The EU Referendum (How did you vote?)

[JeMeSouviens]

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What do you mean. She created plenty!

I suppose the silver lining to the Brexit cloud is it's largely stopped the Tories having time to **** anything else up. Even Chris Grayling.

[Hibrandenburg]

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Theresa May resigns as of 7th June

She actually broke down at the end.

How convenient, starts to bubble as the last words of her prepared speech are uttered. Call me a sceptic but it was all staged.

[Pretty Boy]

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I suppose the silver lining to the Brexit cloud is it's largely stopped the Tories having time to **** anything else up. Even Chris Grayling.

If we want to make sure Brexit doesn't happen then Grayling becoming PM is the best thing that could happen. He ****s up literally everything he touches so Article 50 would be revoked within a week whilst he sat trying to remember his own name and wondering what's going on.

[lord bunberry]

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OK il bite. What treatment of scotland do we 'meekly' accept?

We’re constantly told that we’re part of a union of equals, but Scotland isn’t an equal partner, we’re a junior partner. We have to accept whatever England votes for.

[Moulin Yarns]

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How convenient, starts to bubble as the last words of her prepared speech are uttered. Call me a sceptic but it was all staged.

Naw, I think she realised that it was the end of her meal ticket.

Parties will have a better idea of how voting went and it is possible that no tories will be going to Brussels.

Basically she was 2-0 up and she ****ed it up.

[Dalianwanda]

I’ve gone independent for local and green European (West of Ireland)..

[Stonewall]

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How convenient, starts to bubble as the last words of her prepared speech are uttered. Call me a sceptic but it was all staged.

She’s not that good an actress.

[Hibrandenburg]

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She’s not that good an actress.

We also thought she couldn't dance.

[Colr]

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I suppose the silver lining to the Brexit cloud is it's largely stopped the Tories having time to **** anything else up. Even Chris Grayling.

We have invented a new form of democracy. Elective anarchy!!

[Colr]

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We’re constantly told that we’re part of a union of equals, but Scotland isn’t an equal partner, we’re a junior partner. We have to accept whatever England votes for.

Less like that under New Labour but the current lot have blown that up!!

[marinello59]

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Theresa May resigns as of 7th June

She actually broke down at the end.

Breaking down as she croaks about the country she loves yet everything she did was about her party. She will go down in history as one of the most incompetent PM’s ever.

[danhibees1875]

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We’re constantly told that we’re part of a union of equals, but Scotland isn’t an equal partner, we’re a junior partner. We have to accept whatever England votes for.

A proportionally equal partner that is a 10th the size, no?

[Bristolhibby]

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Breaking down as she croaks about the country she loves yet everything she did was about her party. She will go down in history as one of the most incompetent PM’s ever.

Crying for herself. Not a tear for the Grenfell victims, disabled and homeless. Hostile environment to hard working immigrants. Windrush scandal. Bangs on about ending Austerity! Your party used Austerity as a tool to dismantle the welfare state.

Not one tear until she loses her power. Crying out of frustration of her own failed legacy. Crocodile tears.

J

[lord bunberry]

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A proportionally equal partner that is a 10th the size, no?

Proportionally equal isn’t equal. Small nations in the EU are equal no matter what their population is. The frustration that Scotland can decide one thing, but the UK can just ignore it is for most people the reason for supporting independence. We’re not a region of the UK we’re a country, and the empty rhetoric from Westminster about us being equal partners and the vow that was made before the independence referendum about a near federal UK has only gone on to reinforce the view of being ignored.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Proportionally equal isn’t equal. Small nations in the EU are equal no matter what their population is. The frustration that Scotland can decide one thing, but the UK can just ignore it is for most people the reason for supporting independence. We’re not a region of the UK we’re a country, and the empty rhetoric from Westminster about us being equal partners and the vow that was made before the independence referendum about a near federal UK has only gone on to reinforce the view of being ignored.

How many MEPs does Scotland have? 6 population 5 million



How many MEPs does Malta have? 6 population 460,000

An independent Scotland in Europe would have 13 MEPs based on population. Think we are equal in the UK, not in the slightest.

[danhibees1875]

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Proportionally equal isn’t equal. Small nations in the EU are equal no matter what their population is. The frustration that Scotland can decide one thing, but the UK can just ignore it is for most people the reason for supporting independence. We’re not a region of the UK we’re a country, and the empty rhetoric from Westminster about us being equal partners and the vow that was made before the independence referendum about a near federal UK has only gone on to reinforce the view of being ignored.

Proportionally equal is being equal though, that's how things work. Unless you think Scotland should have a proportionally 10x stronger say in things in order to be considered equal. Different countries in the EU get a different number of MEPs

I think "Scots decide one thing and UK just ignore it" isn't necessarily how it works either. It could just as easily work the other way, it's just 10x less likely. It's not an active decision to ignore Scottish votes, there's just not as many of them.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Proportionally equal is being equal though, that's how things work. Unless you think Scotland should have a proportionally 10x stronger say in things in order to be considered equal. Different countries in the EU get a different number of MEPs

I think "Scots decide one thing and UK just ignore it" isn't necessarily how it works either. It could just as easily work the other way, it's just 10x less likely. It's not an active decision to ignore Scottish votes, there's just not as many of them.

So you are happy with Malta having the same number of MEPs as Scotland with a 10th of the population?

[JeMeSouviens]

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Proportionally equal is being equal though, that's how things work. Unless you think Scotland should have a proportionally 10x stronger say in things in order to be considered equal. Different countries in the EU get a different number of MEPs

I think "Scots decide one thing and UK just ignore it" isn't necessarily how it works either. It could just as easily work the other way, it's just 10x less likely. It's not an active decision to ignore Scottish votes, there's just not as many of them.

Yes, but they also get direct representation on the Council which is considerably more powerful. They even get a veto on particularly important things.

The configuration of the UK isn't particularly unfair when you consider what it actually is: a unitary state with a certain amount of asymmetric regional devolution. It's the disingenuous bull**** from Unionism to try and pretend it's something else that really grates.

[lord bunberry]

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Proportionally equal is being equal though, that's how things work. Unless you think Scotland should have a proportionally 10x stronger say in things in order to be considered equal. Different countries in the EU get a different number of MEPs

I think "Scots decide one thing and UK just ignore it" isn't necessarily how it works either. It could just as easily work the other way, it's just 10x less likely. It's not an active decision to ignore Scottish votes, there's just not as many of them.

It’s not me that’s saying Scotland should have 10x as much say as we deserve. We are constantly told by unionist politicians that Scotland is an equal member of the UK. We’re not equal we’re as you say proportionally equal, which is utterly meaningless when important decisions need to be taken. We don’t have a veto on anything and we rarely get the government we vote for.

[lord bunberry]

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How many MEPs does Scotland have? 6 population 5 million



How many MEPs does Malta have? 6 population 460,000

An independent Scotland in Europe would have 13 MEPs based on population. Think we are equal in the UK, not in the slightest.

Yes it’s just another example of how we lose by being part of an unequal union.

[Ozyhibby]

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Yes it’s just another example of how we lose by being part of an unequal union.

The amount of Irish people working in Brussels representing Ireland dwarfs the number of Scots there. Not just the MEP’s but civil servants etc working on committees, lobbying and generally making sure Irish interests are looked after.


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[Bristolhibby]

It’s simple for me. The people who live in Scotland should decide everything for the people of Scotland.

Whether that is deciding to cede some policy to the EU or not. It’s the choice for the people of Scotland to make. No one else.

J

[lord bunberry]

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The amount of Irish people working in Brussels representing Ireland dwarfs the number of Scots there. Not just the MEP’s but civil servants etc working on committees, lobbying and generally making sure Irish interests are looked after.


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Add that to the fact that they have the whole of the EU behind them during the brexit negotiations, while we have a government who would gladly throw us to the wolves if it kept extreme factions in their party quiet.

[Hibbyradge]

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How convenient, starts to bubble as the last words of her prepared speech are uttered. Call me a sceptic but it was all staged.

Why would they stage that?

[Glory Lurker]

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Why would they stage that?

Are you seriously saying robots can cry???

[danhibees1875]

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So you are happy with Malta having the same number of MEPs as Scotland with a 10th of the population?

Yes. There is a minimum representation per country of 6, so they shouldn't have any less. Representation then increases proportionally and the UK gets ~70, Scotland gets it's equal share of that.

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Yes, but they also get direct representation on the Council which is considerably more powerful. They even get a veto on particularly important things.

The configuration of the UK isn't particularly unfair when you consider what it actually is: a unitary state with a certain amount of asymmetric regional devolution. It's the disingenuous bull**** from Unionism to try and pretend it's something else that really grates.

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It’s not me that’s saying Scotland should have 10x as much say as we deserve. We are constantly told by unionist politicians that Scotland is an equal member of the UK. We’re not equal we’re as you say proportionally equal, which is utterly meaningless when important decisions need to be taken. We don’t have a veto on anything and we rarely get the government we vote for.

Okay, so the grievance is with interpretations of the term equal. I don't think any unionists argument of us being in an equal union stretches to "Scotlands" voice being equal to "Englands" but rather that the voice of a Scottish person is equal to the voice of an English person.

[Hibbyradge]

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Are you seriously saying robots can cry???

[James310]

In breaking news Nicola Sturgeon feels the resignation of Theresa May means we need Independence. Who would have thought.

She also managed to demand a General Election, another EU referendum and a further Independence referendum in her short statement today and all of them before 2021.

Just what the country needs.

[stoneyburn hibs]

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In breaking news Nicola Sturgeon feels the resignation of Theresa May means we need Independence. Who would have thought.

She also managed to demand a General Election, another EU referendum and a further Independence referendum in her short statement today and all of them before 2021.

Just what the country needs.

Aye Scotland, wtf do you expect the First Minister of Scotland to say?

[Moulin Yarns]

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In breaking news Nicola Sturgeon feels the resignation of Theresa May means we need Independence. Who would have thought.

She also managed to demand a General Election, another EU referendum and a further Independence referendum in her short statement today and all of them before 2021.

Just what the country needs.

Well, either that or another tory clusterboorach. I know what will be better for Scotland and it has nothing to do with whoever is going to be the next, unelected by the people of the UK, prime minister.


In other news, I see that the poll of Hibees has an 88% remains majority, otherwise known as the will of the people.