The labour man he was speaking to missed a real opportunity to educate him, he should have been drilling it into him that he IS in the top 5% of earners.

The guy was so uninformed it’s untrue, but that is what the media tell people.

He should have done his research before going onto tele, but the tory media tell you that corbyn is going after you hard earned and that is a bad thing.

The guy looked like he was going to have a stroke. Anyone who earns 80k but is not willing to put £10 a month more back into the system to help make a better society for all is pretty much begging to get abused. I'm finding it hard to find any sympathy for him. I represent a 300+ group of individuals who earn 120k basic pay and NONE of them would embarrass themselves over a tenner like that clown.

[Hibrandenburg]

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I also liked the fact she was very quick to ask the ex drug addict to give her details as she wanted to get her involved in the anti drug campaign, positive leading by a very competent leader.

[Jack Hackett]

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I’ve thought a great deal about this guy in the last two days, and I really hope he’s not on social media.

If he is he will be getting bullied to an inch of his life.

The labour man he was speaking to missed a real opportunity to educate him, he should have been drilling it into him that he IS in the top 5% of earners.

The guy was so uninformed it’s untrue, but that is what the media tell people.

He should have done his research before going onto tele, but the tory media tell you that corbyn is going after you hard earned and that is a bad thing.

He deleted his Facebook account

[Hibbyradge]

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Is that supposed to cut people to the quick?

All it demonstrates is that this woman doesn't have a clue what socialism is if she regards the current labour party as 'extremist'.
It's just another attempt by an old centrist to paint their own beliefs as being left wing when they really aren't. 'Oh the horror of nationalisation/let's leave it to the private sector/wheres the money coming from/lifelong labour supporter/but but antisemitism'.
This is nothing new, this time it's just wrapped up in an unfunny video.

Cool. No damage done then. 👍

[Hibbyradge]

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What a lot of bull****.

Obviously, but who's watching that stuff?

It's brutal

[Hibernia&Alba]

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There was a lady from Bristol on BBC Breakfast this morning. A single parent who was using a foodbabk to feed her family. She stated her voting intentions were either Green or The Conservatives because she likes Boris Johnson and he'll 'really fight for what he believes in'.

On the one hand it's easy to mock or just shake your head in disbelief. However you really have to wonder how we have got to such a stage. There's a lowest common denominator politics at play. The leader of the opposition has been demonised as a dangerous Marxist (he's not), people are conditioned to believe immigration is the root cause of all their problems (it's not) and we have somehow reached a point were a dishonest, cheating, immoral buffoon is seen as a champion of the marginalised (he is definitely not).

I was, and am, a soft yes voter when it comes to independence. Under a progressive UK government I could easily be tempted to vote no. I've generally always adhered to the internationalist element of soft left politics. However, and I think someone else said it earlier on the thread, if a majority of English voters continue to go down a very divergent route from what we are seeing in Scotland then there comes a point at which you just have to cut them loose and accept they have made their choice. This election and the choice Labour make at their next leadership contest in the aftermath is going to be a critical point in the future of the union.

How is it possible to be wavering between Green and Conservative? They as far apart as any of the parties standing. It's a bit like a voter in Northern Ireland saying they are wavering between the DUP and Sinn Fein - "I like both Gerry Adams and Gregory Campbell and agree with them"

[G B Young]

I loathe Question Time so I was never going to spend my Friday night watching the leaders' special, but I just had a flick through the BBC 'highlights'.

First observation, it wasn't really Question Time was it? If so they'd have had the leaders on a panel at the same time and able to debate/slag off each other.

As for the performances it seems to me Sturgeon was always going to get the easiest ride due to the fact the vast majority of the audience won't have an SNP candidate on their ballot paper which meant the questions were a bit token and one-dimensional. She still looked to be her usual professional self though.

Corbyn? Just the usual two takeaways from him: He can't shake the anti-Semitism issue and he took his Brexit stance to new levels of fence-sitting vagueness. He's no leader.

Swinson's inexperience on the big stage caught up with her badly. They might have been better with Chuka Umunna as leader.

Johnson gave his usual Marmite display. Didn't get himself into any real trouble which is pretty much all he needs to do during this campaign.

[grunt]

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Corbyn? ... took his Brexit stance to new levels of fence-sitting vagueness.

I thought he was pretty clear on the subject.

[One Day Soon]

It will be much more interesting to see the new shape of politics with Corbyn out of the way after the election, Swinson potentially following him if the L/Ds perform really badly (though she likely gets another crack at it if she wants to stay), Sturgeon gone by March or soon after and Johnson having to deal with the messy reality of his own small majority government taking full responsibility for Brexit.

[Since90+2]

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It will be much more interesting to see the new shape of politics with Corbyn out of the way after the election, Swinson potentially following him if the L/Ds perform really badly (though she likely gets another crack at it if she wants to stay), Sturgeon gone by March or soon after and Johnson having to deal with the messy reality of his own small majority government taking full responsibility for Brexit.

Why would Sturgeon be gone by March? She is , by considerable distance , the best leader of any political party in the UK at the moment.

[matty_f]

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I thought he was pretty clear on the subject.

and the stance is sensible/logical.

[Ozyhibby]

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and the stance is sensible/logical.

He could have saved himself a lot of bother if he had went that way earlier.


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[Pete]

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I also liked the fact she was very quick to ask the ex drug addict to give her details as she wanted to get her involved in the anti drug campaign, positive leading by a very competent leader.

Did anyone notice Boris trying the same thing? 🤣