Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

[Smartie]

I liked Leadsom's comments about Indyref2.

Obviously I disagree with her opinion regarding remaining part of the union but it is refreshing that she spoke with respect about Scotland, the wishes of the people and respecting devolution.

Much better than the "get back in your box" tough talk preferred by all the others, talk that just gets your back up and makes your views even more entrenched.

[heretoday]

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Just how depressing do things have to get until enough people in Scotland have had enough?

You never know. It might be OK. I'd give it a while anyway before embarking on another referendum. No sense piling chaos on chaos although Sturgeon is grabbing her opportunity right now.

[RyeSloan]

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I've always found the idea of lower taxes meaning more revenue amusing and Orwellian. Even Professor Laffer himself conceded that his idea related only to the tiny few at the very top of the income scale, not the mass of the population. It was/is a self-serving fantasy, which I'm sure Boris Johnson still believes the majority are stupid enough to accept as verisimilitude.

It’s not really tho. The concept is pretty simple, put a tax too high and people do all they can to avoid it. Put it at a ‘sensible’ level and it’s not worth the effort so it’s paid.

I reckon IHT is a great example where the tax is too high so huge effort goes into avoiding it. Simplify and lower and the tax take would go up.

There is also plenty of examples of flat rate taxes raising more money than complex high tariffs. Georgia for example enacted a huge tax reform in the early 2000’s that removed taxes, lowered others and essentially simplified the whole system...it resulted in a doubling of revenue within 5 years.

BoJo’s proposal is crude and far too simplistic of course but hey what’s new when it comes to that dude...

[Glory Lurker]

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Do people actually get depressed about politics ?

A friend wants to know

Your friend just needs to try to imagine being one of the many losers in the system, as opposed to being in the minority of winners. It'll probably be pretty difficult for him/her to do that, as I'd guess he/she wouldn't know where to start.

[Hibrandenburg]

Boris' candidature speech leaked.

https://youtu.be/xeiGLSy-1zU

[Ozyhibby]

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Who said anything about zero?

Just making the small point that sometimes what you are told by the SNP and what is splashed across the papers is not all it seems. I am sure if I never pointed this out quite a few would have never have known the truth. Happy to help.

It was Robert Peston who broke that story based on figures from another think tank. Guess it’s up to you which one you want to believe.


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[Mibbes Aye]

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I can't see the tories putting Hunt in. He is just such an unpopular character after the "job" he done with the NHS. I don't think he is electable in a GE.

I’m inclined to agree but while I hold Hunt in a healthy disregard I’m conscious that he isn’t unpopular in the safe Tory seats and would probably swing marginals if up against Corbyn.

The Tories like a winner, even if unpalatable. They went a bit haywire after Major and there is no reason they won’t do again but Hunt trumps Corbyn in the marginals, at least in my book. And that was painful to post.

[Lendo]

Esther McVey on LBC claiming that UK foreign aid money was used to build an airport "on one of those continents abroad"

Couldn't name the country

Couldn't name the continent

The runway was built in the the wrong direction, facing into the wind...............

How in the name of **** do these people function? Who is electing these people? How can someone so ****ing stupid be an elected representative of the British public.

The continent abroad she was referring to...? ST HELENA, a British Oversea's territory. (It's not even on a ****ing continent. she couldn't even get the basics correct).

[JeMeSouviens]

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I liked Leadsom's comments about Indyref2.

Obviously I disagree with her opinion regarding remaining part of the union but it is refreshing that she spoke with respect about Scotland, the wishes of the people and respecting devolution.

Much better than the "get back in your box" tough talk preferred by all the others, talk that just gets your back up and makes your views even more entrenched.

That was yesterday. Today's Leadsom comments:

There will be no second referendums on my watch - not on Scottish Independance and not on EU membership. I respect the result of referendums!

[Bristolhibby]

From Andrea Leadsom Twitter (I note she cant spell Independence).

“There will be no second referendums on my watch - not on Scottish Independance and not on EU membership. I respect the result of referendums!”

That’s us told!

J

Edit - just seen the above reply. Seems to be the standard Tory line. Singing to the Shires Choir.

J

[Callum_62]

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Esther McVey on LBC claiming that UK foreign aid money was used to build an airport "on one of those continents abroad"

Couldn't name the country

Couldn't name the continent

The runway was built in the the wrong direction, facing into the wind...............

How in the name of **** do these people function? Who is electing these people? How can someone so ****ing stupid be an elected representative of the British public.

The continent abroad she was referring to...? ST HELENA, a British Oversea's territory. (It's not even on a ****ing continent. she couldn't even get the basics correct).

INTO the wind - Christ sake.

[Sylar]

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Esther McVey on LBC claiming that UK foreign aid money was used to build an airport "on one of those continents abroad"

Couldn't name the country

Couldn't name the continent

The runway was built in the the wrong direction, facing into the wind...............

How in the name of **** do these people function? Who is electing these people? How can someone so ****ing stupid be an elected representative of the British public.

The continent abroad she was referring to...? ST HELENA, a British Oversea's territory. (It's not even on a ****ing continent. she couldn't even get the basics correct).

I watched the video of it - absolutely staggering stuff.

*edit - deleted my parentheses - she didn't say "cross-wind" - she just has a horrific accent that I misheard "cause of the winds" as cross-winds.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Esther McVey on LBC claiming that UK foreign aid money was used to build an airport "on one of those continents abroad"

Couldn't name the country

Couldn't name the continent

The runway was built in the the wrong direction, facing into the wind...............

How in the name of **** do these people function? Who is electing these people? How can someone so ****ing stupid be an elected representative of the British public.

The continent abroad she was referring to...? ST HELENA, a British Oversea's territory. (It's not even on a ****ing continent. she couldn't even get the basics correct).

Sir Alan Duncan MP

Total rubbish. The runway in question is in St Helena. I was the DFID Minister who built it - completed early, under budget, and despite difficult wind conditions it operates well. It fulfils our legal obligations to a UK overseas territory and so is not "foreign aid".

[Smartie]

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That was yesterday. Today's Leadsom comments:

Quite a turnaround.

[makaveli1875]

who cares what Leadsom has to say , Boris is going to win .

Mon the Bojo

[Sylar]

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who cares what Leadsom has to say , Boris is going to win .

Mon the Bojo

Exactly who we need to deal with those pesky picanninies and letterboxes that plague our country.

Mon' the Etonians!

[heretoday]

Johnson has the thing sewn up as far as I can see.

[stokesmessiah]

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Johnson has the thing sewn up as far as I can see.

Looking pretty unstoppable at the moment.

[lapsedhibee]

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Looking pretty unstoppable at the moment.

Not looking good for Bojoke-doubters at the moment. Some time yet for his waffle to be exposed though. If Eddie Mair chairs a live debate and he turns up, perhaps Govey and Stewart could land some blows on him.

[marinello59]

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Not looking good for Bojoke-doubters at the moment. Some time yet for his waffle to be exposed though. If Eddie Mair chairs a live debate and he turns up, perhaps Govey and Stewart could land some blows on him.

If the polls show he will walk the next GE then he is unstoppable. Tory MPs will vote to keep their seats, much like the Republican Party refuse to turn on Trump. This leadership election is nothing to do with the best interests of the UK, it’s what’s best for the Tories.

[lapsedhibee]

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If the polls show he will walk the next GE then he is unstoppable. Tory MPs will vote to keep their seats, much like the Republican Party refuse to turn on Trump. This leadership election is nothing to do with the best interests of the UK, it’s what’s best for the Tories.

That's a fair sized leap from him being the current darling of the Tory Party membership (recently swelled by Brexit Party registered supporters joining it) and the ERG.

[stokesmessiah]

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That's a fair sized leap from him being the current darling of the Tory Party membership (recently swelled by Brexit Party registered supporters joining it) and the ERG.

Not really, there are already polls being published that back this up:

https://news.sky.com/story/johnson-l...ctory-11740185

[Ozyhibby]

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Not really, there are already polls being published that back this up:

https://news.sky.com/story/johnson-l...ctory-11740185

Anyone half popular will beat a Corbyn Labour. Tories are smart enough to dump hopeless leaders where as Labour need them to lose a couple of elections first.


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[stokesmessiah]

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Anyone half popular will beat a Corbyn Labour. Tories are smart enough to dump hopeless leaders where as Labour need them to lose a couple of elections first.


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I get that. The point i was answering though was that the tories will vote in whoever to save themselves. Polls are coming out now saying Boris would win a landslide - it is only going to go one way.

[lapsedhibee]

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Not really, there are already polls being published that back this up:

https://news.sky.com/story/johnson-l...ctory-11740185

Poll conclusions not universally accepted by other experts, but anyway sooner or later someone's going to do another poll including a different hypothetical question: Will you vote Tory with Bojoke as leader if he fails to deliver Brexit by 31 October.

[Pretty Boy]

Johnson v Corbyn in a post Brexit election.

What a time to be alive. Where's Lord Sutch when you need him?

[stokesmessiah]

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Johnson v Corbyn in a post Brexit election.

What a time to be alive. Where's Lord Sutch when you need him?

Christ, It honestly makes you wonder why you get out of bed.

[lapsedhibee]

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10 got enough support to stand:

• Michael Gove
• Matt Hancock
• Mark Harper
• Jeremy Hunt
• Sajid Javid
• Boris Johnson
• Andrea Leadsom
• Esther McVey
• Dominic Raab
• Rory Stewart

First round of MP votes on Thursday.

Stewart now up to second in poll of Tory members' voting intentions. Which is not to say that's how they'll actually vote, as people sometimes lie about how they intend to vote. Bojoke streets ahead though.

[Ozyhibby]

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Stewart now up to second in poll of Tory members' voting intentions. Which is not to say that's how they'll actually vote, as people sometimes lie about how they intend to vote. Bojoke streets ahead though.

Stewart may not make it through the morning. Needs to hope that the silent Tory mp’s are getting behind him.


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[Ozyhibby]

Funny how Ruth Davidson is going Sajid Javid and yet not one of the Scottish Tory mp’s is backing him.


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