Brexit - What Now.

[lapsedhibee]

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Shocking, I have never known the panelists to interrupt and harangue the audience before.

Tice is like that whatever show he's on, and whoever he's on with.

[Hibrandenburg]

Has anybody actually confirmed with the EU that they will grant another extension? Everyone seems to think it's a foregone conclusion.

[Ozyhibby]

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Has anybody actually confirmed with the EU that they will grant another extension? Everyone seems to think it's a foregone conclusion.

They would def grant it. A hard brexit is bad for them as well.


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[Hibernia&Alba]

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Has anybody actually confirmed with the EU that they will grant another extension? Everyone seems to think it's a foregone conclusion.

Good question, but it won't happen as long with Bozo is PM, as he cannot possibly afford to allow it, given his strident commitment to leaving on Halloween. He knows that failure to achieve that means he's finished.

[Hibrandenburg]

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They would def grant it. A hard brexit is bad for them as well.


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I'm not so sure. I suppose a lot will depend on who is asking and what for.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Good question, but it won't happen as long with Bozo is PM, as he cannot possibly afford to allow it, given his strident commitment to leaving on Halloween. He knows that failure to achieve that means he's finished.

I'm starting to believe that the EU will cut their losses and run at some point. I think we're getting close to that point now.

[G B Young]

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You would rather have Bozo and more Tory crony capitalism - socialism for the rich (banks) and market discipline for the poor, would you?

There is nothing wrong with what Thornbury said. She accepts the 2016 referendum result whilst believing the UK is better off in the EU. That's the same position as former Tory Ken Clark and Bozo's brother Jo Johnson. She is willing to see us leave the EU but personally doesn't want it, which is my view too. It is entirely possible to do what one believes is one's duty without necessarily believe it's the right course of action. The UK referendum voted leave, we in Scotland did not, hence I am now pro-independence though I voted No in 2015. The UK voted leave so it should leave; but I have come to the conclusion that that decision is not right for Scotland; and, if you're looking to blame someone for the break up of the UK, look at Cameron, May and Johnson ad their lurch towards a right wing, bigoted English nationalism. They unleashed this vote and subsequent strategy.

I'd rather Scottish independence than a Corbyn government so in the event of Labour getting into power I'd join you in switching to the yes camp.

Even Thornberry realised her 'plan' for Brexit sounded laughable.

[mjhibby]

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Yes, Corbyn need only hand Bozo enough rope then stand back. Don't grant him a general election before the Brexit deadline.

Absolutely no need to.An election at the end of november will ensure no no deal Brexit and farage will wipe the floor with boris. Sit back and watch the toff bigots tearing into each other. The country will run out of popcorn.Marvellous

[Ozyhibby]

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Absolutely no need to.An election at the end of november will ensure no no deal Brexit and farage will wipe the floor with boris. Sit back and watch the toff bigots tearing into each other. The country will run out of popcorn.Marvellous

That has to be the plan for the opposition parties. They need to make him break his promise of leaving ‘do or die’. That keeps the brexit party in play which is why he is contemplating breaking the law. Either outcome is good for the opposition. They need to keep him in office as long as possible.


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[lapsedhibee]

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That has to be the plan for the opposition parties. They need to make him break his promise of leaving ‘do or die’. That keeps the brexit party in play which is why he is contemplating breaking the law. Either outcome is good for the opposition. They need to keep him in office as long as possible.

Don't see him lasting in office until the end of October. He doesn't seem the type to be up for a struggle of any kind. And he's nowhere near physically fit enough for one. Bye Bye Bathtoy, Bathtoy Bye Bye

[Ozyhibby]

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Don't see him lasting in office until the end of October. He doesn't seem the type to be up for a struggle of any kind. And he's nowhere near physically fit enough for one. Bye Bye Bathtoy, Bathtoy Bye Bye

If he quits that’s good too.


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[lapsedhibee]

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If he quits that’s good too.

Maybe then the 96,000 could vote to give Raab or Govey a shot at telling Johnny Foreigner what's what.

[Moulin Yarns]

London high Court rejected challenge to close down parliament

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49604584

[JeMeSouviens]

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If Corbyn didn't exist Thornberry alone would be enough to put you off ever voting Labour. Misplaced smugness masking a complete inability to provide a coherent explanation of her party's actual policy on all this. And yes, claiming that if Labour came into power (perish the thought) she would negotiate a new Brexit deal with the EU then campaign against what she'd just negotiated...

In saying that, I had to switch off after about 15 minutes. I pretty much hate Question Time full stop, but thought I'd tune in to get an idea of the current 'zeitgeist'. As others have said, what a car crash. The radio presenter (can't remember his name) was correct in saying they might as well pack up and let the audience take over.

I gave up on it years ago. Especially when there are interesting things happening, much better on Newsnight.

[degenerated]

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Chat that govt could bring a one line bill forward which bypasses tonight's vote enabling a GE in mid October. Seemingly only needs 50% to pass and radio saying SNP would back it, getting it over the line.

No idea how credible it all is.

Not at all credible. It was a lie started by the lib dems, christine jardine made herself look like a right arse on twitter over it.


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[Cataplana]

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Tice is like that whatever show he's on, and whoever he's on with.

He wasn't the only one.

Sorry, I only tuned in for a couple of minutes, so I didn't get the other names. The guy on Blackfords left didn't do himself any favours either.

It's going to get ugly, the establishment will stop at nothing to get what they want.

[degenerated]

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Even if there was the promise of an Indyref2 up for grabs, there's no way the SNP would do this - they know that they'd lose a huge number of supporters.

Its typical lib dem behaviour, they really are the worst sort of people.

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[Bristolhibby]

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Had to laugh at Emily Thornberry and her plan to negotiate a deal and then campaign to remain - utterly bizarre

Which is how it should have been done in the first black.

Not Cameron’s limp deal, but a full on Exit deal. Then put it to the people.

The status quo
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The Negotiated Exit AND subsequent trade deal

BREXIT referendum should have been the green light to begin discussions on exit before going back to the people to confirm / reject the “Deal”.

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[lapsedhibee]

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He wasn't the only one.

Sorry, I only tuned in for a couple of minutes, so I didn't get the other names. The guy on Blackfords left didn't do himself any favours either.

Iain Dale, Brexiter LBC host. He's normally very reasonable. Not sure quite why he seemed to get so upset that Thornberry was calling Johnson a liar. Switched off very soon after that. Any Questions on the radiobox isn't much better than QT.

[Cataplana]

Diane Abbot doing what she does, criticising Boris for making police cadets stand for an hour .

It's not like they'll be doing that when they are coppers, us it?

She is a one woman disaster zone.

[lapsedhibee]

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Diane Abbot doing what she does, criticising Boris for making police cadets stand for an hour .

It's not like they'll be doing that when they are coppers, us it?

She is a one woman disaster zone.

Can there ever have been, at the same time, two worse front benches than these?

[JeMeSouviens]

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Diane Abbot doing what she does, criticising Boris for making police cadets stand for an hour .

It's not like they'll be doing that when they are coppers, us it?

She is a one woman disaster zone.

I didn't see the programme but I think it's legitimate to question the PM using the police force as a backdrop to a highly political statement. The Police Federation have today criticised using the police in this way.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Can there ever have been, at the same time, two worse front benches than these?

... and simultaneously, back benches on both sides stuffed with so much talent?

[Peevemor]

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Diane Abbot doing what she does, criticising Boris for making police cadets stand for an hour .

It's not like they'll be doing that when they are coppers, us it?

She is a one woman disaster zone.

As anyone who's done any militaristic type stuff knows, standing still for an hour is extremely difficult. Even the sentries at Buckingham Palace & the like get to move around every so often.

[Hibrandenburg]

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... and simultaneously, back benches on both sides stuffed with so much talent?

Anyone with 2 brain cells wouldn't touch Brexit with a barge pole.

[mjhibby]

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I gave up on it years ago. Especially when there are interesting things happening, much better on Newsnight.

Only issue i have with newsnight and channel four news is the likes of kirsty wark not letting the guys finish. These are extraordinary times so lets at least let everybody explain their position. Newsnight was going downhill imho but has been excellent the last few weeks. The two guys covering Brexit have been unbiased and explained it superbly.

[mjhibby]

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Can there ever have been, at the same time, two worse front benches than these?

Max hastings of all people summed it up superbly. We are being asked to choose betwern two awful choices. Unless we get a moderate centrist govt then we will keep swinging between extremes. Both of the main parties are run by ideologues instead of having a govt for the people. Its an utter disgrace that the uk and USA have become a choice of two extreme parties. The fact thst the likes of ken clarke snd Dominic grieve seem some of the few sane ones at Westminster says it all.. Ken clarke for pm in a coalition and Harriet harmon as chancellor. Not as far fetched as you think if the tories return under 300 mps which is a distinct possibility.

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...dmit-g7zh5s7td

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[JeMeSouviens]

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Only issue i have with newsnight and channel four news is the likes of kirsty wark not letting the guys finish. These are extraordinary times so lets at least let everybody explain their position. Newsnight was going downhill imho but has been excellent the last few weeks. The two guys covering Brexit have been unbiased and explained it superbly.

There are interviews where this is necessary because the interviewee is just waffling to fill time and avoid the question but I agree that in countering that Kirsty W and Emily Maitlis sometimes err the other way and cut people off who are actually saying something interesting.

I think Newsnight poached Sky's political editor a while back which is probably the source of the improvement. It's been very good anyway.

[mjhibby]

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There are interviews where this is necessary because the interviewee is just waffling to fill time and avoid the question but I agree that in countering that Kirsty W and Emily Maitlis sometimes err the other way and cut people off who are actually saying something interesting.

I think Newsnight poached Sky's political editor a while back which is probably the source of the improvement. It's been very good anyway.

Yup.Vast improvement recently.Im all for cutting off party political speeches as answers but the likes of the snp and labour guys have been cut off too many times. Ill live with it as long as it maintains the improvement.