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    And any Trump employee is going to out him as a exist or misogynist. He's been proven to be a racist sexist twAt by his own words and actions.
    You make a good point in regards current employees thoughb alot of former employees agree also.

    And I feel things are often protrayed a certain way also mostly by the media IMO of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lapsedhibee View Post
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    You think Obama was a prime reason for half the country to vote Leave?
    No it’s because they were racist idiots who believed a number of the side of a bus was it not?

    As for Trump...well he’s hardly my cup of tea to say the least but as PB said I ain’t gonna waste any time joining in some ill defined ‘protest’ against a US President having the temerity to visit the UK

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    I saw a few protesters getting dropped off in their luxury cars by their Mum and Dad's earlier. Probably the same people who protest against capitalism on their gap year before Oxbridge and joining a hedge fund.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    I saw a few protesters getting dropped off in their luxury cars by their Mum and Dad's earlier. Probably the same people who protest against capitalism on their gap year before Oxbridge and joining a hedge fund.
    I remember thinking much the same during the "Make Poverty History" march that happened the same time the G8 was held at Gleneagles. Whilst we shouldn't judge someone's political standings on appearances of wealth, it did stick in my craw that there I was, dressed in white playing a VERY small part in trying to raise awareness to the global inequalities many people face and there was a few groups of what appeared to be well to do/middle classes quaffing prosecco in the middle of the heaving Meadows as if it was the Henley Regatta or some other such gathering commonly perceived as being for our society's elite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    I saw a few protesters getting dropped off in their luxury cars by their Mum and Dad's earlier. Probably the same people who protest against capitalism on their gap year before Oxbridge and joining a hedge fund.
    Class and privilege aren't the issue people are protesting here...it is about hate, fear, and division ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    I saw a few protesters getting dropped off in their luxury cars by their Mum and Dad's earlier. Probably the same people who protest against capitalism on their gap year before Oxbridge and joining a hedge fund.
    What a ludicrous post. It's this type of attitude that perfectly sums up what Trump's regime is normalising. Lazy generalisations, insecurity, inverted snobbery and intolerance.

    I'd back anyone to protest against him. It seems healthier to actively have a stance against an appalling creature like Trump that sit and sneer at those who do.

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    What a ludicrous post. It's this type of attitude that perfectly sums up what Trump's regime is normalising. Lazy generalisations, insecurity, inverted snobbery and intolerance.

    I'd back anyone to protest against him. It seems healthier to actively have a stance against an appalling creature like Trump that sit and sneer at those who do.
    Did you see the clip posted from Sky news, the guy never had a clue what he was protesting against. He was there as he and many others think its the trendy thing to do. Appreciate not all are like that and maybe some people have some genuine reason to protest against him, but as I said earlier can you explain why there was not similar protests when the Saudi leader had a state visit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    Did you see the clip posted from Sky news, the guy never had a clue what he was protesting against. He was there as he and many others think its the trendy thing to do. Appreciate not all are like that and maybe some people have some genuine reason to protest against him, but as I said earlier can you explain why there was not similar protests when the Saudi leader had a state visit?
    I did listen to what he said. Not up there with the most articulate, but what actually he said was in essence "that he didn't think the world should be led by a bully who uses negative methods to put people down". Not an issue with that. The danger with voxpop taken in isolation is that you can pick it to choose whatever you want to portray. One lad with a dubious taste in neck wear and a preponderance for interspersing "like" too much in sentences doesn't make the protest invalid. There'll be a mix of reasons for attending sure, but there's a reason why someone like Trump drives people onto the streets here and in the USA. He is an atrocious human being.

    You other point is mostly whitabootery. Trump is arguably the most powerful man in the planet. I follow US politics daily - what he and his administration are doing is dangerous on a global level as well as a US one. He panders to his fundamental religious base. He actively appoints climate change deniers to positions on the EPA. His new secretary of state has appalling positions on human rights. He demonstrably and repeatedly lies publicly. He threatens the the concept of free speech enshrined in the first amendment. His SCOTUS appointments will threaten womens rights for decades to come. His global trade war will impact everyone as it bites. His ties with Russia look to be shown to be impeachable. His frequent outbursts against women, people with disabilities, minorities, the press, the democrats all show the man as a blustering narcissist. And that's off the top off my head.
    Trump has a disproportionately massive potential to harm the UK and the world. That is why he draws protest more than any number of appalling regimes and conflicts around the planet.

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    The trump protests are mostly made up of middle class virtue signalling, communists and trans activists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    The trump protests are mostly made up of middle class virtue signalling, communists and trans activists.
    What's your evidence for that?

    Did you have them all fill in a questionnaire?

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    I did listen to what he said. Not up there with the most articulate, but what actually he said was in essence "that he didn't think the world should be led by a bully who uses negative methods to put people down". Not an issue with that. The danger with voxpop taken in isolation is that you can pick it to choose whatever you want to portray. One lad with a dubious taste in neck wear and a preponderance for interspersing "like" too much in sentences doesn't make the protest invalid. There'll be a mix of reasons for attending sure, but there's a reason why someone like Trump drives people onto the streets here and in the USA. He is an atrocious human being.

    You other point is mostly whitabootery. Trump is arguably the most powerful man in the planet. I follow US politics daily - what he and his administration are doing is dangerous on a global level as well as a US one. He panders to his fundamental religious base. He actively appoints climate change deniers to positions on the EPA. His new secretary of state has appalling positions on human rights. He demonstrably and repeatedly lies publicly. He threatens the the concept of free speech enshrined in the first amendment. His SCOTUS appointments will threaten womens rights for decades to come. His global trade war will impact everyone as it bites. His ties with Russia look to be shown to be impeachable. His frequent outbursts against women, people with disabilities, minorities, the press, the democrats all show the man as a blustering narcissist. And that's off the top off my head.
    Trump has a disproportionately massive potential to harm the UK and the world. That is why he draws protest more than any number of appalling regimes and conflicts around the planet.
    At the end of the day it matters not what we think but what the people of America think, that's why I don't get why people seem to pick just on Trump and not other leaders of much worse nations. At the recent Commonwealth summit there was 37 leaders of nations where homosexuality is still illegal, anyone protest at that?

    If he is doing a bad job he will get voted out. His approval ratings are not great, but neither are they terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    What's your evidence for that?

    Did you have them all fill in a questionnaire?

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    No I have watched videos of the protests and the people who attend. Mostly as I have described them. If they think the speak for the majority of people they are well wide of the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    At the end of the day it matters not what we think but what the people of America think, that's why I don't get why people seem to pick just on Trump and not other leaders of much worse nations. At the recent Commonwealth summit there was 37 leaders of nations where homosexuality is still illegal, anyone protest at that?

    If he is doing a bad job he will get voted out. His approval ratings are not great, but neither are they terrible.
    Because, as has been said before, the actions of his country have a greater and deeper effect on a larger number of people than do those of anyone else.

    When America sneezes, the world catches a cold. When Trump sneezes, the world reaches for the penicillin.

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    No I have watched videos of the protests and the people who attend. Mostly as I have described them. If they think the speak for the majority of people they are well wide of the mark.
    How can you tell the motives, backgrounds and opinions of every single person who was there by watching videos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    How can you tell the motives, backgrounds and opinions of every single person who was there by watching videos?
    By the signs they hold, by their chants and mantras and who they represent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    By the signs they hold, by their chants and mantras and who they represent.
    What's tonight's lottery numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnbc70 View Post
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    At the end of the day it matters not what we think but what the people of America think, that's why I don't get why people seem to pick just on Trump and not other leaders of much worse nations. At the recent Commonwealth summit there was 37 leaders of nations where homosexuality is still illegal, anyone protest at that?

    If he is doing a bad job he will get voted out. His approval ratings are not great, but neither are they terrible.
    Read my answer to you - he's protested against because he has the opportunity to wreak global damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    What's tonight's lottery numbers?

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    You tell me for a change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    You tell me for a change?
    I don't have the mind-reading skills that you seem to have

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    The trump protests are mostly made up of middle class virtue signalling, communists and trans activists.
    Wow.
    I have to assume you're trolling for a reaction as that is up there with the weirdest posts I've seen if it is reflective of your genuine opinion. Genuinely disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    I don't have the mind-reading skills that you seem to have

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    Did you not read my reply. I didn't have to read their minds. They held signs and chanted slogans and many in trans costumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    Did you not read my reply. I didn't have to read their minds. They held signs and chanted slogans and many in trans costumes.
    Every single person at the demo was videoed, yeah?



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    Just want to say to the snowflakes, that was pitiful compared to the miners strike and Paris 68.

    Of course the didn't have as good snack stalls, so well done on that count.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod View Post
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    Every single person at the demo was videoed, yeah?



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    I did not say every single protestor did I? I said most of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    I did not say every single protestor did I? I said most of them.


    But to know that most of them were... etc etc etc... you'd need to have seen videos of all of them, no? 🤣

    While we're at it, what's your issue with trans activists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chic Murray View Post
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    Just want to say to the snowflakes, that was pitiful compared to the miners strike and Paris 68.

    Of course the didn't have as good snack stalls, so well done on that count.
    Snowflakes. The new "go to" response for people without arguments

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeTeam View Post
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    No I have watched videos of the protests and the people who attend. Mostly as I have described them. If they think the speak for the majority of people they are well wide of the mark.
    Well your narrow view of the world doesn't speak for me....anyone who stands up and protests against ignorance, bigotry, racism, sexism and division is good enough for me regardless of their background...


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    Did you not read my reply. I didn't have to read their minds. They held signs and chanted slogans and many in trans costumes.
    What's a trans costume?

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    As others have said, Trump might be a bellend but the fact he was playing golf on the west coast of Scotland at a course he owns didn't inspire me to take to the streets of Edinburgh to 'protest'. For most who choose to spend their Saturday afternoon that way I say fair enough, but it's the politicians who home in on these events in an attempt to boost their credibility who stick in the craw. I see Richard Leonard and Tommy Sheppard coming out with quotes about how this shows that 'Scotland stands shoulder to shoulder against Trump'. Given that the police estimate of the crowd today was a mere 9,000 (there were considerably more at Easter Road in midweek) such statements are patently nonsense.

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    But to know that most of them were... etc etc etc... you'd need to have seen videos of all of them, no? ��

    While we're at it, what's your issue with trans activists?

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    I don't see the trans movement as being deserving of the amount of attention it receives for the media or virtue signalling politicians.

    Here is the video i watched.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfkzsgZQWQ
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