Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[Fife-Hibee]

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I am sure they welcome the bill if it does not get in the way, I absolutely think it will.

It will stretch already scare resources, I don't see how it can't.

I don't think time will tell, it will never happen and quietly dropped in the coming years.

"I absolutely think" and "I don't think" are just your opinion.

Or taken directly from this site, which makes no attempt at balance in it's selective use of quotes. - https://no2np.org/

[Just Alf]

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No, it's not right, they should be consistent. It should be 18 and over if that's what the general election rules are.

Ta, agree consistency is key.

[Mibbes Aye]

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Ta, agree consistency is key.

It is an interesting one because instinctively I agree but rationally I recognise we are talking two different things.

The electoral franchise is the electoral franchise and while I agree it should be consistent, it does raise questions of what happens should the administration of the day in Westminster, Holyrood, Cardiff or Stormont (if it ever resumes) find itself wishing to pursue a particular and potentially controversial direction e.g. votes for 16 year olds, votes for prisoners etc etc AND this isn’t the view of other administrations. There are cross-border mechanisms for resolving such issues, involving ministers and civil servants but when it comes to social policy issues, I’m not sure if they can always resolve such things.

Technically, the Tory leadership election isn’t electoral franchise, it’s I guess an essentially private election for members of a political party, or rather constituency associations, grouped together under an umbrella that is the ‘Conservative Party’. Their Young Conservatives wing are regarded as full members of their constituency associations and therefore get to vote as full members. I’m guessing based on the reporting that the minimum age for YCs is 15.

It doesn’t seem necessarily the best way of deciding a new PM to say the least, but Labour isn’t dissimilar, certainly when it had the bloc union votes prior to OMOV, and perhaps still, in the advent of a mass swelling of membership due to low joining rates and the retaining of affiliate union votes. I’m not up to speed with the process for Lib Dems , Greens, SNP, Brexit Party, Plaid Cymru but I am sure they will have foibles they could be challenged upon.

Just another example of the complicated and idiosyncratic system of constitutional politics on these islands. We could have adopted a formal constitution like France or the USA but it would be so less interesting

[GORDONSMITH7]

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https://twitter.com/scottories/statu...682326530?s=21

Scottish Tories blaming Scottish govt for high level of drug deaths despite drug policy being reserved and repeated requests for it to be devolved.


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As did some Tory dud, failed leadership contender on the Daily Politics show, when an SNP spokesperson was explaining what she thought was behind the appallingly figures. It was cringworthy stuff from him. Total arse.

BIG G

[GORDONSMITH7]

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I see the Tories are allowing 15 yr olds to vote for the next Leader/Prime Minister. Goes against the grain when they refuse 16 yr olds the vote in other elections.

Shysters.

It has always seemed to me that the age of 16, when you can marry and start a family or join the Armed Forces to be sent goodness knows where in the world,is enough to persuade me that 16 year old Universal Suffrage in the UK is long overdue. You are right @ronaldo7 these hypocritical horrors have argued for years that at 16 you are not mature enough to know what you are doing.

BIG G

[Jack]

I think this thread is a better place to discuss this as the born liar is about to become leader of the self serving shysters.

Career liar Boris stitched up by a kipper.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...hnson-s-kipper

[Fife-Hibee]

How cringeworthy can this lot get?


Be thankful? Thankful for what? Getting some more of our own tax revenue back?

[JeMeSouviens]

Excellent write up from the insightful Fintan O'Toole on Johnson:

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/201...n-ham-of-fate/

[Hibrandenburg]

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Excellent write up from the insightful Fintan O'Toole on Johnson:

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/201...n-ham-of-fate/

I enjoyed that, thanks.

[lapsedhibee]

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I enjoyed that, thanks.

F O'T never disappoints.

[Future17]

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Excellent write up from the insightful Fintan O'Toole on Johnson:

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/201...n-ham-of-fate/

That's a great read.

[Jack Hackett]

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Excellent write up from the insightful Fintan O'Toole on Johnson:

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/201...n-ham-of-fate/

Right on the money.

[Hibernia&Alba]

[Future17]

From the BBC's article on Johnson meeting Davidson:

"Talk of the Scottish Conservatives forming a breakaway party is premature. Ms Davidson says she will not allow it to happen on her watch. And a Scottish separation is not exactly a good look for a party that is supposed to be wholeheartedly supporting the Union between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

It may not solve any issues for the Tories in Scotland anyway. As one former Tory strategist put it to me - when they rebranded Marathon bars as Snickers they still had peanuts inside and if you have a nut allergy they are still a problem".

[Fife-Hibee]

Brexit latest: Number of UK firms in critical financial distress soars 17%
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8891451.html

[ronaldo7]

That's Boris done the box ticking exercise of visiting the "regions". Back to the metropolis to continue telling the masses to be positive.

Monday, it was the SNP's fault.
Tuesday it was Welsh labour.
Wednesday, after dining with his DUP mates, you could take your pick from Sinn Fein, or the Irish government.

Next up will be the EU intransigence.

[lapsedhibee]

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That's Boris done the box ticking exercise of visiting the "regions". Back to the metropolis to continue telling the masses to be positive.

Monday, it was the SNP's fault.
Tuesday it was Welsh labour.
Wednesday, after dining with his DUP mates, you could take your pick from Sinn Fein, or the Irish government.

Next up will be the EU intransigence.

His spokesdummies have been pumping that one out for about a week now. Laughably transparent strategy, but due in no small part to his Telegraph lies in previous decades it will probably work.

[southsider]

Had one clown on today speaking about 'our precious United Kingdom which has existed for 400 years. Wrong. The United Kingdom was formed in 1922 when 26 counties of the 32 in Ireland broke away to form Eire.
Anyway, Right wing Tories could well see the break up of the UK due to their desire for Brexix. Cant come soon enough.

[mjhibby]

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As did some Tory dud, failed leadership contender on the Daily Politics show, when an SNP spokesperson was explaining what she thought was behind the appallingly figures. It was cringworthy stuff from him. Total arse.

BIG G

Indeed. The Tory papers constantly criticise the SNP govt yet never criticise the Tories who utimately control the purse strings through govt grants. Unfortunately some gullible folk fall for this. The beaten generation,reared on a diet of predijuce and misinformation. Matt Johnsons words 35 years ago and totally relevant now. They have always been lying tax dodging loathsome people but their level of incompetence is actually overtaking their rabid right wing tendencies as just as damaging to ordinary folk.

[Fife-Hibee]

Why we can't trust the media in this county and why it frustrates me to no end that people still continue to do so.



https://i.ibb.co/GQwBPH5/eu-press-lies.png (Direct Link for larger image)

[southsider]

My wife fell for the curved banana's one until she remembered the date was April 1st.

[Moulin Yarns]

Just so that you know, the Scottish Tories are liars


https://twitter.com/ScotTories/statu...242699264?s=19

[Jack Hackett]

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Indeed. The Tory papers constantly criticise the SNP govt yet never criticise the Tories who utimately control the purse strings through govt grants. Unfortunately some gullible folk fall for this. The beaten generation,reared on a diet of predijuce and misinformation. Matt Johnsons words 35 years ago and totally relevant now. They have always been lying tax dodging loathsome people but their level of incompetence is actually overtaking their rabid right wing tendencies as just as damaging to ordinary folk.

You just gave me another grey hair. 35 years? F*** me!

[Fife-Hibee]

Ruth Davidson now the most unpopular "senior" tory in the whole of Britain - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...dson-jpn3fj9lj

Surely her position as leader of the branch in Scotland becomes untenable?

All of her chat on reforming the tories into a party of moderates that would appeal more to the Scottish electorate has been blown out of the water with the appointment of Boris Johnson.

It's hard to see how she can continue to speak up for the tories in Scotland, or even the union for that matter.

[Colr]

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Ruth Davidson now the most unpopular "senior" tory in the whole of Britain - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...dson-jpn3fj9lj

Surely her position as leader of the branch in Scotland becomes untenable?

All of her chat on reforming the tories into a party of moderates that would appeal more to the Scottish electorate has been blown out of the water with the appointment of Boris Johnson.

It's hard to see how she can continue to speak up for the tories in Scotland, or even the union for that matter.

After years of trying to make the Scottish Tories electable by giving them a distinct Scottish identity and voice, they appear to be destroying their own work.

English Tories just don't get how important this is but neither do Labour any more.

[Fife-Hibee]

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After years of trying to make the Scottish Tories electable by giving them a distinct Scottish identity and voice, they appear to be destroying their own work.

English Tories just don't get how important this is but neither do Labour any more.

As much as i'm a supporter of Scottish Independence, it's a real shame to see things play out this way.

[Colr]

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As much as i'm a supporter of Scottish Independence, it's a real shame to see things play out this way.

It's the same in Wales.

Again, English politicians don't get it and they don't understand independence either. They think its all about them and take it personally!! (Not that I'm much for independence myself).

[Mr Grieves]

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Ruth Davidson now the most unpopular "senior" tory in the whole of Britain - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...dson-jpn3fj9lj

Surely her position as leader of the branch in Scotland becomes untenable?

All of her chat on reforming the tories into a party of moderates that would appeal more to the Scottish electorate has been blown out of the water with the appointment of Boris Johnson.

It's hard to see how she can continue to speak up for the tories in Scotland, or even the union for that matter.

Mental. She was was one of the most popular tories only a few months ago. It shows how quickly her party have swung right behind a hard brexit and how completely irrelevant she is.

[SHODAN]

Ironic, but the Scottish Tories need their own independence.

[Fife-Hibee]

Tories going very hard on the view that they'll oppose #indyref2 no matter what.

This must go against basic democratic rights? How long can they really maintain such a position?