Brexit - What Now.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I’m going to say it as I want to be honest, I hope we leave without a deal. It will undoubtedly lead to Scottish independence and that’s what I think is the best option for Scotland right now. I voted to remain and even when leave won I never thought for a second we’d be in this position. It’s time to pull up the drawbridge and let England get on with whatever it wants to do. It’s time we looked after ourselves and put the question back to the Scottish people. It’s beyond my comprehension as to why anyone would look at the current situation and think we’d not be better by leaving it behind. I know I’m being selfish, but I want my daughter to grow up in a country that has the same prospects and rights that I had. I’m a middle aged man that has made his choices in life for good or bad, my daughter is a child that has all that ahead of her. I might be being a bit dramatic, but my daughter is my life and the thought of her growing up in a country that appears to be moving ever further to the right saddens me.

Be very careful what you wish for. I completely understand your sentiment but it is widely understood that no deal would be economically damaging for Ireland. That being true, there’s absolutely no way it can be anything other than horrendous here. We are totally geared for getting things to/from the EU via England and our economy is heavily interlinked with rUK.

If it happens then indy is our way out of the wreckage in the long term but don’t kid yourself, thousands of people will lose their jobs. It will be painful.

[lord bunberry]

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Be very careful what you wish for. I completely understand your sentiment but it is widely understood that no deal would be economically damaging for Ireland. That being true, there’s absolutely no way it can be anything other than horrendous here. We are totally geared for getting things to/from the EU via England and our economy is heavily interlinked with rUK.

If it happens then indy is our way out of the wreckage in the long term but don’t kid yourself, thousands of people will lose their jobs. It will be painful.

I agree with you, but I think it’s inevitable. If it’s not at the end of October then it will happen after the tories win a general election. I don’t want to delay the inevitable and I think that no deal while remaining in the UK will be worse than no deal with us independent and part of the EU. You mentioned Ireland, I would hope that Scotland and Ireland would be able to work together to negate some of the problems.

[lord bunberry]

We also have to remember that an independent Scotland in the EU would be able to take up a lot of the business that the rUK would previously had. Obviously we’d firstly be in the EEA.

[Peevemor]

Judge's decision on interim interdict due any minute now.

https://twitter.com/BBCandrewpicken

[Moulin Yarns]

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Judge's decision on interim interdict due any minute now.

https://twitter.com/BBCandrewpicken

LD says he's not satisfied there's 'cogent need' for interim interdict

[Moulin Yarns]

LD says full hearing should be brought forward to Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest next week.

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Aidan O'Neill now for the parliamentarians and arguing for hearing to take place on Monday.

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Roddy Dunlop for the UK Government now asking for hearing to take place on Wednesday due to pre existing commitments of the counsel.

[Peevemor]

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Roddy Dunlop for the UK Government now asking for hearing to take place on Wednesday due to pre existing commitments of the counsel.

Maybe he can postpone the round of golf he has planned?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Maybe he can postpone the round of golf he has planned?

I think you could be right. Government delaying tactics.

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Lord Doherty rules the full hearing takes place on Tuesday given the substantive public interest.

[Peevemor]

Tuesday it is.

Ding ding...

[Moulin Yarns]

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Tuesday it is.

Ding ding...

I'll second that.

[Peevemor]

Typical Beeb

"Judge refuses to halt parliament suspension plans"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-49521132

They don't mention that the Interim Interdict wouldn't serve much purpose with there being a full hearing to follow. I'd say that's why the judge is saying there wasn't a "cogent need".

The headline could have read "Judge orders earlier hearing to be brought forward by 4 days".

[lapsedhibee]

Aidan O’Neill QC says they want a sworn affidavit from prime minister Boris Johnson saying - on oath - why he needs to prorogue parliament. If Johnson refuses to provide a sworn statement, O’Neill suggests he could be called to give evidence.

[Hibee87]

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Typical Beeb

"Judge refuses to halt parliament suspension plans"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland...itics-49521132

They don't mention that the Interim Interdict wouldn't serve much purpose with there being a full hearing to follow. I'd say that's why the judge is saying there wasn't a "cogent need".

I also dont get why the Judge being Scottish is relevant, unless I am missing something, it seems a strange way to put a sentence -
A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.

[Peevemor]

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Aidan O’Neill QC says they want a sworn affidavit from prime minister Boris Johnson saying - on oath - why he needs to prorogue parliament. If Johnson refuses to provide a sworn statement, O’Neill suggests he could be called to give evidence.

I'd pay to watch that.

[Peevemor]

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I also dont get why the Judge being Scottish is relevant, unless I am missing something, it seems a strange way to put a sentence -
A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.

I think it's more in reference to it being the Court of Session, ie. Scottish judge = Scottish court.

[lapsedhibee]

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I also dont get why the Judge being Scottish is relevant, unless I am missing something, it seems a strange way to put a sentence -
A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.

Possibly because there's another couple of similar legal challenges coming in other parts of the UK.

[lapsedhibee]

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I'd pay to watch that.

Don't think Johnson would have the slightest qualm about wafflying on oath, on paper or in court.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I also dont get why the Judge being Scottish is relevant, unless I am missing something, it seems a strange way to put a sentence -
A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.

It's an explainer for metropolitan types - these Scots aren't total savages you know, they have courts'n'judges'n'stuff. Not proper ones like ours but still ...

[Peevemor]

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Don't think Johnson would have the slightest qualm about wafflying on oath, on paper or in court.

Maybe not, but he'd have a job explaining why he needs 5 weeks to do what other governments have done in a maximum of 2, particularly with the slightly pressing business of Brexit to be sorted out.

[cabbageandribs1875]

imagine the seethe from brexiteers down south....damn scots mon english independence

[lapsedhibee]

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Maybe not, but he'd have a job explaining why he needs 5 weeks to do what other governments have done in a maximum of 2, particularly with the slightly pressing business of Brexit to be sorted out.

He'd just blithely say what he's being saying to the media, that it's all normal blabla. And if required to answer properly, would just repeat his non-answer. But agree it would be a fine thing if The Scottish Judge ended up branding him a glib and shameless waffler.

[CloudSquall]

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I also dont get why the Judge being Scottish is relevant, unless I am missing something, it seems a strange way to put a sentence -
A Scottish judge has refused to order a temporary halt to Boris Johnson's plan to shut down the UK Parliament.

It's the shock factor that "those jocks" have any power in this union.

[JeMeSouviens]

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We also have to remember that an independent Scotland in the EU would be able to take up a lot of the business that the rUK would previously had. Obviously we’d firstly be in the EEA.

We'd have a huge competitive advantage as (along with Ireland) the English speaking bridge to the European market.

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John major joining English legal action against proroguing parliament.

[Ozyhibby]

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We'd have a huge competitive advantage as (along with Ireland) the English speaking bridge to the European market.

And one of those major advantages would be our legal system. All the EU work that currently goes through London would likely come here rather than Dublin.


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[CloudSquall]

We would want to move quickly though if we want London based companies to move to Edinburgh / rest of Scotland, the Netherlands are already in talks apparently with 50 companies regarding moves to Amsterdam.

[Killiehibbie]

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We would want to move quickly though if we want London based companies to move to Edinburgh / rest of Scotland, the Netherlands are already in talks apparently with 50 companies regarding moves to Amsterdam.

Diageo must've been well ahead of the game, many of their brands 'moved' there years ago.