Summer 2019 transfer thread

[CapitalGreen]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

I’m not sure you fully understand the meaning of the word journeyman. Of all the players we have signed, Scott Allan is probably the closest to the definition of journeyman.

[BoomtownHibees]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

What constitutes “journeymen” with our signings?

[Allant1981]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

Why bother even typing this rubbish out

[04Sauzee]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

James
Jackson
Newall
Vella

None of the above are journeymen

[matty_f]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

I don’t think that the result against Stirling, and the subsequent win for Arbroath, tells us anything about the quality of players we’ve signed otherwise we’d be expecting lots of Championship and English League 1 clubs to be scouting and signing from Arbroath.

[berwickhibee]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

We werent lucky to draw with stirling albion,we should have won comfortably.

[Sir David Gray]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

I don't think we have signed journeymen (I think you need to look up the meaning of the word) but it does remain to be seen whether the signings will work out, the early signs haven't been fantastic.

I do agree with your first sentence though, I think today is a big day for Heckingbottom and a convincing win is needed after last week's horror show.

[worcesterhibby]

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I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

excellent post, full of reasoned thinking and good sense. Personally I think Jackson will start ahead of McGregor this season but otherwise I’m in complete agreement. I also don’t think our transfer business is over at all. Another defensive midfielder will come in and likely a striker too.

[Eyrie]

We still need one more workhorse in midfield who could be Omeonga or a youngster. That would allow us to play Allan, Mallan and Vela in games against weaker opposition and Allan, Vela and the one more in the big games.

I'm not convinced that we need another striker if we're only playing one up front, because that is either Doidge or Kamberi which means we've got a big wage sitting on the bench doing nothing. I'd rather have Shaw as the cheap third striker who does score goals. The exception would be if we can find a player who can both play through the middle and out wide. Based on last season, that isn't Kamberi.

I also find it interesting that we didn't bring back Agyepong as a fourth winger. Maybe he didn't show us enough last season, or maybe Mac City want him to get more playing time than we could offer.

[Iain G]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

About time? Half of them have been here for only ta few weeks!

[Ray_]

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Fine. But I’m getting bored of folk who haven’t actually seen us play yet this season giving it the full ‘we’re never good enough’.

What about the ones who have seen us and are saying the same thing?

[hibbie02]

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Have a day off ffs

For someone with so many opinions, you are quick to slag people off if they have them. Just because I have a different view to you, doesn't mean I can't have one.

[Stuart93]

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For someone with so many opinions, you are quick to slag people off if they have them. Just because I have a different view to you, doesn't mean I can't have one.

Aye you are but for ****sake, you have us doomed for years to come 😂

[Captain Trips]

I read we won't challenge for 4th with this team or worse, Celtic, Sevco, Aberdeen all better than us? OK that is fair argument.

I fail to see from the rest of the clubs many players I would swap with ours and also some Aberdeen and some Sevco I wouldn't have.

I would be stunned if we were not in the mix for 4th pushing 3rd. What is so good about the other clubs?

[Groathillgrump]

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After reading page after page of this thread, musing over the merits of the players we have brought in and looking at our last few results I can confidently say I haven't got the first clue how our season is going to pan out.

Everything could click and we might be brilliant, or we have signed a load of duds and we are fooooked …. I haven't seen any of the new guys play and I wont until the Arbroath game, but if anybody who has seen us play recently can come on here and tell me they have seen signs that any of our new signings are going to turn out to be legends in the making I would love to here it, because so far nobody seems very excited by them.

Not aimed at you, NAE NOOKIE but it's a bit early for anyone to be deciding if any of the new guys will become legends. Be honest, did anyone think David Gray would become our winning goal scoring captain in a Scottish Cup final when we signed him from Burton Albion? When he signed I bet most of us on here were bumping our gums about how we'd never heard of him and he must be crap because he'd been playing for Burton.

People need to have a bit patience and give the newbies a chance to bed in before making snap decisions on their ability or lack of it!

[Brightside]

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You cant count the draw if you dont think the season has started yet?

From tomorrow BH.

[CorrieHibs]

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I don’t understand the theory that we’re weaker than last season in the slightest. We have brought in 7 players who IMO are all of a good enough standard to play important roles in any matchday squad this season. We lost 11 players in the summer but only 3 of them played any sort of major part in the season and especially under hecky those being Milligan omeonga and mcnulty.

Omeonga has been replaced with Scott Allan both players IMO hecky will see as the main attacking CM on the left of the three and for me Scott Allan wins that duel every day of the week.

Milligan has now been replaced with Vela, vela comes in with a very good reputation and seems a bit of a coup. I liked Milligan and would have happily seen him stay but vela appears to have much more energy which hecky virtually states was the reason he let Milligan go. For me that’s 2-0 to the new signings.

Finally Mark McNulty has been replaced with Doidge, this one for me is 50/50 McNulty came in and done a good job for us, but let’s not forget that for half his loan spell he didn’t score and really wasn’t influencing games at all, he had an excellent start to his loan spell and for what it’s worth I would have taken him back(would still like to). So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from doidge and think he will score plenty goals from the good delivery Allan mallan can provide from set plays and also Boyle and Horgan from wide areas, he will also offer a very good Ariel threat when we need to get up the park quickly so for me like I said 50/50. I’ll say 3-1 to the new signings in terms of starting 11 players.

Our other recruits in Maxwell, James, Jackson and newell have seen us directly replace bogdan, strengthen our defence along with porteous coming back and newell adding another option wide or also as a centre mid in the Scott Allan role on the left of CM.

Players who have left that haven’t been mentioned, Lewis Allan(1 start and 3/4 sub apps0 goals) Marvin Bartley(big hero but hardly featured) Ross Laidlaw(didn’t feature last season) Thomas Ageypong (11 appearances 1 goal) Miquel Nelom (3 appearances) Johnathon Spector( 1 sub appearance) Gael Bigarama ( 1 sub appearance).

An additional point would also be we have the emergence of Oli Shaw with a full seasons experience and now a proper first team player( like it or not he scored important goals and had a good return last year) Fraser Murray who has been my pick of Pre season and sean Mackie all now first team players with Josh Campbell and Ben Stirling now filling the role of “youngsters”.

I’d imagine come st mirren our starting 11 and bench will look like this,

Marciano
Gray Hanlon McGregor Mackie
Mallan vela Allan
Boyle. Doidge Horgan

Bench: maxwell Jackson James newell shaw kamberi murray.

That’s with Stevenson slivka and porteous out injured.

For me that’s a very strong squad of 21 players with the likes of Whittaker Stirling and Campbell supplementing it and a squad more than capable of finishing top 4

Good sensible post.

Don’t think we’re far away. I have no idea what formation, Hecky will play. But, I do think out the 7 signings. 5 will start. He talks about Newell balancing out the midfield, because he is left footed.

I do like that team, but I think Jackson will start ahead of Daz. The 3 in the middle looks good on paper, but I think it’s between Allan and Mallan. Can’t see them in the same midfield. To play 3 in the midfield you need 2 ball winners. Vela being one, still think we’ll go out and get another.

Rocky
Gray Jackson Hanlon Stevenson
Horgan Vela Allan Newell
Doidge Kamberi

As I said, no idea if we go 442, 433 or 4231.

[neil7908]

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I read we won't challenge for 4th with this team or worse, Celtic, Sevco, Aberdeen all better than us? OK that is fair argument.

I fail to see from the rest of the clubs many players I would swap with ours and also some Aberdeen and some Sevco I wouldn't have.

I would be stunned if we were not in the mix for 4th pushing 3rd. What is so good about the other clubs?

I think this is a good shout. I have some concerns about the squad but excited for this season and hope we'll bring in another 1 or 2.

But I think your main point is correct - apart from the 3 you've mentioned who I do expect to be ahead of us, who else in the league is going to be pushing us?

Hearts will be there and there abouts. Killie might continue their form under Clarke but not looking likely at this stage.

Then who? Motherwell, St Johnstone? Are they anything special?

I'd be shocked if we end up bottom 6. Likely to be fighting for 4th imo.

[The Modfather]

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We still need one more workhorse in midfield who could be Omeonga or a youngster. That would allow us to play Allan, Mallan and Vela in games against weaker opposition and Allan, Vela and the one more in the big games.

I'm not convinced that we need another striker if we're only playing one up front, because that is either Doidge or Kamberi which means we've got a big wage sitting on the bench doing nothing. I'd rather have Shaw as the cheap third striker who does score goals. The exception would be if we can find a player who can both play through the middle and out wide. Based on last season, that isn't Kamberi.

I also find it interesting that we didn't bring back Agyepong as a fourth winger. Maybe he didn't show us enough last season, or maybe Mac City want him to get more playing time than we could offer.

I thought it was quite straightforward with Agyepong. We took a gamble on him due to his known injury record and it failed. I’d not want to take that gamble a second time.

[Captain Trips]

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I think this is a good shout. I have some concerns about the squad but excited for this season and hope we'll bring in another 1 or 2.

But I think your main point is correct - apart from the 3 you've mentioned who I do expect to be ahead of us, who else in the league is going to be pushing us?

Hearts will be there and there abouts. Killie might continue their form under Clarke but not looking likely at this stage.

Then who? Motherwell, St Johnstone? Are they anything special?

I'd be shocked if we end up bottom 6. Likely to be fighting for 4th imo.

If I was concerned about Hearts squad and all the rest then we would need to be in very sorry state. As it stands I am not even concerned about Aberdeen or Sevco.

[hibbie02]

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Aye you are but for ****sake, you have us doomed for years to come 😂

Having been a Hibs fan for 50+ years, I have seen my share of highs and lows, and there have been many lows. I just want to see a steady progression and hopefully the new regime will allow that to happen. I just feel we have not been bringing in better (even a little better) than we had last term. We are still at least 2 good players away from challenging for top 4.

[Lago]

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today feels like a big day for PH

he's signed a whole load of lower league english journeymen (shades of 2012)

arbroath destroyed stirling 6-1

yet the journeymen drew 1-1 with stirling and were lucky to do so

it's getting to time we saw something from these guys that shows they are at Hibs level

Don't you just love that term 'journeyman'

[Brightside]

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Having been a Hibs fan for 50+ years, I have seen my share of highs and lows, and there have been many lows. I just want to see a steady progression and hopefully the new regime will allow that to happen. I just feel we have not been bringing in better (even a little better) than we had last term. We are still at least 2 good players away from challenging for top 4.

Who will be forth then?

[Allant1981]

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Having been a Hibs fan for 50+ years, I have seen my share of highs and lows, and there have been many lows. I just want to see a steady progression and hopefully the new regime will allow that to happen. I just feel we have not been bringing in better (even a little better) than we had last term. We are still at least 2 good players away from challenging for top 4.

So the players we have brought in must be pretty good then if we only need an extra 2 to challenge for a top 4 place? Why not give the guys more than 1 competitive game before deciding if they are any better

[HFC93]

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Don't you just love that term 'journeyman'

Got to love this place at times. This narrative that all the new signings are lower league journeymen is bizzare.

[Hibby70]

I was in a bar in Aberdeen the season before we got relegated and a guy was moaning about Hanlon and Stevenson, saying they were Journeymen!!!

[hibbie02]

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Who will be forth then?

Progression from last season would mean us in fourth. That would put us where we were 2 seasons ago. I just don't see us having the players yet to get us there. My point is we need 2 good players still, to be better than we were last year. I will be very happy if I am wrong.

[04Sauzee]

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Progression from last season would mean us in fourth. That would put us where we were 2 seasons ago. I just don't see us having the players yet to get us there. My point is we need 2 good players still, to be better than we were last year. I will be very happy if I am wrong.

I'm not sure that kilmarnock are better squad wise than they were last season? Jury is out on Aberdeen

[Brightside]

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Progression from last season would mean us in fourth. That would put us where we were 2 seasons ago. I just don't see us having the players yet to get us there. My point is we need 2 good players still, to be better than we were last year. I will be very happy if I am wrong.

But other teams are involved in that equation. Killie. Hearts. Will they improve?

[SHODAN]

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I was in a bar in Aberdeen the season before we got relegated and a guy was moaning about Hanlon and Stevenson, saying they were Journeymen!!!

That doesn't even make sense.