The EU Referendum (How did you vote?)

[Hibbyradge]

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I suppose, London has more people and more wealth and creates lots more jobs.

Oh dear.

That statement speaks volumes about you.

[James310]

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Oh dear.

That statement speaks volumes about you.

Is it false? Should London not get a special deal as well as Scotland then. If not, why not?

[Callum_62]

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Is it false? Should London not get a special deal as well as Scotland then. If not, why not?

We (Scotland) are in a family of equal nations according to the Conservative party.

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[James310]

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We (Scotland) are in a family of equal nations according to the Conservative party.

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And we all had an equal vote in a UK wide referendum.

[wpj]

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The polling station at Gylemuir Primary was like a morgue when I went at 9pm.
Had a chuckle when I noticed that some cad had carefully folded down all the a-boards with the exception of the SNP's,,,, childish stuff but made me wonder if any voters rock up with no clue who they're voting for and end up going with the poster that catches their eye?

I honestly didn't know who I was going to vote but knew who I wouldnt vote for. Made my decision in the booth.

[HappyAsHellas]

When my sister was living and working on a Greek island she was given ballot papers for local council elections and it's actually staggering to think that a small island can organise people who are foreign resident and we can't. Greece is famous for being somewhat haphazard in it's governmental departments to say the least. When we can point at them and say "that's how it's done", then something is seriously amiss.

[Callum_62]

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And we all had an equal vote in a UK wide referendum.

So now we are just ignored going forward

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[Hibbyradge]

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I disagree we voted to leave, as said before it was debated to death prior to the referendum and during the general election. We were told all the horror stories before the vote and leave still won.

It's a mess I believe the EU offered us a Canada+ type deal that would have satisfied the Tory party but May refused as she wanted even closer ties to Europe. Hopefully we can get back to being offered that deal instead of no deal.

Do you think that all those millions of people who bought PPI should not have been given their money back? They made their choice do they should respect the outcome whether they were lied to or not.

The 2016 referendum was even more misleading than the most ruthless PPI peddler.

If people so protective of our "democracy" why aren't you screaming from the rooftops about the lies and the breaking of rules?

Because, frankky, they're not. The only democracy they care about is the one where they win.

[Slavers]

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Do you think that all those millions of people who bought PPI should not have been given their money back? They made their choice do they should respect the outcome whether they were lied to or not.

The 2016 referendum was even more misleading than the most ruthless PPI peddler.

If people so protective of our "democracy" why aren't you screaming from the rooftops about the lies and the breaking of rules?

Because, frankky, they're not. The only democracy they care about is the one where they win.

I don't think your at the wind up but it's clear to see that the only people saying that the voters were mislead are those that voted remain.

Do you not think the very people you believe to have been mislead (the people who voted to leave), do you not think if they had been mislead or if they only based their vote about what was on the side of a bus, then right now they would be up in arms saying hold on a minute we've been lied too?

They the people who voted leave are not, they are not crying foul play, it's only remainers like you who are and are trying to play this card in a desperate attempt to get your own way and to ignore and reverse the result of the referendum.

If anything the desire for getting Brexit is getting stronger not weaker and all the mind control tactics from the media and their corrupt politicians still cannot change the peoples minds!

[Smartie]

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I don't think your at the wind up but it's clear to see that the only people saying that the voters were mislead are those that voted remain.

Do you not think the very people you believe to have been mislead (the people who voted to leave), do you not think if they had been mislead or if they only based their vote about what was on the side of a bus, then right now they would be up in arms saying hold on a minute we've been lied too?

They the people who voted leave are not, they are not crying foul play, it's only remainers like you who are and are trying to play this card in a desperate attempt to get your own way and to ignore and reverse the result of the referendum.

If anything the desire for getting Brexit is getting stronger not weaker and all the mind control tactics from the media and their corrupt politicians still cannot change the peoples minds!

Much as I want to disagree with you, this post contains a number of very uncomfortable truths that are very hard to argue with.

[Hibbyradge]

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I don't think your at the wind up but it's clear to see that the only people saying that the voters were mislead are those that voted remain.

Do you not think the very people you believe to have been mislead (the people who voted to leave), do you not think if they had been mislead or if they only based their vote about what was on the side of a bus, then right now they would be up in arms saying hold on a minute we've been lied too?

They the people who voted leave are not, they are not crying foul play, it's only remainers like you who are and are trying to play this card in a desperate attempt to get your own way and to ignore and reverse the result of the referendum.

If anything the desire for getting Brexit is getting stronger not weaker and all the mind control tactics from the media and their corrupt politicians still cannot change the peoples minds!

Regardless of the lies on the bus, no-one was told the truth about the immediate damaging consequences of a no deal.

The leave campaigns just said that they'd had enough of"so called experts" and that they should be ignored.

You don't care about democracy. You care about the result.

At least admit it.

And if 30% if the nobbled electorate is "the will of the people", then democracy isn't what I thought it was.

PS. The people will be up in arms screaming that they'd been lied to when the economy comes crashing in, jobs go through the floor along with the pound, immigration stays at the same level and the wealthy in this country, like Farage, get even wealthier.

[GlesgaeHibby]

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I don't think your at the wind up but it's clear to see that the only people saying that the voters were mislead are those that voted remain.

Do you not think the very people you believe to have been mislead (the people who voted to leave), do you not think if they had been mislead or if they only based their vote about what was on the side of a bus, then right now they would be up in arms saying hold on a minute we've been lied too?

They the people who voted leave are not, they are not crying foul play, it's only remainers like you who are and are trying to play this card in a desperate attempt to get your own way and to ignore and reverse the result of the referendum.

If anything the desire for getting Brexit is getting stronger not weaker and all the mind control tactics from the media and their corrupt politicians still cannot change the peoples minds!

What benefits will leaving the EU bring? 3 years since the referendum and I'm still waiting to hear what the upside to the UK will be.

[Ozyhibby]

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I suppose, London has more people and more wealth and creates lots more jobs.

We should all doff our caps to our masters in London.
That statement sums you up. It’s all about our London rulers.


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[McSwanky]

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I don't think your at the wind up but it's clear to see that the only people saying that the voters were mislead are those that voted remain.

That's not entirely true though, is it?

I listen to Radio 5 Live most mornings on my commute, and they have regular phone-ins about Brexit. They often seem to manage to dig up someone who voted leave and has now changed their mind as they feel they were indeed misled.

So are these people frauds? Liars? Or are Radio 5 deliberately seeking out callers from this seemingly non-existent demographic to further their biased agenda?

To suggest that this group of people don't exist is disingenuous, and laced with more than a little Farage-like rhetoric IMO.

[James310]

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We should all doff our caps to our masters in London.
That statement sums you up. It’s all about our London rulers.


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I never said that, I asked if London should get a special deal as they also voted Remain and having more people and creating more wealth and jobs than Scotland then is the case for that not compelling? Feel free to answer.

I think it says more about the chip on your shoulder attitude to be honest though, fits in with your big bad England and Westminster narrative.

[Ozyhibby]

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That's not entirely true though, is it?

I listen to Radio 5 Live most mornings on my commute, and they have regular phone-ins about Brexit. They often seem to manage to dig up someone who voted leave and has now changed their mind as they feel they were indeed misled.

So are these people frauds? Liars? Or are Radio 5 deliberately seeking out callers from this seemingly non-existent demographic to further their biased agenda?

To suggest that this group of people don't exist is disingenuous, and laced with more than a little Farage-like rhetoric IMO.

I’m a leave voter who would now vote remain. The reason I voted to leave was because we are disconnected from the EU in a democratic sense in that our media does not cover What is happening in Brussels every day, most of our mep’s were unknown to the population and we barely took part in EU elections at all (funnily enough that has changed somewhat these days). I wasn’t really against the EU project as such, just that we weren’t really taking part anyway so what was the point. When I’m in Ireland they are much more engaged in the whole thing. I’m comfortable with my vote and I knew why I was voting. Where I was mislead though was on the fact that we would have a very easily negotiated free trade deal by the time we left and that we would have other free trade deals all lined up for exit day. That has not happened and therefore I feel totally entitled to want another vote.


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[JeMeSouviens]

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Scotland and London are not like comparing England and Scotland.

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They are to the type of Unionist who only thinks in terms of Britain as their country, Scotland a region within it. They might have a certain amount of regional pride attached to Scotland but there's no way they would regard it as an entity suitable (or in a lot of cases, capabale) of being an independent state. That covers pretty much all Tories and some Libs and Labs. Of course, as Mibbes Aye, is fond of reminding us, what is a nation if not an artificial construct? So choosing between Scotland or Britain is essentially an arbitrary thing.

The "family of nations" bull**** is just that, bull****. UK Tory and Labour politicians only use that kind of rhetoric if speaking to an exclusively Scottish audience. If they are not being forced to think hard about it then the words "country", "nation", "national" all apply exclusively to Britain/the UK.

[Hibbyradge]

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I never said that, I asked if London should get a special deal as they also voted Remain and having more people and creating more wealth and jobs than Scotland then is the case for that not compelling? Feel free to answer.

I think it says more about the chip on your shoulder attitude to be honest though, fits in with your big bad England and Westminster narrative.

London is the capital of England. England voted to leave.

Scotland has its own capital and its own government. It voted to remain.

You're comparing apples and friggin wheel bearings!

[James310]

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London is the capital of England. England voted to leave.

Scotland has its own capital and its own government. It voted to remain.

You're comparing apples and friggin wheel bearings!

Was it a UK wide referendum where the total votes of the Leave and Remain votes were added together across the UK? We both know the answer.

[Callum_62]

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Yes council errors, but the blame was very much being placed elsewhere because it made another good grievance story, despite it being fake news.

Hmmm.



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[Moulin Yarns]

Theresa May resigns as of 7th June

She actually broke down at the end.

[lapsedhibee]

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If the Daily Mail’s poll is correct it reflects a disappointing result.

A lot of hope for me in the Daily Mail's polling.

Firstly, for voting in the Euro elections, 'only' 31% admitting to going for Nige. That's way, way less than the 50% or so who want Brexit, so that means 20% or so are not convinced by his 'message'.

Secondly, for voting intention in a General Election, Tories and Labour - the old politics - get 61% between them and Brexit Party - the new politics - gets 12%. Nige is not getting through to as many people as all that. Like in 2014, a huge surge in a protest vote for his then vehicle may not transform into any sort of lasting change in British politics.

[Fife-Hibee]

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Hmmm.



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So all can read.

[Fife-Hibee]

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A lot of hope for me in the Daily Mail's polling.

Firstly, for voting in the Euro elections, 'only' 31% admitting to going for Nige. That's way, way less than the 50% or so who want Brexit, so that means 20% or so are not convinced by his 'message'.

Secondly, for voting intention in a General Election, Tories and Labour - the old politics - get 61% between them and Brexit Party - the new politics - gets 12%. Nige is not getting through to as many people as all that. Like in 2014, a huge surge in a protest vote for his then vehicle may not transform into any sort of lasting change in British politics.

It really comes down to who the tories team up with. Can't see them warming to Labour tbh.

[ronaldo7]

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Theresa May resigns as of 7th June

Good.

She's been a total waste of space. Inflexible and downright stubborn.

Typical tory, really.

[JeMeSouviens]

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Good.

She's been a total waste of space. Inflexible and downright stubborn.

Typical tory, really.

How's sorting those "burning injustices" coming along?

[lapsedhibee]

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Good.

She's been a total waste of space. Inflexible and downright stubborn.

Typical tory, really.

Are you looking forward to BoJo's (presumably brief) reign then?

[Dalianwanda]

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How's sorting those "burning injustices" coming along?

Her words on grenfell were sickening...Good riddance but a good chance of worse to come.

[ronaldo7]

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Are you looking forward to BoJo's (presumably brief) reign then?

They've not got anyone within the first twenty candidates that I'd touch with a barge pole.

There is another way. 😂

[Colr]

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How's sorting those "burning injustices" coming along?

What do you mean. She created plenty!