(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[lapsedhibee]

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I honestly don’t think he goes without a fight even if he loses in 2020.

He has unfinished business.
Buses in Montgomery aren't segregated yet.

[Fife-Hibee]

Even if he loses the 2020 elections (which i'm terrified to say he probably won't). Him and his millions upon millions of cultists won't lay down and accept it. They'll become violent very quickly and will look to overthrow the democratic system using any force necessary.

I personally don't mind America tearing itself apart. Anybody that knows me knows that I hold out no love for that nation and it's international antics. I just hope the better half wins in the end and the country can reform itself.

[Fife-Hibee]

"If you don't like it here, then leave."

https://twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/sta...43585979457539

[Hibrandenburg]

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It doesn't matter though, does it? The very fact that Trump became president and is still held in such high regard by his followers shows that rational, reasonable people are losing the battle. Thinking has become a thing of the past. It's much easier to follow the braindead rhetoeric of the far-right.



Not a chance will he ever be made to step foot in a jail cell. The closest he's ever been and ever will be to a jail cell are those childrens detention camps he visits. He has too much money and creates too many jobs to be treated equally by the legal system.

Time will tell, but I fully expect to see him wearing a suit the colour of which will match his face.

[marinello59]

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"If you don't like it here, then leave."

https://twitter.com/SpillerOfTea/sta...43585979457539

I’ve said he was a Fascist since the day he was elected. Let’s just keep calling him that.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Time will tell, but I fully expect to see him wearing a suit the colour of which will match his face.

I'd love to believe that. But Trump already had too much influence and power to face jail before he became president. I can't see him facing jail after it's over either. If it means thousands of jobs at risk, corporate America will step in and ensure it doesn't happen.

[Future17]

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It doesn't matter though, does it? The very fact that Trump became president and is still held in such high regard by his followers shows that rational, reasonable people are losing the battle. Thinking has become a thing of the past. It's much easier to follow the braindead rhetoeric of the far-right.

Of course it matters. There are people who will not be dissuaded from voting for Trump, there are people who will never be persuaded to vote for him and there are those who could be persuaded either way. It's up to the rational, reasonable people to make the arguments which will persuade the persuadable.

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There are always lines that need to be drawn between what is acceptable and what is unacceptable, they need to be clear and unambiguous.

If you don't accept certain types of message from the likes of Britain First, you can't accept it from the president of the USA.

Accepting it from the president empowers the racists all around the world who might ask, with some justification, why their messages are not allowed and his are.

It's a good point and I agree in principle. I just wonder, in this specific situation, what the lesser evil is.

[CloudSquall]

To play devil's advocate, will the average working American that doesn't use Twitter care that much?


Stock market regularly making new highs which bumps up the 401k value, economic growth that Europe could only dream of currently, positive jobs numbers month after month.

If I'm a working man in the US with a mortgage to pay, college and retirement to save for, I'm Trump 2020.

[Future17]

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To play devil's advocate, will the average working American that doesn't use Twitter care that much?


Stock market regularly making new highs which bumps up the 401k value, economic growth that Europe could only dream of currently, positive jobs numbers month after month.

If I'm a working man in the US with a mortgage to pay, college and retirement to save for, I'm Trump 2020.

I can't judge that, but I can say the story has been all over the US news since the initial tweets.

[Ozyhibby]

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To play devil's advocate, will the average working American that doesn't use Twitter care that much?


Stock market regularly making new highs which bumps up the 401k value, economic growth that Europe could only dream of currently, positive jobs numbers month after month.

If I'm a working man in the US with a mortgage to pay, college and retirement to save for, I'm Trump 2020.

The current stock market run began under Obama. Besides, you don’t need a racist in charge for prosperity.



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[JeMeSouviens]

His chance of re-election is not great. He doesn't get to run against Hillary (not liked much by Dems, loathed by Republicans) this time. Even against Hillary he was a couple of million behind on the popular vote and squeaked through thanks to narrow wins in the rust belt states. Either Biden or Sanders will kill him there.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Of course it matters. There are people who will not be dissuaded from voting for Trump, there are people who will never be persuaded to vote for him and there are those who could be persuaded either way. It's up to the rational, reasonable people to make the arguments which will persuade the persuadable.

Do you honestly think rational, reasonable people voted for Trump the first time?

What makes you think they're going to be anymore rational or reasonable next time?

[JeMeSouviens]

Can't find a chart, but the numbers are pretty clear:

Trump v Sanders
Trump v Biden

[Future17]

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Do you honestly think rational, reasonable people voted for Trump the first time?

What makes you think they're going to be anymore rational or reasonable next time?

You must have misread my post as I didn't say rational and reasonable people voted for Trump the first time.

FWIW, I have no idea whether they did or not. It is, however, dangerous and unproductive to assume anyone who disagrees with your opinion is irrational and/or unreasonable.

[danhibees1875]

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You must have misread my post as I didn't say rational and reasonable people voted for Trump the first time.

FWIW, I have no idea whether they did or not. It is, however, dangerous and unproductive to assume anyone who disagrees with your opinion is irrational and/or unreasonable.

I won't pretend to know the numbers involved in the vote or how widespread this opinion was but to add to your point... The only person I know who lived in the US at the time worked in an office full of people who claimed to dislike both candidates and simply weren't going to vote.

That would have an impact if it's a commonly held view.

[Future17]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49035505

Chilling, worrying and a little heart breaking.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Uh oh, British flagged tanker seized by the Iranians in the strait.

[Hibernia&Alba]

That rally the other day, in which his supporters were chanting "send them back" in reference to four black U.S. Congresswomen (three were born in the USA) was deeply disturbing. It was like a Nazi rally. His base consists of unreconstructed racists and the hard right wing of the Republican Party. Whilst many of his voters in swing states voted on other issue issues, such as their anger at growing inequality and loss of manufacturing jobs, his core support is nativist and bigoted. Those are the people who not only don't mind Trump's racist rhetoric and policies but who actually welcome them, and they will support Trump no matter what. There is nothing he can say about ethnic minorities that will ever offend them.

[lapsedhibee]

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That rally the other day, in which his supporters were chanting "send them back" in reference to four black U.S. Congresswomen (three were born in the USA) was deeply disturbing. It was like a Nazi rally. His base consists of unreconstructed racists and the hard right wing of the Republican Party. Whilst many of his voters in swing states voted on other issue issues, such as their anger at growing inequality and loss of manufacturing jobs, his core support is nativist and bigoted. Those are the people who not only don't mind Trump's racist rhetoric and policies but who actually welcome them, and they will support Trump no matter what. There is nothing he can say about ethnic minorities say that will ever offend them.

except that they were only chanting for one of the four to be sent back (the one with the darkest skin).

[Hibernia&Alba]

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except that they were only chanting for one of the four to be sent back (the one with the darkest skin).

Yes, you're right. It was Trump's tweet prior to the rally which suggested all four should 'go back where they came from', even though three were born in the USA and the other is an American citizen.

[Future17]

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That rally the other day, in which his supporters were chanting "send them back" in reference to four black U.S. Congresswomen (three were born in the USA) was deeply disturbing. It was like a Nazi rally. His base consists of unreconstructed racists and the hard right wing of the Republican Party. Whilst many of his voters in swing states voted on other issue issues, such as their anger at growing inequality and loss of manufacturing jobs, his core support is nativist and bigoted. Those are the people who not only don't mind Trump's racist rhetoric and policies but who actually welcome them, and they will support Trump no matter what. There is nothing he can say about ethnic minorities that will ever offend them.

It's an aside to your point, but not all four congresswomen are black. They are all from different ethnic backgrounds.

[theonlywayisup]

Trump and Boris - unbelievable.

The world has had some inspirational leaders but now we have these jokers

[Fife-Hibee]

Trump: "Boris Johnson is what they want. They call him the British Trump. They like me over there."

[Hibrandenburg]

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Trump and Boris - unbelievable.

The world has had some inspirational leaders but now we have these jokers

You're forgetting Nigel, Trump just flirting with him at a US rally. Embarrassing.

[Fife-Hibee]

US just one step away from public floggings.

[southsider]

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US just one step away from public floggings.

Still have the death penalty alongside such forward thinking nations such as India, Pakistan Afghanistan, China & Iran. Coming to your city centre soon thru Priti Patel.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Still have the death penalty alongside such forward thinking nations such as India, Pakistan Afghanistan, China & Iran. Coming to your city centre soon thru Priti Patel.

You forgot their commander in chief, Saudi Arabia.

[Future17]

Trump threatening to raise tariffs on French wine:

Asked about the issue in the Oval Office later, Mr Trump, who is teetotal, said: "I've always liked American wines better than French wines. Even though I don't drink wine. I just like the way they look."

[lapsedhibee]

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Trump threatening to raise tariffs on French wine:

Asked about the issue in the Oval Office later, Mr Trump, who is teetotal, said: "I've always liked American wines better than French wines. Even though I don't drink wine. I just like the way they look."

Quite impressed with that statement TBH.

He's grasped that the adjective meaning from France is 'French'. A nicety which he didn't manage the other day when describing Bojoke as 'the Britain Trump'.

[Jack Hackett]

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Trump threatening to raise tariffs on French wine:

Asked about the issue in the Oval Office later, Mr Trump, who is teetotal, said: "I've always liked American wines better than French wines. Even though I don't drink wine. I just like the way they look."