Years ago I worked with a guy, who was conservative in his views.
He said the solution to Glasgow's Heroin problem was to give the addicts two weeks notice that lethal Heroin was going to be put on the streets.
He sort of thought that would give people two weeks to get clean, or face the prospect of being eliminated.
I sometimes wonder if he is in charge of drug policy now. People are taking industrial quantities of street Diazepam, cut with God knows what.
The consequence is 2000 deaths, which is really the tip of the iceberg. You have the number of near misses, and hospital admissions to consider,as well.
It has to be time to ensure a safe supply whilst working on the reasons people take drugs.
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17-07-2019 12:27 PM #61
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17-07-2019 12:35 PM #62
Anything that gets rid of the drug taking/dealing bitch that occupies one of the tenement flats in my stair will do me, ****bag! 😠
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Have any of the expers looked if the increase in the price of alcohol in Scotland has had an impact. A bottle of Frosty Jack's is probably now more expensive than a small bag of Heroin.
Saying that I have no idea how much a small bag of Heroin costs so could be nonsense.Last edited by James310; 17-07-2019 at 01:14 PM.
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He used to describe the effect of inflation on a "unit" of cannabis - it didn't have any effect, and it had been the same price for as long as he had used it.
He was a big believer in legalising and taxing the life out of it, the same was as is done with cigarettes and alcohol, where the majority of the price increase is related to an ongoing increase in taxation.
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17-07-2019 02:13 PM #68
I can see the benefits to legalising drugs, tax and less dangerous quality of drugs than there are now. However is there a risk of drugs becoming socially acceptable which in turn leads to more people trying them than if they were still illegal. Like alcohol, I’m sure drugs will affect different people in different ways. Is there a chance we could then see a more noticeable negative impact of drug users in our day to day lives if they were legalised?
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Having safe spaces to go to will keep them out of the public eye making it harder for people to seek out drugs. Keeping members of the public safe and vulnerable drug users safe as well.
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17-07-2019 03:23 PM #72
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There is far too much use of morality in the formation of drug policy.
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Even if it was the case that there was any causation there, I don't think I'd feel comfortable blaming what I believe to be a positive social move to combat the alcohol problem for being the cause of the increase in drug death. That's a bit of a no win situation.
There's been a few comments, earlier in the thread mostly, around where the control lies to tackle the issue. I assume it's a bit of a grey area where some lies in Scotland and some Westminster. Can anyone suggest what it is we could be trying to do which would be achieved if the decision making capabilities were at Holyrood rather than Westminster?
There's a BBC article that wraps up 5 possible solutions quite neatly, I think it follows a lot of the ideas in this thread well:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-48921696
Decriminalisation - I assume this is Westminster
Safe consumption rooms - the article points out that the Scottish government want this but can't implement as it's reserved.
Tackling poverty and homelessness - my understanding would be there are going to be various ways to address this, split between Holyrood and Westminster.
Harm reduction - not sure where it lies
Reduce stigma - surely a local issue, Holyrood or councils.
I'm not sure about decriminalisation, at least not across everything. I don't fully understand the harm reduction one either. The rest seem like good ideas though.
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Harm reduction sits with health boards, ADPs and third sector organisations that do frontline work.There's only one thing better than a Hibs calendar and that's two Hibs calendars
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Once again, a devolved matter is trying to be fixed with a Scottish sticking plaster.Last edited by ronaldo7; 17-07-2019 at 11:20 PM.
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It's shameful that after 10 years in power you still blame Westminster for this, the Scottish Government take no responsibility at all? Seeing you are probably the biggest grievance monkey on here it's not a surprise.
Why are deaths in Scotland so much higher with exactly the same policy then?Last edited by James310; 17-07-2019 at 10:28 PM.
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Your last paragraph is wrong, their were more deaths in England than Scotland last year.
The drugs issue is deep and varied, from poverty and young people not having many life chances. We need a broad suite of powers to deal with the problem. We don't have those. powers.
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Scotland has the highest rate of drug related deaths in Europe, yet you blame Westminster, how very predicable.
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You'll find the figures are correct. Over 3000 drug deaths in England last year.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2018/08/08/drug-misuse-deaths-fall-but-still-remain-too-high/&ved=2ahUKEwjdlc2fjL3jAhUCQEEAHc4SCOsQFjAHegQIBRAB &usg=AOvVaw2IjRzwAU9GHRI1FZKSjsPNLast edited by ronaldo7; 17-07-2019 at 11:23 PM.
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Scotland has the highest rate of drug related deaths in Europe, pro rata,,,, brilliant, like our unhealthy relationship with alcohol it seems we really have to be the best at pressing that self destruct button.Last edited by speedy_gonzales; 18-07-2019 at 01:43 PM.
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Disappointing that when people are dieing that supporters of different political parties choose to argue about whose fault it is
2000 deaths in Scotland is a much higher per capita rate than 3000 in England. It's pettiness like that that causes you to despair.
Our drug problem was not caused by one set of politicians, but all politicians - the whole lot have blood on their hands. It has been the fear of introducing radical change and upsetting core voters that has caused them to persist down the same flawed path for decades.
The war on drugs is nothing more than a war on poor people. It is way of distracting the rest from their plight by focussing on their supposed morality. Much easier to say it's their fault due to their lifestyles than to admit that they are failing due to a failed system.
Time to shift this particular red herring onto the sidelines. The thought that this debate could generate into a party v party pissing contest sickens me to the pit of my stomach.Last edited by Cataplana; 18-07-2019 at 04:55 AM. Reason: Predictive text!
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Well said.
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