Fan Rep Interview - Rangers Statement & Loyalty Points

[Ozyhibby]

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Of course it effected our budget

We would have spent rocking on £20m

Of the top of my head £10m came from player sales, £4m still to pay, some of it was forgiven by the bank.
The actual wage budget was always 5th highest yet we rarely were. Maybe if we hadn’t built it then our wage bill could have climbed to 4th highest some years but the evidence shows we would have not spent it well anyway so building was the best thing we could have done with the money while Petrie was there. For that we should be grateful to him.


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[oneone73]

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Of the top of my head £10m came from player sales, £4m still to pay, some of it was forgiven by the bank.
The actual wage budget was always 5th highest yet we rarely were. Maybe if we hadn’t built it then our wage bill could have climbed to 4th highest some years but the evidence shows we would have not spent it well anyway so building was the best thing we could have done with the money while Petrie was there. For that we should be grateful to him.


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Big wedge from the car park sale, too.

[BSEJVT]

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Of the top of my head £10m came from player sales, £4m still to pay, some of it was forgiven by the bank.
The actual wage budget was always 5th highest yet we rarely were. Maybe if we hadn’t built it then our wage bill could have climbed to 4th highest some years but the evidence shows we would have not spent it well anyway so building was the best thing we could have done with the money while Petrie was there. For that we should be grateful to him.


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That mistakes were made there is no doubt.

I would say those mistakes involved recruiting the wrong managers who needed replaced far earlier than they should have.

Those managers were to various extents given their head in signing players that their successors then moved on at huge cost.

Not many of the managerial appointments were widely criticised at the outset, indeed most if not all looked visionary.

Its just a shame football isn't played on paper :-)

We are also not alone in the difficulty of regular duff managerial appointments and the subsequent revolving door of player trading that those involve.

Hearts, Rangers & Dundee United immediately spring to mind

Whether by luck or improved process we have seen managerial stability through Stubbs & Lennon which has led to player stability and not accidentally improved performances.

Hopefully it is improved process but it would be greatly ironic if when Lennon moves on it had proved to be luck

It will be painful viewing for all if Leanne's status is transformed from Messiah to pariah after a few iffy managerial appointments.

[Ozyhibby]

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That mistakes were made there is no doubt.

I would say those mistakes involved recruiting the wrong managers who needed replaced far earlier than they should have.

Those managers were to various extents given their head in signing players that their successors then moved on at huge cost.

Not many of the managerial appointments were widely criticised at the outset, indeed most if not all looked visionary.

Its just a shame football isn't played on paper :-)

We are also not alone in the difficulty of regular duff managerial appointments and the subsequent revolving door of player trading that those involve.

Hearts, Rangers & Dundee United immediately spring to mind

Whether by luck or improved process we have seen managerial stability through Stubbs & Lennon which has led to player stability and not accidentally improved performances.

Hopefully it is improved process but it would be greatly ironic if when Lennon moves on it had proved to be luck

It will be painful viewing for all if Leanne's status is transformed from Messiah to pariah after a few iffy managerial appointments.

I personally think it’s improved structure at the club. The manager no longer has to run everything down at east Mains.
Leeann Dempster managed to make Mark McGee, Craig Brown and Stuart McCall all look like good managers while she was at Motherwell. The minute they left they went back to being failures.



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[NAE NOOKIE]

I think the one thing the The Rangers debate shows is that folk had / have unrealistic expectations of what the fans reps can actually deliver. Its the job of the directors of any company to do what's right for the business and that includes them, if I read the situation correctly it was the opinion of the board based on ( according to them ) legal advice that any attempt to pursue this matter would be a waste of not only time, but more importantly, money with absolutely no prospect of a successful outcome.

I presume it wouldn't have taken the presence of fans reps at board meetings about this subject for the club to be aware that it was the opinion of the fans that Rangers 2012 be stripped of any honours they claim to be owners of prior to 2012 or at the very least honours won during the EBT period and that the SFA needed taken to task for what they allowed to happen, with robust structures put in place to ensure such a situation never arises again.

Now, from my POV that didn't mean Hibs couldn't have released a strong statement making it clear that in the clubs opinion removal of these honours if it was legally possible to do so was what we wanted and that its also the clubs opinion that the SFA and SPFL need to recognise that a situation where they are apparently powerless to strip a club of honours they claim to have won in competitions owned and administered by both bodies is ridiculous ..... I find it unfathomable that as the governing bodies of Scottish football they are apparently legally powerless to strip a participant in a competition they own and run of a win if it is subsequently found they did so while breaking the rules. Lance Armstrong can only dream that the SFA / SPFL ran professional cycling.

This once again brings us back to fan ownership of Hibs. What appears to be happening here is folk saying that if the club was run by the fans the fan run board would have been happy to piss away £50,000 or whatever in the fruitless pursuit of an action the clubs legal advisors had already told them was 'bound to fail' ...... If that's how Hibs would be run by 'the fans' then I for one hope it never happens.

That's not bending over to take it up the ass from The Rangers or the SFA ....... Its protecting the interests of the club in the real world where no matter how unpalatable or unfair something clearly is wasting the clubs human resources and money on it with absolutely no prospect of changing it would only be detrimental to the clubs finances and ability to compete on the park.

Celtic are the main movers and shakers in this situation and are held up as the poster boy for pursuit of the Rangers and the SFA, including by a few folk on here.
For all their hot air can anybody tell me how much of their mega wealth they have committed to a legal challenge against either SEVCO or the SFA / SPFL so far? My bet is not a bloody penny because they have had the same legal advice as Hibs.

In this case it wouldn't have mattered a rats ass if the two reps had the casting vote on the Hibs board, they would still have had no choice but to listen to the legal advice they were given, any other action would have laid them open to accusations of negligence as club directors ... so IMO the flack they are taking over this is not only totally unfair, its totally unjustified.

What I want to hear is what the SFA and SPFL are putting in place NOW to ensure that this situation never arises again and that measures are taken to ensure that they can legally remove honours where appropriate and stop a club ( by court action if necessary ) from claiming them, either in its club literature or by putting 5 bloody silly stars on their shirt.

[Velma Dinkley]

The stripping of titles wasn't the issue. An investigation needed to take place to reveal the extent of the cheating, how it was allowed to happen, why it went unpunished and who was responsible for what. Then anyone responsible for wrongdoing could have been taken to task and Scottish football would have been in a position to progress.

[Ozyhibby]

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The stripping of titles wasn't the issue. An investigation needed to take place to reveal the extent of the cheating, how it was allowed to happen, why it went unpunished and who was responsible for what. Then anyone responsible for wrongdoing could have been taken to task and Scottish football would have been in a position to progress.

Exactly. If they had a full investigation and at the end of it said because of decisions made earlier we can’t now strip titles then that’s fair enough. We still could have had full transparency and put proper checks and balances in to prevent it happening again.
Frank said in the interview that nothing would have been achieved? How about knowing the truth and improving governance of the game?


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[JeMeSouviens]

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Exactly. If they had a full investigation and at the end of it said because of decisions made earlier we can’t now strip titles then that’s fair enough. We still could have had full transparency and put proper checks and balances in to prevent it happening again.
Frank said in the interview that nothing would have been achieved? How about knowing the truth and improving governance of the game?


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He also said he started off wanting Rangers punished but didn't know why? I replayed it a few times to make sure.