Summer 2019 transfer thread

[Nicho87]

Hecky was asked directly would you be looking to bring Dylan back. Or worlds to that effect.

no. Was the answer

i couldn’t help but feel this is a porkie.

[Unseen work]

With Ojo, could the case be that hibs and the agent are denying we are interested to stop S****horpe wanting a fee and then agreeing to release him?


Does anyone have any info regarding this and if we’re still pursing it?

Hopeful thinking I know but would love to see this lad sign. Seems perfect for us, our main player for the position and very highly thought of in England.

[SMAXXA]

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With Ojo, could the case be that hibs and the agent are denying we are interested to stop S****horpe wanting a fee and then agreeing to release him?


Does anyone have any info regarding this and if we’re still pursing it?

Hopeful thinking I know but would love to see this lad sign. Seems perfect for us, our main player for the position and very highly thought of in England.

Think that’s wishful thinking they are other interest he said so that doesn’t fit that theory, why would they release him if he’s contractually their player still? Sounds like his agent made an arse of not instigating the get out clause the way I see it. We will be on other targets now I do believe this is dead fwiw

[J-C]

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With Ojo, could the case be that hibs and the agent are denying we are interested to stop S****horpe wanting a fee and then agreeing to release him?


Does anyone have any info regarding this and if we’re still pursing it?

Hopeful thinking I know but would love to see this lad sign. Seems perfect for us, our main player for the position and very highly thought of in England.

The player and his agent made an arse of things. They had a relegation release clause which they didn't trigger in the allotted time, so he's still under contract and as such we cannot talk to him further.

[Hibee Mac]

What a mess re Ojo. To think he could have been a great player for us but instead his career might take a totally different path not because of something as trivial as this.

He's obviously our first choice and now we've missed out on him due to something completely out of our hands, shame.

[brog]

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I've been very complimentary about our business so far and cant wait for the new season to start and to see our new players in action.

I was critical last summer and was right to be...the window was disorganised and we had a poorly balanced squad as was borne out with our results and performances from Oct to Jan.

Not really sure what your point is other than getting annoyed coz a few people have said Herts have made a few decent signings...u seem to be getting all worked up for no reason.

Nobody is bed wetting or bigging Herts up...calm down

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I agree with much of what you say. I don't think you're bedwetting at all & I agree Halkett & Washington are decent signings. Unfortunately you fall into the Hibs Net trap of distorting statistics to try & prove a point. Why quote Oct to Jan to try & prove our summer transfer window was poor? We were 2nd in the league on 19 October & had just won 6-0. Our decline after that was down to several things, notably the manager imploding & injuries but it's a huge stretch to try to justify your position by blaming it on our summer signings.

[Winston Ingram]

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Can see them moving to three at the back.

100%. Washington is an off the shoulder type who can’t play up top on his own and plays in a 2 which means they’re almost definitely going 3-5-2.

3-5-2 is a rotten formation and should only be used in occasional games. The wheels always fall off it. The only evidence of it ever working over a whole season is Juventus about 4-5 years ago and that only worked so well because of they had no challengers.

[SMAXXA]

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I agree with much of what you say. I don't think you're bedwetting at all & I agree Halkett & Washington are decent signings. Unfortunately you fall into the Hibs Net trap of distorting statistics to try & prove a point. Why quote Oct to Jan to try & prove our summer transfer window was poor? We were 2nd in the league on 19 October & had just won 6-0. Our decline after that was down to several things, notably the manager imploding & injuries but it's a huge stretch to try to justify your position by blaming it on our summer signings.

I agree with this

[JimBHibees]

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They just signed a guy that played 15 times for the team that got promoted out of the English Championship

To suggest that doesn't look like a good signing or to not acknowledge it could be is just folly

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Which player is that?

[Cocaine&Caviar]

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100%. Washington is an off the shoulder type who can’t play up top on his own and plays in a 2 which means they’re almost definitely going 3-5-2.

3-5-2 is a rotten formation and should only be used in occasional games. The wheels always fall off it. The only evidence of it ever working over a whole season is Juventus about 4-5 years ago and that only worked so well because of they had no challengers.

Chelsea under Conte? Albeit a 3-4-3

[Callum_62]

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Which player is that?

Connor Washington

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[Winston Ingram]

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Chelsea under Conte? Albeit a 3-4-3

Too much pressure on the wing backs in a 352. They can’t physically deal with a whole side of the pitch on their own and invariably get caught out when they go forward. On top of that teams that use usually fall of a cliff in Feb/March. I got that from a book called Inverting the Pyramid if yer interested.

England at the last world cup were another superb example. Young and Trippier were absolutely burst in the Semi final

343 is completely different as it has 2 wide players up front as well so it takes a significant amount of the workload off the wing backs.

[JimBHibees]

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Connor Washington

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Ok didn't realise he had been at Sheffield United.

[madhatter]

Is this still a Hibs transfer thread?

[blaikie]

Mark O’Hara being mentioned on Social Media.

Currently at Peterborough and available, still only 23 ...

[James Stephen]

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100%. Washington is an off the shoulder type who can’t play up top on his own and plays in a 2 which means they’re almost definitely going 3-5-2.

3-5-2 is a rotten formation and should only be used in occasional games. The wheels always fall off it. The only evidence of it ever working over a whole season is Juventus about 4-5 years ago and that only worked so well because of they had no challengers.

Hibernian circa 2000 / 2001...?

Although you could say the wheels came off us a wee bit towards the end of that season... might have been more to with Latapy's drinking and us knocking the main stand down too right enough!

[Borderhibbie76]

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I agree with much of what you say. I don't think you're bedwetting at all & I agree Halkett & Washington are decent signings. Unfortunately you fall into the Hibs Net trap of distorting statistics to try & prove a point. Why quote Oct to Jan to try & prove our summer transfer window was poor? We were 2nd in the league on 19 October & had just won 6-0. Our decline after that was down to several things, notably the manager imploding & injuries but it's a huge stretch to try to justify your position by blaming it on our summer signings.

I do think we make some really good signings last summer eventually mate but dont think Lennon had any idea about a shape or formation as he was making the signings.

2 seasons running weve needed emergency surgery to the squad in Jan...I'm confident that's not going to be the case under Hecky this year...he seems very much like he has a clear plan of how he wants us to play and line up.

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[Iain G]

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Hibernian circa 2000 / 2001...?

Although you could say the wheels came off us a wee bit towards the end of that season... might have been more to with Latapy's drinking and us knocking the main stand down too right enough!

A certain 6-2 game perhaps?

[brog]

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Mark O’Hara being mentioned on Social Media.

Currently at Peterborough and available, still only 23 ...

Possibly back in for him if Ojo deal is dead. Problem is he would cost a fee.

[brog]

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I do think we make some really good signings last summer eventually mate but dont think Lennon had any idea about a shape or formation as he was making the signings.

2 seasons running weve needed emergency surgery to the squad in Jan...I'm confident that's not going to be the case under Hecky this year...he seems very much like he has a clear plan of how he wants us to play and line up.

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Can't argue with that.

[BILLYHIBS]

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Ok didn't realise he had been at Sheffield United.

Played 15 scored 0

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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I do think we make some really good signings last summer eventually mate but dont think Lennon had any idea about a shape or formation as he was making the signings.

2 seasons running weve needed emergency surgery to the squad in Jan...I'm confident that's not going to be the case under Hecky this year...he seems very much like he has a clear plan of how he wants us to play and line up.

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Brilliant summary

[jeffers]

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I do think we make some really good signings last summer eventually mate but dont think Lennon had any idea about a shape or formation as he was making the signings.

2 seasons running weve needed emergency surgery to the squad in Jan...I'm confident that's not going to be the case under Hecky this year...he seems very much like he has a clear plan of how he wants us to play and line up.

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Livingston away for me summed it up perfectly. Ended up with Boyle, Horgan and Agyepong all on the field at the end, none of them clear where they were supposed to be playing while the ball was pumped up the field to Hanlon to try and get an equaliser.

[Since452]

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Brilliant summary

Still infuriates me how he managed to turn a squad that knew exactly how and where to play in to one that looked clueless. The more time goes on the more the more i see it

[Callum_62]

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Mark O’Hara being mentioned on Social Media.

Currently at Peterborough and available, still only 23 ...

Thought it was killie in for him?

Doesn't fit with the midfielder Heckinbottom talks about

Still be a reasonable addition to our squad

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[04Sauzee]

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Possibly back in for him if Ojo deal is dead. Problem is he would cost a fee.

I'm not sure that we were ever in for him? Think it may always have been killie

[CraigHibee]

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Possibly back in for him if Ojo deal is dead. Problem is he would cost a fee.

But so would ojo, it would then be a case of which player would be worth the payment

[Blocks Biloxi]

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Too much pressure on the wing backs in a 352. They can’t physically deal with a whole side of the pitch on their own and invariably get caught out when they go forward. On top of that teams that use usually fall of a cliff in Feb/March. I got that from a book called Inverting the Pyramid if yer interested.

England at the last world cup were another superb example. Young and Trippier were absolutely burst in the Semi final

343 is completely different as it has 2 wide players up front as well so it takes a significant amount of the workload off the wing backs.

Quite enjoyed it in the 2016 Scottish Cup Final

[Brightside]

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100%. Washington is an off the shoulder type who can’t play up top on his own and plays in a 2 which means they’re almost definitely going 3-5-2.

3-5-2 is a rotten formation and should only be used in occasional games. The wheels always fall off it. The only evidence of it ever working over a whole season is Juventus about 4-5 years ago and that only worked so well because of they had no challengers.

Argentina played 352 pretty well. You pick the best formation to suit the players you have.

[LeithMike]

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3-5-2 is a rotten formation and should only be used in occasional games. The wheels always fall off it. The only evidence of it ever working over a whole season is Juventus about 4-5 years ago and that only worked so well because of they had no challengers.

Great comment. I'm not a fan of 3-5-2 either but it did work for a while for Hibs 2000-01 (largely down to playing a proper sweeper and a world class one at that in Sauzee and having a tremendous wing back in Laursen). It also gave Latapy a free role which is what he needed.

Also worked reasonably well in the latter half of 2017-18 - again allowing Allan a free role but dont think we had the wing-backs to sustain it.

I think 3-5-2 can work but it needs special players to carry it off. You need the wide centre-halves to be comfortable out wide and be brave and push forward. Hanlon does it brilliantly on the left hand side. I prefer 4-4-2 as I think the most dangerous ball is a cut-back from the goal line and wing backs never get that far up. Give me a winger with an over-lapping full back any day of the week.

The other obvious thing is that the players with the least footballing ability tend to be centre-halves - so why play three????!!

I'm not sure we'd see the best of Scott Allan in a 4-4-2 so suspect we are going to end up with a 4-3-3 with a single striker and I think that is why Doidge has been brought in. Bringing in McNulty will allow us to vary it and it looks like PH wants us to be fairly flexible in how we play which links into his comments about all the different styles in the SPFL.

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