Thoughts on Jo Swinson?

[Frankhfc]

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Don't you mean the snp has agreed with the Scottish Green Party 😉

Whether or not it was the Greens idea and the Snp have decided to run with it is to both parties credit. Its a policy that while in the formative stage could put an end to the complicated benefits system altogether.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Whether or not it was the Greens idea and the Snp have decided to run with it is to both parties credit. Its a policy that while in the formative stage could put an end to the complicated benefits system altogether.

I don't know how far on it has got but 4 local authority areas were identified to run a trial a couple of years ago.

[Ozyhibby]

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I don't know how far on it has got but 4 local authority areas were identified to run a trial a couple of years ago.

It’s never been proven to work anywhere in the world yet.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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It’s never been proven to work anywhere in the world yet.


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An interesting write up on Finland's trial here:

https://medium.com/basic-income/what...l-54b8e5051f60

[Frankhfc]

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An interesting write up on Finland's trial here:

https://medium.com/basic-income/what...l-54b8e5051f60

Interesting piece. Its certainly worth experimenting further with as the positive aspects could definitely outweigh the negative ones. I like the theory behind it and hope a way is found to make it both practical and affordable.

[Ozyhibby]

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Interesting piece. Its certainly worth experimenting further with as the positive aspects could definitely outweigh the negative ones. I definitely like it in theory and hope a way is found to make it both practical and affordable.

I’ve not had time to read the article yet but I would think that it’s impossible to do with a whole population due to the effect it would have on inflation and the massive cost.
Any trials of it so far always seem to be focused on people who would be receiving benefits elsewhere.
They have it in Alaska and it’s funded by the money from oil but even there it’s causing problems.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...l-basic-income



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[Frankhfc]

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I’ve not had time to read the article yet but I would think that it’s impossible to do with a whole population due to the effect it would have on inflation and the massive cost.
Any trials of it so far always seem to be focused on people who would be receiving benefits elsewhere.
They have it in Alaska and it’s funded by the money from oil but even there it’s causing problems.
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2...l-basic-income



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I agree after reading more about the policy that it does have faults and could have implications for the wider economy, however, the theory is in my opinion sound and if a way could be found to implement it with resolving most of the negative impacts it could transform society into a far better more equal one.

Definitely deserves further exploration and experimentation.

[Fife-Hibee]

The Lib Dems now positioning themselves as the "austerity forever" party.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ge...pkg6y4iPg9gdcI

[NAE NOOKIE]

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She's a Tory.

This

[Mibbes Aye]

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The Lib Dems now positioning themselves as the "austerity forever" party.
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/ge...pkg6y4iPg9gdcI

I read your link and it said that the Lib Dems would raise corporation tax and capital gains tax to increase funding for child care.

You wouldn’t be at the lies again would you?

[Cataplana]

Would it be misogynistic to suggest that Jo has always wanted to be one of the cool kids, and is actually lapping up the fact that she is in their gang now?

I love her for entertainment, she is the closest we will get to Kez's levels of stupidity and lack of self awareness.

[Fife-Hibee]

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I read your link and it said that the Lib Dems would raise corporation tax and capital gains tax to increase funding for child care.

You wouldn’t be at the lies again would you?

You read the article and took out a very selective quote to give the impression that their overall plans are a good thing. I can do that to. See....

"The Lib Dem plans are in some ways stricter than the fiscal rules introduced by George Osborne when he was Chancellor - raising the prospect of a swift return to austerity."

Doesn't look so good again.

[Mibbes Aye]

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You read the article and took out a very selective quote to give the impression that their overall plans are a good thing. I can do that to. See....

"The Lib Dem plans are in some ways stricter than the fiscal rules introduced by George Osborne when he was Chancellor - raising the prospect of a swift return to austerity."

Doesn't look so good again.

I quoted policy decisions.

You quoted opinion.

And that’s the difference.

[Fife-Hibee]

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I quoted policy decisions.

You quoted opinion.

And that’s the difference.

Policy decisions that are ultimately irrelevant as they're nowhere near being the ruling party of government anytime soon. It's their rhetoric i'd be more concerned about as it gives an insight as to the kind of approach they would take yet again should a coalition opportunity with the tories arise again.

[Cataplana]

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Policy decisions that are ultimately irrelevant as they're nowhere near being the ruling party of government anytime soon. It's their rhetoric i'd be more concerned about as it gives an insight as to the kind of approach they would take yet again should a coalition opportunity with the tories arise again.

Their rhetoric the last time included things like no tuition fees, so you can't even rely on that.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Their rhetoric the last time included things like no tuition fees, so you can't even rely on that.

Yes, but they hide behind the "if we're a majority government" line.

No tuition fees...... if we're a majority government.
Reverse article 50....... if we're a majority government.

They can do this knowing full well they're nowhere near being a majority government anytime soon and they can simply hold the large party they jump into bed with as responsible, despite voting with them every step of the way to force draconian legislation through parliament.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Policy decisions that are ultimately irrelevant as they're nowhere near being the ruling party of government anytime soon. It's their rhetoric i'd be more concerned about as it gives an insight as to the kind of approach they would take yet again should a coalition opportunity with the tories arise again.

You quoted a journalist’s opinion and presented it as fact.

But that’s not exactly untypical of you. Lies come easily to you, don’t they?

[Fife-Hibee]

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You quoted a journalist’s opinion and presented it as fact.

But that’s not exactly untypical of you. Lies come easily to you, don’t they?

An opinion based on the rhetoric of the party line. Not quite a "lie".

A truth you find uncomfortable doesn't make it a lie.

[Mibbes Aye]

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An opinion based on the rhetoric of the party line. Not quite a "lie".

A truth you find uncomfortable doesn't make it a lie.

I invite you to give me a truth I am not uncomfortable with.

In your own time. Not jaundiced views or your passions.

Just truths.

[Mibbes Aye]

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An opinion based on the rhetoric of the party line. Not quite a "lie".

A truth you find uncomfortable doesn't make it a lie.

And you never answered the point.

You really don’t stand up, do you?

Lies, fleeing away when challenged, and hiding.

Good work

[Fife-Hibee]

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I invite you to give me a truth I am not uncomfortable with.

In your own time. Not jaundiced views or your passions.

Just truths.

I'm struggling to find a truth you're not uncomfortable with tbh.

[Mibbes Aye]

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I'm struggling to find a truth you're not uncomfortable with tbh.

In a funny sort of way, I think I like you

[lapsedhibee]

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I invite you to give me a truth I am not uncomfortable with.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Steady now.

[Mr Grieves]

https://twitter.com/yougov/status/11...895457280?s=21

The more exposure Swinson gets, the more people appear to dislike her.

Not good for the lib dems when their whole campaign is based on her personality.

[Mibbes Aye]

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https://twitter.com/yougov/status/11...895457280?s=21

The more exposure Swinson gets, the more people appear to dislike her.

Not good for the lib dems when their whole campaign is based on her personality.

I am not sure if we are reading the same thing but her appeal amongst Remain voters seems to be favourable.

Her broader appeal is a challenge, I guess because she is a threat to Brexiteers, the Tories and Labour. Chuck into the mix that she is a young woman MP and we have all the ingredients for a bit of sexist, misogynistic hate. No doubt that will be channelled in less obvious terms but if she wasn’t a threat then they wouldn’t be after her.

Im not saying you are guilty of that but we know that many female MPs on the liberal, pro-EU side face death and hate threats to the extent that there are people in jail for threatening violence against them.

I have acknowledged on here before that I am a Labour Party member but Corbyn and his acolytes don’t speak for me. I like Jo Swinson. I like the very firm stance on repealing Brexit. I don’t like Corbyn’s cowardice and ambivalence about leaving the EU..

[Mr Grieves]

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I am not sure if we are reading the same thing but her appeal amongst Remain voters seems to be favourable.

Her broader appeal is a challenge, I guess because she is a threat to Brexiteers, the Tories and Labour. Chuck into the mix that she is a young woman MP and we have all the ingredients for a bit of sexist, misogynistic hate. No doubt that will be channelled in less obvious terms but if she wasn’t a threat then they wouldn’t be after her.

Im not saying you are guilty of that but we know that many female MPs on the liberal, pro-EU side face death and hate threats to the extent that there are people in jail for threatening violence against them.

I have acknowledged on here before that I am a Labour Party member but Corbyn and his acolytes don’t speak for me. I like Jo Swinson. I like the very firm stance on repealing Brexit. I don’t like Corbyn’s cowardice and ambivalence about leaving the EU..

I hope the lib dems win seats from the tories in this election, unfortunately, their poll results have been piss poor recently. They have a problem

[Ozyhibby]

I watched her tonight and the way she talks sounds whiny, if that makes sense? As if she is always complaining. I’m not sure people can follow that.


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[Mibbes Aye]

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I watched her tonight and the way she talks sounds whiny, if that makes sense? As if she is always complaining. I’m not sure people can follow that.


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Im not even a LibDem member but that sounds like something that would never be levelled at a male politician.

[Mibbes Aye]

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I hope the lib dems win seats from the tories in this election, unfortunately, their poll results have been piss poor recently. They have a problem

I think this election is all up for grabs. We don’t normally go to the polls in December and Brexit is influencing it massively.

Interesting times.