Brexit - What Now.

[G B Young]

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Can boris just refuse to ask for an extension?

He's vowed he'd rather be dead in a ditch than do so, so my guess is he'll either refuse (massively controversial and will lead to further legal recourse from the 'chickens' as the legislation forcing him back to Brussels will have Royal Assent by then) or more likely hold nominal talks with the EU and return with a tinkered version of the May deal, which will then be rejected by parliament again - thus giving him further ammo to pelt the 'chickens' with.

[Cataplana]

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He's vowed he'd rather be dead in a ditch than do so, so my guess is he'll either refuse (massively controversial and will lead to further legal recourse from the 'chickens' as the legislation forcing him back to Brussels will have Royal Assent by then) or more likely hold nominal talks with the EU and return with a tinkered version of the May deal, which will then be rejected by parliament again - thus giving him further ammo to pelt the 'chickens' with.

Boris has gone back on his word before.

[Cataplana]

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Why would Rees-Mogg have a piece of ginger up his Gary? It must be something those posh types get up to; a lot of them are perverts.

Don't know, but that's my weekend sorted!

[Ozyhibby]

Must be an election on the way.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

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Don't know, but that's my weekend sorted!

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[cabbageandribs1875]

i wonder her real reasons for not wanting an election..


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'kin sickening, and she's not the only one of course

[Moulin Yarns]

6 years is a long time in politics
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...s-Johnson.html

[GlesgaeHibby]

Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

[Fife-Hibee]

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

Unprecedented times. The two party system at Westminster is breaking down day by day; the Tories in particular is morphing in to a hard right party, populated by the likes of Redwood, Duncan-Smith and Rees-Mogg, whilst the centrists are either pushed or jump.

[GORDONSMITH7]

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Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

Call me cynical, which I am , but she has a wafer thin 346 majority in Hastings over Labour.

BIG G

[Moulin Yarns]

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Rudd resigns Conservative whip...another one gone.

Resigns from the party. There is no longer a workable government.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49623737

[Ozyhibby]

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Call me cynical, which I am , but she has a wafer thin 346 majority in Hastings over Labour.

BIG G

And says she will stand as an independent. Good news for Labour if she stands against a Tory candidate. No?


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[cabbageandribs1875]

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those Con and Lab percentages are astonishing, for the love of god Corbyn GO man, and take yer ex bird and McDonnell with you

[The Harp Awakes]

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WTF The Conservative Government is disintegrating before our very eyes and it has a 14% lead over Labour + 12% for the Brexit party. It's absolutely ******g nuts.

The UK is crashing out on a no deal whatever happens. If it's not 31 October then it will be soon thereafter.

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over 5k at the AUOB Cymru march yesterday, particularly liked this banner


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[Fife-Hibee]

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those Con and Lab percentages are astonishing, for the love of god Corbyn GO man, and take yer ex bird and McDonnell with you

Even if Corbyn is replaced with some "moderate", it's not going to make a blind bit of difference. The Lib Dems are not going to back down, they're determined to keep remain voters split between them and Labour. Anything to give way to another Tory majority, or tory/libdem pact.

[GORDONSMITH7]

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those Con and Lab percentages are astonishing, for the love of god Corbyn GO man, and take yer ex bird and McDonnell with you

You will a frustrated and dissapointed young person shortly, beleive me.

BIG G

[Ozyhibby]

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Even if Corbyn is replaced with some "moderate", it's not going to make a blind bit of difference. The Lib Dems are not going to back down, they're determined to keep remain voters split between them and Labour. Anything to give way to another Tory majority, or tory/libdem pact.

That’s nonsense. Put a moderate in charge of Labour and they will romp the election. The only reason anyone is even remotely considering the Lib Dem’s is because people don’t want Corbyn. They want to stop brexit but can’t control for Corbyn.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

Brexit/Tory pact? Can’t see it myself but maybe.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

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That’s nonsense. Put a moderate in charge of Labour and they will romp the election. The only reason anyone is even remotely considering the Lib Dem’s is because people don’t want Corbyn. They want to stop brexit but can’t control for Corbyn.


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I don't think it's that simple, as Labour voters are deeply divided on Brexit, even if the parliamentary party is overwhelmingly Remain. Conservative voters lean heavily towards Brexit, but the Labour vote is much more balanced, with Labour heartlands in the West Midlands, the north and South Wales amongst the most pro-Brexit regions. The Brexit Party is peeling away support from both Labour and Conservatives, and we seem to be in unknown territory, with the two party system breaking down over the EU issue. This is inevitable really, given the vote was 52-48.

Jeremy Corbyn is actually more ambivalent of the EU than the vast majority of his PLP colleagues, and there is no guarantee that a more centrist pro-European leader would improve the Labour vote, when so many Labour voters want to leave the EU. It's so difficult to make any predictions at the moment. The Tory strategy is to peel off Leave voters from Labour in the traditional Labour heartlands in England and Wales over Brexit, but they too have no guarantee of success, though a pact with the Brexit Party on a firmly Leave ticket in a general election might just see it work. The pro-Remain parties might create an electoral pact of their own to try to win a big Remain majority, perhaps by agreeing to field just one candidate against pro-Brexit Tories in Tory seats.

All the old certainties look broken just now and I wouldn't like to make any predictions. If I were to take a best guess, I think an election today would return another hung parliament and further Brexit stalemate. There seems to be a re-alignment of the party system taking place, and the situation is very fluid.

[Cataplana]

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those Con and Lab percentages are astonishing, for the love of god Corbyn GO man, and take yer ex bird and McDonnell with you

The chances of Johnson keeping it together for the duration of an election campaign are close to zero. I will predict that those figures will change very soon.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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https://amp.theguardian.com/politics...mpression=true

Brexit/Tory pact? Can’t see it myself but maybe.


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With the purging of their pro-European MPs, the Tories are now the Brexit Party in all but name. They are trying to make the Brexit Party irrelevant, but Farage just can't be shaken off. With the direction the Conservatives are taking, a pact could happen.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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The chances of Johnson keeping it together for the duration of an election campaign are close to zero. I will predict that those figures will change very soon.

Yes, and the polls also substantially underestimated Labour and Corbyn at the last election. None of them had Labour gaining seats.

[GlesgaeHibby]

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The chances of Johnson keeping it together for the duration of an election campaign are close to zero. I will predict that those figures will change very soon.

He's not been able to keep it together this week, and the gap between Labour and Tories has grown. Pretty much everything that could have gone wrong this week for him, has. The problem we've got is those that think everybody is out to get him and stop Brexit. #peoplesprimeminister is trending on Twitter, thanks to idiotic middle England leavers.

[Cataplana]

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He's not been able to keep it together this week, and the gap between Labour and Tories has grown. Pretty much everything that could have gone wrong this week for him, has. The problem we've got is those that think everybody is out to get him and stop Brexit. #peoplesprimeminister is trending on Twitter, thanks to idiotic middle England leavers.

A case of people refusing to admit they have been fooled, more than the wishes of an insular, xenophobic, class fixated nation I hope.

If it can be shown that the people who persuaded them to vote that way are nothing more than liars, it could give them a get out of jail card.

Johnson's character will be under the greatest scrutiny ever during a campaign and I think he is too gaffe prone to get away with it.

Bear in mind his party is split, and will not have anything like the control of the media that previous governments have had.

[GlesgaeHibby]

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A case of people refusing to admit they have been fooled, more than the wishes of an insular, xenophobic, class fixated nation I hope.

If it can be shown that the people who persuaded them to vote that way are nothing more than liars, it could give them a get out of jail card.

Johnson's character will be under the greatest scrutiny ever during a campaign and I think he is too gaffe prone to get away with it.

Bear in mind his party is split, and will not have anything like the control of the media that previous governments have had.

It has been shown on numerous times that these people are liars (£350m a week, deal will be easy, nobody says we'll be leaving without a deal, in a 52:48 referendum it'll be unfinished business, Turkey joining the EU etc). Bojo was sacked as a journalist for lying. Brexit voters aren't interested in this at all. They are driven by ideology and, in some cases, Xenophobia.

A Brexit MEP interviewed this week suggested the short term pain would be worth it. When asked to define short-term, she said 'for the next 30 years or so'. Brexit really is a staggering act of self harm.

[Cataplana]

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It has been shown on numerous times that these people are liars (£350m a week, deal will be easy, nobody says we'll be leaving without a deal, in a 52:48 referendum it'll be unfinished business, Turkey joining the EU etc). Bojo was sacked as a journalist for lying. Brexit voters aren't interested in this at all. They are driven by ideology and, in some cases, Xenophobia.

A Brexit MEP interviewed this week suggested the short term pain would be worth it. When asked to define short-term, she said 'for the next 30 years or so'. Brexit really is a staggering act of self harm.

I was trying to cheer myself up.

[Ozyhibby]

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I don't think it's that simple, as Labour voters are deeply divided on Brexit, even if the parliamentary party is overwhelmingly Remain. Conservative voters lean heavily towards Brexit, but the Labour vote is much more balanced, with Labour heartlands in the West Midlands, the north and South Wales amongst the most pro-Brexit regions. The Brexit Party is peeling away support from both Labour and Conservatives, and we seem to be in unknown territory, with the two party system breaking down over the EU issue. This is inevitable really, given the vote was 52-48.

Jeremy Corbyn is actually more ambivalent of the EU than the vast majority of his PLP colleagues, and there is no guarantee that a more centrist pro-European leader would improve the Labour vote, when so many Labour voters want to leave the EU. It's so difficult to make any predictions at the moment. The Tory strategy is to peel off Leave voters from Labour in the traditional Labour heartlands in England and Wales over Brexit, but they too have no guarantee of success, though a pact with the Brexit Party on a firmly Leave ticket in a general election might just see it work. The pro-Remain parties might create an electoral pact of their own to try to win a big Remain majority, perhaps by agreeing to field just one candidate against pro-Brexit Tories in Tory seats.

All the old certainties look broken just now and I wouldn't like to make any predictions. If I were to take a best guess, I think an election today would return another hung parliament and further Brexit stalemate. There seems to be a re-alignment of the party system taking place, and the situation is very fluid.

The Labour vote is no more deeply divided than the Tory vote.


There is a massive remain vote out there but they won’t vote for Corbyn and they don’t believe the Lib Dem’s can win. A moderate Labour leader could scoop up that vote.


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