The EU Referendum (How did you vote?)

[lapsedhibee]

Noon has passed. Has anything happened, or was the suing nothing more than Jackshunnite frothing?

[Moulin Yarns]

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I have praised the Greens as well as the SNP, but some people are so blind as to not notice.


If you want to start a new thread all about the Greens feel free, you can call it green deal.

Oh yes, and for the record I have also critisised the SNP and Greens, but it's probably been missed.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Noon has passed. Has anything happened, or was the suing nothing more than Jackshunnite frothing?

If anything is happening, they're being very quiet about it. As is our dear James on here.

[The Harp Awakes]

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Maybe Soapy and his star pupil Sturge should be up in court for slander the charge being that telling the Scottish public the unambiguous vote for Scotland to remain within the UK just a few years back would be accepted and binding for a generation or more was an outright porky. The nats are comedy gold.

Not a porky due to the goalposts shifting between 2014 and 2019. Plenty porkies came from the unionists in 2014 though, telling everyone to vote No to keep Scotland in the EU. Now that's comedy gold.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Because the Brexit chairman is based in England. The letter states proceedings will begin at the High Court if he does not apologise.

The firm said that unless Smith "set the record straight" before noon on Thursday, "Mr Tice will have no option but to instruct us to bring High Court proceedings against you.”

That is exactly the same sort of threat you get as registered keeper of a car that has been issued with a private parking ticket, not worth the effort.

[Moulin Yarns]

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What you on about?

Generally if you support a party you might know what their policies are, make the odd comment about how they are doing, especially on a thread about the EU elections. I see none of that.

Do you see lots of people on here full of praise for the Tories? What's so different. I am sure many on here hate the Tories as its the 'wrong' party more than they want independence. You just confirmed my hypocrisy point, critisism for someone who does not like the SNP, but ignore the Tory and Labour haters as they are OK in your book.

hypocrisy.net

Can anyone think of anything the tories can be praised for? No, didn't think so.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Absolute tosh

You are criticising someone for apparently not praising the party he is a member of enough.

That's nothing to do with a specific policy or decision by any party - its just you partaking in tribal poltics

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I would add that I have yet to see anyone praise the Tory party on here, must be a conspiracy.

[Moulin Yarns]

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As long as you are consistent then that's a fair criticism. But funnily enough....

That poster in particular has been warned a number of times about the petty vendetta he has against me. I would happily move on to actual political points but he can't seem to help turning it into personal jibes.

I have no idea who this is aimed at, but to be perfectly clear, I have never been personally warned about any petty vendetta against you or anyone else, unless you want to take me to court with your evidence

[Fife-Hibee]

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I have no idea who this is aimed at, but to be perfectly clear, I have never been personally warned about any petty vendetta against you or anyone else, unless you want to take me to court with your evidence

Ah, come off it mate. We can't hide those secret PMs we've all been sharing with each other regarding our hidden agenda against James and his political affiliations. He was bound to find out about them sooner or later.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Ah, come off it mate. We can't hide those secret PMs we've all been sharing with each other regarding our hidden agenda against James and his political affiliations. He was bound to find out about them sooner or later.

Aye, but can he prove it, or is it up to us to disprove it.

[Tornadoes70]

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Not a porky due to the goalposts shifting between 2014 and 2019. Plenty porkies came from the unionists in 2014 though, telling everyone to vote No to keep Scotland in the EU. Now that's comedy gold.

What was the question again?

iirc - Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?

Zero relating to being in or out of the EU or any other irrelevant matter. Both campaigns would have made many claims and counter claims of equally both truth and nonsense.

But hey once again don't let the truth get in the way of desperate nat fantasy which is indeed pure comedy gold

[G B Young]

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We did nothing with them, because we never had any control over them. Labour made sure of that in the 70s before surrendering their government to Margaret Thatcher who had wars and mass redundancies to fund.

A Thatcher government which was of course ushered into power thanks to the SNP MPs of the time siding with the Tories in a vote of no confidence in the Callaghan government.

[Moulin Yarns]

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A Thatcher government which was of course ushered into power thanks to the SNP MPs of the time siding with the Tories in a vote of no confidence in the Callaghan government.

False news. 11 snp MPs, 15 liberals, 5 Northern Ireland unionists and an independent voted aye, so to suggest it was all the fault of the big bad snp is untrue.

[Fife-Hibee]

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A Thatcher government which was of course ushered into power thanks to the SNP MPs of the time siding with the Tories in a vote of no confidence in the Callaghan government.

I've covered this already and i'm not typing it out all over again. So feel free to look back through the pages.

In short, Labour could have remained in Government but chose not to.

[Tornadoes70]

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A Thatcher government which was of course ushered into power thanks to the SNP MPs of the time siding with the Tories in a vote of no confidence in the Callaghan government.

Correct.

The Tartan Tories - Snp

The savagery that would be let loose upon our public services, NHS, benefits, pensions, housing market etc etc in the event they ever accomplished separatism would be utterly devastating.

The currency alone would be worth next to nothing the moment we isolated ourselves from England, Wales and NI in my opinion.

The vulnerable and poorest would be hardest hit as we'd be fighting to avoid Scotland from going bankrupt likely being unable to pay for the same quality of services and benefits.

We do very well as part of the UK and if isolation occurs then its a whole different ball game so to speak.

In my opinion of course.

[Fife-Hibee]

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The currency alone would be worth next to nothing

Clearly. Because as a country, Scotland harbours zero value. Unlike every other country in the world.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Not a porky due to the goalposts shifting between 2014 and 2019. Plenty porkies came from the unionists in 2014 though, telling everyone to vote No to keep Scotland in the EU. Now that's comedy gold.

It's amazing how many remainers just cast this aside.

[Tornadoes70]

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Clearly. Because as a country, Scotland harbours zero value. Unlike every other country in the world.

A Scottish whatever it was called would of course find its place in world markets but would be worth nothing near the big currencies. Folk abroad would probably laugh when offered the new Scottish whatever its called and it'd worth far less than the UK pound is today.

Probably in the bottom ranks of the currency markets if it came about.

It's called realism. I understand nat fanatics will say anything to justify their stance but I'm certain most folk would agree any new stand alone Scottish currency would be worth considerably less than what the current UK pound is today.

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Clearly. Because as a country, Scotland harbours zero value. Unlike every other country in the world.

If Scotland really was such a drain on England's finances, such a burden, you'd have thought that the Tory Little Englanders would have been happy to see Scotland depart. Or is it perhaps possible that Scotland has something of value that the English Tories don't want to lose?

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A Scottish whatever it was called would of course find its place in world markets but would be worth nothing near the big currencies. Folk abroad would probably laugh when offered the new Scottish whatever its called and it'd worth far less than the UK pound is today.

Probably in the bottom ranks of the currency markets if it came about.

It called realism. I understand nat fanatics will say anything to justify their stance but I'm certain most folk would agree any new stand alone Scottish currency would be worth considerably less than what the current UK pound is today.

You just make stuff up, don't you? Is there any basis, any basis at all for this post?

[Bristolhibby]

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If Scotland really was such a drain on England's finances, such a burden, you'd have thought that the Tory Little Englanders would have been happy to see Scotland depart. Or is it perhaps possible that Scotland has something of value that the English Tories don't want to lose?

This. It’s the clearest evidence that we add to the U.K. pocket book.

If we were a drain all the Westminster parties would have campaigned for Scotland to leave.

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[JeMeSouviens]

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A Scottish whatever it was called certainly find its place in the world markets but would be worth nowhere near the big currencies. Folk abroad would probably laugh when offered the new Scottish whatever its called and worth far less than the UK pound is today on currency exchange markets.

Probably in the bottom ranks of the currency markets if it came about.

It called realism. I understand nat fanatics will say anything to justify their stance but I'm certain most folk would agree any new stand alone Scottish currency would be worth considerably less than what the current UK pound is today.

It's called utter nonsense but can you even begin to give us an explanation as to why you think that?

Is it just a monetary version of the cringe?

[Moulin Yarns]

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A Scottish whatever it was called would of course find its place in world markets but would be worth nothing near the big currencies. Folk abroad would probably laugh when offered the new Scottish whatever its called and it'd worth far less than the UK pound is today.

Probably in the bottom ranks of the currency markets if it came about.

It called realism. I understand nat fanatics will say anything to justify their stance but I'm certain most folk would agree any new stand alone Scottish currency would be worth considerably less than what the current UK pound is today.

I will take issue with the suggestion foreign visitors do not value Scottish currency. I have a small business which often has customers from Europe and USA and they will often ask for Scottish bank notes in preference to bank of England notes.

[Fife-Hibee]

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A Scottish whatever it was called would of course find its place in world markets but would be worth nothing near the big currencies. Folk abroad would probably laugh when offered the new Scottish whatever its called and it'd worth far less than the UK pound is today.

Probably in the bottom ranks of the currency markets if it came about.

It's called realism. I understand nat fanatics will say anything to justify their stance but I'm certain most folk would agree any new stand alone Scottish currency would be worth considerably less than what the current UK pound is today.

Ah I see. So if Scotland left the UK with it's own currency, the UK pound would be worth so much more than it?

Sounds like a great outcome for England. The MPs down there must be desperate to grant us another referendum.

[lapsedhibee]

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If Scotland really was such a drain on England's finances, such a burden, you'd have thought that the Tory Little Englanders would have been happy to see Scotland depart. Or is it perhaps possible that Scotland has something of value that the English Tories don't want to lose?

Think there's a few Brexit Ultras that probably aren't that bothered about the UK. At heart they're English Nationalists.

[Tornadoes70]

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You just make stuff up, don't you? Is there any basis, any basis at all for this post?

Separatism will of course have major downsides. None more so than inventing a new currency that would have to find its level. Factual no?

I'm surmising a newly formed and newly named Scottish currency will be worth considerably less than than that of the current UK pound.

If you want to disagree with me why not come on here counter arguing just why any proposed new Scottish currency would remain at the same levels or even worth more than the current UK pound instead of ranting about posters 'making stuff up' when its their genuine opinion.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Think there's a few Brexit Ultras that probably aren't that bothered about the UK. At heart they're English Nationalists.

Yes, that could be interesting. Apparently the DUP were less than impressed with the steadfastness of their ERG "colleagues":

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-what-next-dup

[Tornadoes70]

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I will take issue with the suggestion foreign visitors do not value Scottish currency. I have a small business which often has customers from Europe and USA and they will often ask for Scottish bank notes in preference to bank of England notes.

Irrelevant as well you know. The UK pound is worth the same whether or not its English or Scottish etc. Any newly formed newly named standalone isolated Scottish currency would be worth considerably less than it is today whatever it was called.

I understand nats will say literally anything but come on its not even remotely credible to state any newly formed newly named isolated Scottish currency would be worth the same or near the current UK pound.

It lacks credibility and appears desperate in my opinion.

[grunt]

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Separatism will of course have major downsides. None more so than inventing a new currency that would have to find its level. Factual no?

I'm surmising a newly formed and newly named Scottish currency will be worth considerably less than than that of the current UK pound.

If you want to disagree with me why not come on here counter arguing just why any proposed new Scottish currency would remain at the same levels or even worth more than the current UK pound instead of ranting about posters 'making stuff up' when its their genuine opinion.

1. Factual? No it's not a factual comment, it's an opinion. And I'm guessing it's an opinion based on no evidence whatsoever.
2. Similarly your view that independence (as I prefer to call it) will have major downsides. Again, this is not a fact but an opinion, and not one I share.
3. "Newly named"? What has the name of the currency, and specifically how new the name is, got to do with its value?
4. "Worth less than the current UK pound". Well I give you some credit for referring to the current value of the pound as a marker. Because if no deal goes ahead the UK pound will tank considerably. So who knows how any Scottish currency may rate against GBP. I expect it's a complicated question. I'm certainly not qualified in macro economics to sufficiently answer it.
5. I really don't think my post qualifies anywhere close to being "ranting". It was more just a comment.
6. FYI here's a definition of the word "fact"; "a thing that is known or proved to be true".

[Moulin Yarns]

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Irrelevant as well you know. The UK pound is worth the same whether or not its English or Scottish etc. Any newly formed newly named standalone isolated Scottish currency would be worth considerably less than it is today whatever it was called.

I understand nats will say literally anything but come on its not even remotely credible to state any newly formed newly named isolated Scottish currency would be worth the same or near the current UK pound.

It lacks credibility and appears desperate in my opinion.

I didn't say anything about the new currency, but right now if given the choice, foreign customers will prefer a Scottish pound to an English one. Go figure.