Ive been quietly admiring your defence of trump on this (indont agree genrally, but i do agree people are getting tonwrapped up in the sideshow with him at times, plus in just find him a very uninteresting guy), but seriously, wtf is a luciferian plot?This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I presume you dont lirerally mean insoired by the devil, but given a couple of the posts here lately about 9/11 conspiracies and jewish elite conspiracies, i just want to make sure!
Genuine question... given almost of all the republican elite were against him, who do you think 'chose' him, obama, bush etc?
Edit - posted the above without reading the rest of the posts! The jewish elite and 9/11 inside job chat is starting to look a lot more credible all of a sudden...
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19-01-2018 09:02 AM #721
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19-01-2018 09:45 AM #723
Damn that pesky Satan and his tardiness
PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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19-01-2018 10:07 AM #724This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
David Icke folk know what's going on.
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We all know about the devil and idle hands...
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19-01-2018 11:29 AM #727This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuotePM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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19-01-2018 11:35 AM #728
I don't think the inaugural fake news awards this week have been covered yet. Bizarre but not surprising.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...awards-winners#PERSEVERED
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19-01-2018 12:02 PM #729This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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He's been elected unfortunately and the most effective threat to his Presidency is himself in Government. This is a clear case of 'give him enough rope'.
We live in a time of extremes and until people feel there's a viable alternative in the US centre ground his circus act will keep working if people have to choose between him and the previous consensus. Every fresh Trump outrage - and the response - reinforces that choice.
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19-01-2018 01:55 PM #733This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The 'liberals' however you define them, really aren't part of the story at all.
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19-01-2018 05:16 PM #734This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I do not mean the Republican establishment - that's a separate, though related, story.
I'm talking about voters, or at least those US citizens who bother to vote. Trump goes over the heads of the US political establishment with what we regard as his craziness and delivers a 'pick me or the armageddon of the other guys' message to a divided audience and he's becoming adept at co-opting the centrists (the US centre anyway) to lean towards him rather than the post-Hillary Liberals.And every time they over react to his setups on any given Liberal touchstone issue he just watches more of the centre soften to him. So Trump gets the Republican establishment - for now - by placing them in front of the the big public stupid craziness and forces them to pick a side. I think the social media and other madness is a lot more carefully nuanced than it at first appears.
The Liberals are absolutely part of the story. They're the very centre of it. He needs them as his straw men and women to point at and say 'them or me' and they are not being very clever about trying to deny him those opportunities. In fact I think they are in denial about him altogether and seem to be hoping or believing that he will somehow naturally self destruct because they believe him to be so far beyond the political pale. Except he isn't. He's there, elected, in office and not going away any time soon. The only things that may save them from a Trump second term are; impeachment (unlikely), governmental incompetence (quite possible) or ill health. The Democrats and the broader Liberal Left are - just like here - stuck beneath a political glass ceiling that their current message and leadership cannot break through.
Anyway, I'm waiting for the rest of the Luciferian prophecies...
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19-01-2018 06:55 PM #735This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I cant see 'nuance' in Trump at all, you're wrong there. His schtick is politically expedient, and is all about securing his core vote, but its not nuanced, anything but. It fluctuates wildly and his policies fluctuate based on his mood from one moment to the next. Predicting upcoming elections is rank stupidity, im not getting involved in that game, but I'm not as confident as you seem to be that he's well positioned for a second term. Far too early to say.
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666 Fifth Avenue is home to Lucent Technologies (Lucent meaning 'They Shine' also a play on Lucifer the light bearer). Lucent Technologies specialize in RFID, NFC Chip technology.
Fair enough nothing too sinister going on there it may seem but then i see this homage to 666 croping up in various technology companies and beyond.
The google logo is another representation of 666 and the CERN logo is another. Coca Cola, Disney are others that all pay homage to this 666. They are loads more but google, coca cola and Disney being the obviously corrupt ones that spring to mind.
Ultimately long story cut short its all about controlling and taking away peoples personal freedoms (maybe population in time). Cash being a freedom soon to be taken away it seems with introduction of a cashless society. Im sure it will go far beyond just a cashless society with AI and robot technology.
They reason i slate the far left as they are all about limiting freedom of expression, freedom of thinking and they champion communism - which has so far been the most murderous ideology known so this suits the evil agenda. Let the far left idiots shut down a section freedom, then they will use other methods like the EU. They EU will champion a cashless society and could push for Micro chipping people in order to keep the schengen zone ideal alive.
I think just sneakily bit by bit eroding personal freedoms.
I think the agenda has multiple options available to them Trump was an option, Hillary was an option but ultimately its all leading down the same path.
I cant explain it all, i dont know it all, i don't think they are all in it together as such most are just fighting for their share of what's on offer but there is an agenda at play and no matter who it is they all pay homage to this 666 or all seeing eye or whatever other symbols they love.
I haven't mentioned 9/11 yet but that plays a part also.
Then there is the predictive programming movies predicting 9/11 before it happened, how can that be explained.
How do you explain David Rockerfella who help fund the build of the twin towers sitting in front of the twin tower building site getting his picture taken on the cover of news week and his watch states 9/11?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?safe...033vceNPfRbiM:
Sounds too crazy to be believed i know but that''s just what i observe.Last edited by Slavers; 19-01-2018 at 09:37 PM.
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19-01-2018 09:27 PM #738This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They need to oppose and expose him without amplifying him - allowing themselves to be played into their own stereotypes just lets him off the hook. The starting point would be credible political leadership, which they don't currently have. So without a messenger their message - if they have a coherent one - has little chance of being heard. Instead default representative 'liberal' voices or organisations line themselves up with a stock 'Trump bad' response - eg Hollywood voices and elected politicos regarded as being part of the establishment problem just don't cut it. In fact I think they make it easier for Trump to portray himself as the outsider trying to drain the swamp. An utterly laughable proposition but he's getting away with it so far.
I've never stopped seeing liberalism as a good thing. However the smelly protestors imagery is exactly what the right work so hard to foster because it so effectively helps to de-legitimise the credibility of prospective liberal opposition in the eyes of Trump's core vote, mainstream Republican voters and the centre ground.
Of course he's being expedient, but that is not the same as being stupid. He may be malign, narcissistic, dangerous and capricious but none of that means he doesn't know how to communicate in shoring up his position. I think his policies and his public messaging are two almost entirely separate (often even conflicting) things. Take the wall as an example. It was perhaps the most front and center thing in his campaign. Let's see how long we have to wait before any meaningful part of it is really constructed let alone the whole thing. I think the left is in danger of badly wrong footing itself if it continues to believe that his absurdity is visible to everyone else. It isn't and that's mainly because we are living through a post-factual political age in which what matters isn't what is objectively true, so much as what people want reality to be in spite of any evidence to the contrary. He's not President despite being a preposterous figure with only a marginal attachment to the truth, he's President precisely because of being like that.
Predicting future elections may be rank stupidity but unless political progressives start to work out why they lost over there and here last time round they won't even have a starting point for working out how to get to winning in both countries next time round. May and Trump are two of the most low grade leaders their respective countries have ever had and yet they defeated their opponents despite their own personal deficiencies being on full gory display. That is the most damning indictment of their opponents and their opponents' political offer that I can think of.
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19-01-2018 09:30 PM #739This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What the actual fak?
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While i actually do agree with some of your observations about personal freedom, it seems to me that you have put a lot of disparate (and very debateable) points that are loosely related st best, and then created a vast framework in which to wrap them all - i dont think its a particuarly compelling argument, snd i really dont see where the devil comes into it?
If there was some satanic elite, why would they risk the success of their conspiracy on some in joke to make sure they had 666 in their addresses / logos as much as possible?
I think some of your points about trump / clinton being from the same small elite aren't a million miles away, but im not sure What that tells us, apart from that they both habe their base in the same city amd you habe to be very well connected to and filthy rich to run for president.
I agree about the communist/socialist ideology being a murderous one in the past, amd i agree it dehumanaises people, but again im not sure what that has to do with anything else?
And again, if someone was 'in' on a conspiracy on the scale ofn9/11, why would they display the number on theor watch during an international photo shoot? Surely they would want to keep it secret?
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20-01-2018 07:57 AM #746This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
what obvious corruption is there in google, Coca Cola and Disney?
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You are David Icke and I claim my golden ticket to Trumpa Lumpa land
FYI The twin towers of the World Trade Centre only began construction in August 1968 so the Rockefeller theory is totally wrongLast edited by Moulin Yarns; 20-01-2018 at 08:54 AM. Reason: WTC 1968
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20-01-2018 09:06 AM #750
Let me see.
The EU, Mickey Mouse and the ghost of Stalin are coming to take away our freedom with chip and pin machines.
I’m not entirely convinced mate.
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