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08-09-2017 05:47 AM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Free link (without any Latin in the report): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-borders-road/
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08-09-2017 08:12 AM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I understand the farmers issues, sometimes harvest can be a stressful time trying to find a window in the weather and if you have to do certain things on a certain day then it just has to be done. Maybe the event organisers should think about running it another weekend when it isn't such a busy time for farmers?
However the way they protested it is not on and potentially very dangerous, I'm sure the police will be knocking on their doors pretty soon for a chat.
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08-09-2017 08:31 AM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Bread sticks (and bananas) would be most welcome, thanks.
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09-09-2017 11:54 AM #10
I did the Tour o' the Borders last Sunday but didn't see these two loonies. Everyone at the side of the road that I saw was pretty supportive.
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09-09-2017 12:49 PM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
My thoughts - the weather has been very mixed and the harvest decides many farmers' income for the year. Sports events are SO very important - everything else has to take second place for them. Closing roads for a cycle race this time of year in a farming area like the Borders is inconsiderate to say the least. I don't like the idea of the old boys going after them with drain rods, but I can understand why they did. I'm sure none of the cyclists would appreciate farmers obstructing THEM going about their daily work.
There's an annual 'fun run' in my area that causes any amount of disruption to the roads. There's supposed to be proper supervision - non-existent - and cyclists aren't supposed to ride more than two abreast - they ride in large numbers right out to the white line and beyond - and getting anywhere by road that day is a nightmare. I've even seen an ambulance (lights flashing) trying unsuccessfully to get out onto the main road and no one giving way.
One of my neighbours in the Highlands (where another of these events took place annually) had been in the Commandos during WW2. HE recommended cheese-wire. It worked with the Germans, after all ....
I think I might have had a wee accident on a blind corner with a muck-spreader.Last edited by --------; 09-09-2017 at 12:52 PM.
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09-09-2017 02:26 PM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
By the way, Borders Council wouldn't allow the roads to be closed if the cycling event (it wasn't a race) wasn't worth it to the area financially.
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09-09-2017 03:20 PM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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09-09-2017 03:23 PM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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09-09-2017 04:17 PM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
How long is it and how difficult?
Asking for a friend.....
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09-09-2017 04:26 PM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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09-09-2017 04:49 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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09-09-2017 05:52 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Once you've done a sportive in the Borders (Tour of the Borders or Tour of Tweeddale, which is much the same route but £40-£50 cheaper; or the Skinny Tweed which is the shortest and has most official cake stops per mile of the three) you'll likely never go back to Pedal for Scotland.
Cycling in the Borders will take your breath away, literally (at first) and otherwise (always)!
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09-09-2017 06:22 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Skinny seems like my next target. I was buzzing after last year's PFS, which is the longest I'd ever ridden. I didn't find it easy, but easier than I'd expected.
And, after watching Contador this afternoon.........
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11-09-2017 04:09 PM #20
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.co...race-1-4556917
Police are looking for someone who goes under the street-name Snooky.....
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11-09-2017 04:34 PM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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12-09-2017 02:49 PM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Beefster, what do you mean by "worth it to the area"? If you mean "people living within the area", who specifically are they? In this case, certainly not the farmers. And the Borders economy is largely an agricultural economy, surely?
And btw - farmer's tractors are subject to the same laws as the rest of the traffic, and mostly they're at work, or going to or from work - in other words, they have to be where they are at any given time. I can't recollect any of my farmer friends deciding to take the John Deere and a 10-ton cattle float out for a joyride on a Sunday afternoon.
The people who are benefitting from this event clearly aren't the farmers trying to get their work done - bring in their harvest or move their livestock at a very busy time of the year when the weather tends to be unsettled and pressure is mounting. Loss of a field of grain can mean the difference between a decent year and a disaster in farming.
So maybe this cycling event benefits cyclists? Local dignitaries who get their photos in the papers? Vendors of high-energy drinks and protein bars? On-line suppliers of fluorescent skin-tight apparel? Chemists selling haemorrhoid cream? It's a farming area. How does one benefit the area but not the people who work there?
There's an event that takes place every year (on a Sunday when no one ever goes anywhere, of course) around the Caldercruix-Slamannan area. Every year it causes great inconvenience to the locals. There are supposed to be marshals to ensure the obstruction's kept to a minimum - I never saw any. The cyclists are supposed to obey the normal rule of the road - most of them don't seem to know the rule of the road, and the others show no sign of paying any heed to it at all.
What the event does is it feeds a hostility that exists in many people's minds against cyclists. The impression given is of a large number of people taking over the roads without the slightest concern for anyone else's convenience or needs. I've seen an ambulance with it's flashing lights on trying to get out of a side road and being totally ignored by these people. Personally, when I'm in the car in traffic and I see that, if no one else stops to let them out, I do. Don't you?
The irony is that there's an off-road track for walkers and cyclists running from Airdrie to Bathgate which could easily be closed to pedestrians for that one Sunday, but cyclists' groups insist on using the A89 and other local roads. I used to use the walkway when I lived in the area to walk my dog. I always had the dog under full control; I kept to one side of the hard surface, and I kept my eyes and ears open for other users. I early lost count of the number of times a cyclist or cyclists would speed past from behind me with no warning given and many of them within two or three inches of my shoulder. Usually with a demand for me to "Get that f*****g dog under control", or to "F*** off, this is a cycle track", which it isn't - not exclusively. Those who gave a timely warning call or rang their bell caused no problem at all, but they were very much the minority.
Half a dozen mountain-bikers once almost creamed me and my poor dog on a logging track up a hill in Sutherland. I was at walking speed, and my dog was with me and under control. They were travelling at high speed and not looking where they were going. I mentioned this later to my Church Officer, a local man of very good character who had served in Special Services during WW2. (He invaded Northern France about 2 years before the rest of the Allied Armies and made himself a total pain in the backside to the Wehrmacht, actually.) His remedy for the problem? Cheese-wire. It worked for the Germans, he said, in the War.
Now I'm basically a peaceable guy; I have friends who are keen cyclists, and I don't cut cyclists up when I'm driving. I give them space and slow down when passing them. I really do try to be tolerant and co-operative.
But there are times, just now and then, when I find myself wondering whether my old friend wasn't right after all.Last edited by --------; 12-09-2017 at 02:58 PM.
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12-09-2017 05:40 PM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Besides, I'm more a "dig-a-6-foot-trench" man
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12-09-2017 05:48 PM #24This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As I said before, the Festival is a massive pain in the nuts for a lot of folk who live or work in Edinburgh. Most are sensible enough to realise that bringing money into the area and promoting tourism is important to the well-being of an area though.Last edited by Beefster; 12-09-2017 at 05:50 PM.
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12-09-2017 08:08 PM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
* For whole of Scotland, "£106m" here: http://mediacentre.visitscotland.org...lution-2098699
and "£345m" here: https://www.sustrans.org.uk/news/new...ottish-economy
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12-09-2017 10:07 PM #26This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Those links refer to visitors touring the country by cycle - not 'events' requiring the closure of roads to accommodate lots of cyclists all going the same way at the same time. I lived in the Highlands for 15 years - I'm well aware of the growth in the number of tourists travelling round Scotland on bikes. They don't demand the exclusive use of the roads all to themselves.
Properly organised, charity 'fun' days and - what would you call them - rallies? - shouldn't be a major problem either. The problem is that the ones we're talking about here aren't properly organised and cause major disruption and aggravation to the people actually living in the areas concerned.
I would seriously doubt that there can be any economic advantages accruing from the 'fun run' I'm talking about taking place annually through the Caldercruix area - it's just an 8-hour pain in the backside for the locals.
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12-09-2017 10:46 PM #27This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I do generally spend money in Peebles when I do a sportive from there.
What's the event you refer to - is it this?
As for cyclists riding too close to you on cycle paths, got to side with the cyclists there. It's great fun to 'buzz' old folks like yourself. I often unclip and kick their walking sticks away from them too. Conversely, when I'm out walking myself and a nearby cyclist is dressed offensively garishly, I hit him with my stick.
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12-09-2017 11:17 PM #28This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Plenty disruption though.
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13-09-2017 05:40 AM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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13-09-2017 07:22 AM #30This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In this light, what you call 'disruption' may be viewed as 'a steady stream of opportunities for personal gain'.
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