General election 2019

[Fife-Hibee]

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I saw a ‘fact check’ they ran on Boris yesterday. He didn’t come out of it well.

Does he ever come out of it well? He bumbles his way through every interview. Yet, you'll never see that mentioned and splashed over the front pages of newspapers. They have more pressing matters, like what colour of tie Jeremy Corbyn is wearing, or some tory quote about how obsessed the SNP are with independence.

[RyeSloan]

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I saw a ‘fact check’ they ran on Boris yesterday. He didn’t come out of it well.

The spending figures are all over the place.

I’ll wait for the manifestos before commenting too much but wow Labour seem to have gone from tax n spend to just spend. £150bn for this, £60bn for that and then there is the cost of all the renationalisations...it really does look completely made up but as I said let’s see the manifesto’s afore getting into it too deep.

[marinello59]

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Does he ever come out of it well? He bumbles his way through every interview. Yet, you'll never see that mentioned and splashed over the front pages of newspapers. They have more pressing matters, like what colour of tie Jeremy Corbyn is wearing, or some tory quote about how obsessed the SNP are with independence.

I take it you only read the Mail and the Telegraph then .

[Fife-Hibee]

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I take it you only read the Mail and the Telegraph then .

The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Sun, The "Scotsman", The Express, The Times... take your pick.

Even the papers that claim to be more left-wing are too "moderate" to hit the tories where it hurts.

[marinello59]

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I'm hearing that the tories are to step aside in East Dumbartonshire to help out their ally Jo Swinson.

I asked you this earlier but I think you missed it.
What's your source for this? Thanks.

[Moulin Yarns]

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I asked you this earlier but I think you missed it.
What's your source for this? Thanks.

It's probably not true, let's face it both Fife and Maybes got it wrong, the constituency is Dunbartonshire East

[Fife-Hibee]

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I asked you this earlier but I think you missed it.
What's your source for this? Thanks.

Apparently the Tory MP there told Jo Swinson that they believe she'd make a better PM than Boris Johnson. Not something you'd think they'd say if they weren't going to stand aside (at least, unofficially) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...ative-20825366

Not really surprising though. Both the tories and the Lib Dems in East Dunbartonshire have worked hand in glove to over rule the SNP administration there in order to screw over council workers - https://www.kirkintilloch-herald.co....ting-1-4645400

[Fife-Hibee]

Another piece of blairite trash outs himself as being a tory all along. - https://news.sky.com/story/general-e...votes-11856077

[Moulin Yarns]

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Apparently the Tory MP there told Jo Swinson that they believe she'd make a better PM than Boris Johnson. Not something you'd think they'd say if they weren't going to stand aside (at least, unofficially) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...ative-20825366

Not really surprising though. Both the tories and the Lib Dems in East Dunbartonshire have worked hand in glove to over rule the SNP administration there in order to screw over council workers - https://www.kirkintilloch-herald.co....ting-1-4645400

Which is where the story falls down. At this moment in time (from midnight on Tuesday) there are no MPs. But aside from that there hasn't been a Tory MP in Dunbartonshire East since 1974 and that was before the existing constituency was created.

EDIT: Just read the Mirror link (YEUGH!!) and nowhere does it say a Tory is stepping aside to allow Jo Swinson a clear run?!

[Fife-Hibee]

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Which is where the story falls down. At this moment in time (from midnight on Tuesday) there are no MPs. But aside from that there hasn't been a Tory MP in Dunbartonshire East since 1974 and that was before the existing constituency was created.

That's irrelevant. They'll still be people there that vote tory and by "unofficially" taking a back seat and not bothering to really campaign, they're effectively handing the votes over to Jo Swinson.

I'm not saying they don't have a right to do that. I'm just using it to highlight the cozy relationship both parties have there.

[marinello59]

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Apparently the Tory MP there told Jo Swinson that they believe she'd make a better PM than Boris Johnson. Not something you'd think they'd say if they weren't going to stand aside (at least, unofficially) - https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...ative-20825366

The MP in her constituency is Jo Swinson, not a Tory. There is no mention of the other candidate in that article. She does claim that MPs from both Labour and the Tories have privately told her she would make a better PM. Again, no mention of where they are from but they wont be standing against her. Your second headline is totally unrelated to my question.
So again, what is your source for this because it clearly isn't this article. Where did you hear this?

[Moulin Yarns]

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That's irrelevant. They'll still be people there that vote tory and by "unofficially" taking a back seat and not bothering to really campaign, they're effectively handing the votes over to Jo Swinson.

I'm not saying they don't have a right to do that. I'm just using it to highlight the cozy relationship both parties have there.

So not the Tory 'candidate' but tory voters talking about tactical voting!!! That's a lot different to

I'm hearing that the tories are to step aside in East Dumbartonshire to help out their ally Jo Swinson

At the last election I know LibDems who actively campaigned for the Conservative candidate in Perth and North Perthshire, which is different to the LibDems not putting a candidate up.

I am hoping the Scottish Greens don't field a candidate here because I don't want to be in the position of campaigning for one candidate and voting for another

[Frankhfc]

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So not the Tory 'candidate' but tory voters talking about tactical voting!!! That's a lot different to



At the last election I know LibDems who actively campaigned for the Conservative candidate in Perth and North Perthshire, which is different to the LibDems not putting a candidate up.

I am hoping the Scottish Greens don't field a candidate here because I don't want to be in the position of campaigning for one candidate and voting for another

I had a feeling in my water that Fife-Hibee's story wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. Its like the Fife-Hibee show on here as he jumps around shouting down anything he doesn't agree with as 'fake news' but expects his posts to be held up as truth sincere. Its spoiling what could be a decent forum. Better all round if he'd calm down and respect other peoples posts.

[Fife-Hibee]

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The MP in her constituency is Jo Swinson, not a Tory. There is no mention of the other candidate in that article. She does claim that MPs from both Labour and the Tories have privately told her she would make a better PM. Again, no mention of where they are from but they wont be standing against her. Your second headline is totally unrelated to my question.
So again, what is your source for this because it clearly isn't this article. Where did you hear this?

The proof will be in the outcome when the tory candidate gets single figure votes. Obviously I can't "prove" something that's never going to be made openly official.

But if you seen my second link which you automatically wrote off, you'd get an idea of the kind of relationship the Lib Dems have with the Tories in that constituency to beat down on hard working people.

[Hibbyradge]

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I saw a ‘fact check’ they ran on Boris yesterday. He didn’t come out of it well.

That's happened to him twice in quick succession!

[marinello59]

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The proof will be in the outcome when the tory candidate gets single figure votes. Obviously I can't "prove" something that's never going to be made openly official.

But if you seen my second link which you automatically wrote off, you'd get an idea of the kind of relationship the Lib Dems have with the Tories in that constituency to beat down on hard working people.

So you haven't actually heard it from anywhere, you just made it up. Cheers for the response.

[JeMeSouviens]

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So you haven't actually heard it from anywhere, you just made it up. Cheers for the response.

The proof of the thing that's going to happen is something that can't happen if the thing that's going to happen happens.

[Fife-Hibee]

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So you haven't actually heard it from anywhere, you just made it up. Cheers for the response.

Of course I have. I know people that live in that constituency and they're all telling me the same thing. Quit acting like it isn't a thing, just because they don't make it an official news story.

[marinello59]

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Of course I have. I know people that live in that constituency and they're all telling me the same thing. Quit acting like it isn't a thing, just because they don't make it an official news story.

So you have moved from a news story that proved nothing to now knowing people who live in that constituency who all have inside knowledge of this? Okay, sounds plausible.
At best you were passing hearsay off as fact, something you were critical of Christine Jardine doing just last week.

[marinello59]

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The proof of the thing that's going to happen is something that can't happen if the thing that's going to happen happens.

[Fife-Hibee]

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So you have moved from a news story that proved nothing to now knowing people who live in that constituency who all have inside knowledge of this? Okay, sounds plausible.
At best you were passing hearsay off as fact, something you were critical of Christine Jardine doing just last week.

They don't require "inside knowledge". They all know who they're going to vote for themselves and why.

[marinello59]

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They don't require "inside knowledge". They all know who they're going to vote for themselves and why.

That’s a world away from the Tory candidate standing aside then. Like I said, you made it up. I’ll leave it there.

[Moulin Yarns]

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So you have moved from a news story that proved nothing to now knowing people who live in that constituency who all have inside knowledge of this? Okay, sounds plausible.
At best you were passing hearsay off as fact, something you were critical of Christine Jardine doing just last week.

Which reminds me, did Fife-Hibee get the photos of Christine Jardine at her office the other Friday?

[RyeSloan]

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Which reminds me, did Fife-Hibee get the photos of Christine Jardine at her office the other Friday?

Too busy canvassing the 7,500 Tory voters in East Dunbartonshire about ‘standing aside’ obviously!

[G B Young]

Following Tom Watson's resignation ('personal rather political' he claims, but in reality precisely timed to derail Corbyn) ex-Labour MPs now pledging to vote Tory to keep Corbyn out:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9190421.html

Jewish Chronicle front page today:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/leader...izens-1.491812

[Fife-Hibee]

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Following Tom Watson's resignation ('personal rather political' he claims, but in reality precisely timed to derail Corbyn) ex-Labour MPs now pledging to vote Tory to keep Corbyn out:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9190421.html

Jewish Chronicle front page today:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/leader...izens-1.491812

Not Lib Dem, or Green, or any other party. But the tories.

[Frankhfc]

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Which reminds me, did Fife-Hibee get the photos of Christine Jardine at her office the other Friday?

I think if I remember rightly it was to take photographs of the office without Christine Jardine in it!

I noticed a lot of Lib Dem posters and signs up around the constituency today. I think she'll be voted back in to be honest although I don't know what the latest polling is.

[Frankhfc]

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Not Lib Dem, or Green, or any other party. But the tories.

They're desperate to stop Corbyn and the tories are the only party that will do that so its obvious why.

Labour are in complete chaos. Our biggest hope is that the Lib Dems will have a very good GE and sweep up a vast number of the remain seats that won't vote for Corbyn.

[Fife-Hibee]

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They're desperate to stop Corbyn and the tories are the only party that will do that so its obvious why.

Labour are in complete chaos. Our biggest hope is that the Lib Dems will have a very good GE and sweep up a vast number of the remain seats that won't vote for Corbyn.

Imagine standing as a Labour MP, getting elected on a Labour ticket. Then abandonning the party and advocating that people vote tory, claiming "anti-semitism" as the reason.

It would seem that people like Mr Austin thinks that Islamaphobia is perfectly ok then, as it's rife within the Conservative Party.

I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with the fact the Corbyn refuses to pander to Israeli lobbyist and that Mr Austin recieves income streams from the Israeli Knesset, the Israeli Ministry of Jerusalem & Heritage, the Australia Israel cultural exchange, Sir David Garrard (Israeli Lobbyist) and that other Israeli Lobbyist Sir Trevor Chinn.

Nope, nothing to see here.

[Frankhfc]

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Imagine standing as a Labour MP, getting elected on a Labour ticket. Then abandonning the party and advocating that people vote tory, claiming "anti-semitism" as the reason.

It would seem that people like Mr Austin thinks that Islamaphobia is perfectly ok then, as it's rife within the Conservative Party.

I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with the fact the Corbyn refuses to pander to Israeli lobbyist and that Mr Austin recieves income streams from the Israeli Knesset, the Israeli Ministry of Jerusalem & Heritage, the Australia Israel cultural exchange, Sir David Garrard (Israeli Lobbyist) and that other Israeli Lobbyist Sir Trevor Chinn.

Nope, nothing to see here.

I'm no Labour fan so can't argue either for or against what you've said. It doesn't look good to the electorate though and as I've said before I think Labour are in for a bit of a doing. Could be wrong but whatever happens I hope the Lib Dems and other progressive parties take up the slack if Labour does as badly as predicted to stop an outright tory majority.