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[High-On-Hibs]

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What saddens me the most tonight is how many Hibs fans seem delighted to tell the rest of us how bad our club/board are, that they somehow conned them into buying a ST and how they are now "out".

Actually, less saddened than amused. Some of you are really acting like kids.

Nice twist of words there, claiming that people are "delighted" to tell "the rest of us" how "bad our club/board are". It couldn't possibly be that some of us are absolutely furious about this statement that effectively condones a new club claiming an old clubs titles while being completely free from the responsibility that came with the cheating in order to gain those titles.

I reckon the people saying we should just move on, would have backed the club statement regardless of what it said. Even if it had been the exact opposite, the same people would still be claiming that it was a great statement. Can't form opinions of their own, so just follow the club line at every turn.

[truehibernian]

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Exactly this.

It needn't take up huge resource or cost for the club to say "yes, an enquiry is the right thing to do.".

I'd be massively concerned if having an appetite for doing what many of us feel is the right thing to do, had any impact on the board's ability to focus on a healthy future for the club.

What exactly would an independent enquiry prevent us from focusing on?


It's bollocks. Feels like a complete and utter cop out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFObWTD9Gv4

Replace 'footballers' with certain 'football clubs in Scotland' and Wee Gordon has it bang on about football and morality Matty.

Football is a huge business in this era, Scottish football is in the financial mire and money talks and sponsors walk........unless conditions are attached..........

I'm not sure what an independent enquiry would achieve at the end of the day Matty, nor have I the faith that it would be 'independent' or indeed get the assistance and cooperation from everyone involved - you would need to clarify objectives at the very start. Is is going after individuals within the authority to name and shame (and sack), or the whole 'root and branch' authority/governing body itself (Rod included) ? Is it a 'going after The Rangers enquiry' ? Or to satiate the need for those that ultimately want to say 'told you so' - because really, after all the court business, the rulings already have 'told us so' - they cheated and there were those within the 'football establishment' who 'knew' or more importantly chose 'not to know' or omitted finding out true facts.

It's been going on for years, not just at senior level but at all levels of football - and for decades.

Rather than independent enquiries, how about our sporting journalists do what they studied for years to do at Uni, and now get paid for doing - investigative journalism for the good of the game - rather than podcasts about Neil Lennon cupping his ears to supporters surely we have enough talented journalists in this country who could really drill deep into this affair and get answers or expose the truth ?.........far more likely to get decent sources than any independent formal enquiry too

I'm still raging at Salvy Boys club tapping up players in 1984 and want an investigation into that (disclaimer, only joking - plus Hutchie beat them anyway )

[ronaldo7]

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I am far too slow. Still waiting for the Hibernian tops and Fans Reps coming back with how they challenged the Hundogs and the outcome after the disgraceful way Hibs fans, including myself, were treated, at the infamous Christmas bigotfest game. Today's statement does therefore not surprise me in the slightest.

Tracey and Frank.....speak to us!

BIG G

That was taken on by Leeann herself. She used the big broom on that one too.

[Cropley10]

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I think the supporters of the game have a right to know what happened, how did so much get by the powers that be, how much was ignored or had a blind eye turned to it, and to what extent rules were broken without consequence.

I'm not especially bothered about title stripping, though I think they should be, but for me it is all about transparency and accountability.

We all know they cheated but how were they allowed to - and you can lump Hearts into this as well, they were well at it during Romanov's time. Who knew and why was nothing done about it?

Spot on. Well said.

[WhileTheChief..]

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What a pathetic, snivelling, arrogant thing to say. Anybody who takes an interest in the club has a right to post on here, regardless of how much each individual gives the club at any given time. For all you know, that poster has contributed far more to the club coughers than you ever will.

He said it himself.

If you're never going back to ER and you've turned your back on the game, then you're no longer a supporter, that goes without saying.

Doesn't matter how much he's contributed to the club in the past.

Besides, now that he no longer cares about the club he won't mind me saying it.

He's a grown man, I'm sure he can speak for himself.

[madhatter]

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What saddens me the most tonight is how many Hibs fans seem delighted to tell the rest of us how bad our club/board are, that they somehow conned them into buying a ST and how they are now "out".

Actually, less saddened than amused. Some of you are really acting like kids.

I said its probably the last ST as its clear that Scottish Football will never change - this confirms this. What is this " fairer" future and how do Hibs and the rest of the clubs plan to get there? Transparency and appropriate management? No? Well why should I spend £400+ annually on such garbage. Nobody is being forced to buy STs but timing of this reminds me of Arsenal's big summer signing spree (or eventually lack of)

May I presume that ST sales have dried up so the club decided this would be the best time to release this statement rather than when the ST sales were booming? Clearly just an hypothesis...

[Brightside]

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Dempster grew up a Currant Bun.


Funny you say that. Always had a wee feeling after the lack of club statement post cup final that this might be the case.

Think LD has done alot of really great work at Hibs so far but was disappointed with the non defence of our club then.

Suspect she might end up at Sevco one day.

Jesus.

[RMQ1967]

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You may be right but if that is how Scottish Football deals with illegal activity within its domain then Scottish Football in my eyes is pointless.

Look at Scottish Football, we take an arrogant stance on crowd behaviour in Russia, Ukraine, etc. and such but we have sectarian songs sung weekly by Celtic and Rangers. As fans we were abhorred at the financial goings-on in Italy but allow a similar thing to go relatively unpunished and have the cheek to talk about brighter futures.

Hibs should sign Messi and Ronaldo. Win the league and Champions League then fold and return as Hibs Mk II. Football is commercialised to the extent that it is pointless competition is dead and now cheating is swept under the rug where does the pointlessness end?

This isn't a Scottish football problem - it's everywhere in football & business at every level all over the world. If UEFA & co wanted to put a stop to it they could. I feel more angry at being cheated out of silverware by the likes of Livi and hertz living beyond their means but I don't remember the same hysteria at that time.

I'm pleased Hibs have sensible financial governance but would I care if we'd done a herts or livi or Gretna to see us lift a few more cups - probably not too much.

An inquiry won't make a single shred of difference to my life or anyone else's - I'd rather Scottish football concentrate on progression & improvement and agendas like summer football, video replays or strict financial governance.

Raking over the coals isn't the way forward and the board have got this spot on.

[green day]

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May I presume that ST sales have dried up so the club decided this would be the best time to release this statement rather than when the ST sales were booming? Clearly just an hypothesis...

And we call Celtic fans paranoid 😁😁

[kaimendhibs]

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Dempster grew up a Currant Bun.


Funny you say that. Always had a wee feeling after the lack of club statement post cup final that this might be the case.

Think LD has done alot of really great work at Hibs so far but was disappointed with the non defence of our club then.

Suspect she might end up at Sevco one day.

Jesus. Im as annoyed as anyone but what a crock of *****

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[WhileTheChief..]

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I reckon the people saying we should just move on, would have backed the club statement regardless of what it said. Even if it had been the exact opposite, the same people would still be claiming that it was a great statement. Can't form opinions of their own, so just follow the club line at every turn.

Tsk, the arrogance.

[RossScott1991]

Rangers will be loving this forum tonight. Our club turning on itself. Let's just focus on winning matches, you may be pissed off at the board but it shouldn't be turned into us tearing into each other. Let's support lennon and the team.

[madhatter]

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And we call Celtic fans paranoid 😁😁

They are As are most fans - pay money and have things hidden from you makes it that way. Transparency in Football died off years ago.

Fans are the lifeblood of Football. Globally that has been lost. Spanish football are considering playing league games outside of Spain ffs - I'm sure their local fans love that idea...

Football stopped being a sport, its a business now.

[Crazyhorse]

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What saddens me the most tonight is how many Hibs fans seem delighted to tell the rest of us how bad our club/board are, that they somehow conned them into buying a ST and how they are now "out".

Actually, less saddened than amused. Some of you are really acting like kids.

I haven't read anyone that seems delighted. Disappointment seems to be the main feeling on here. Except for those who are amused like you. That's up to you and you are perfectly entitled to express your view/emotion/opinion. But make no mistake Rangers will be enjoying their victory, as the other club spokesmen back them up, even more than you seem to be.

[Ilovehibs]

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Rangers will be loving this forum tonight. Our club turning on itself. Let's just focus on winning matches, you may be pissed off at the board but it shouldn't be turned into us tearing into each other. Let's support lennon and the team.

You are right.

[High-On-Hibs]

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Rangers will be loving this forum tonight. Our club turning on itself. Let's just focus on winning matches, you may be pissed off at the board but it shouldn't be turned into us tearing into each other. Let's support lennon and the team.

They'll be loving the fact that they can be a new club and the old club (when it suits them) at the same time even more.

[Kaiser1962]

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I think the supporters of the game have a right to know what happened, how did so much get by the powers that be, how much was ignored or had a blind eye turned to it, and to what extent rules were broken without consequence.

I'm not especially bothered about title stripping, though I think they should be, but for me it is all about transparency and accountability.

We all know they cheated but how were they allowed to - and you can lump Hearts into this as well, they were well at it during Romanov's time. Who knew and why was nothing done about it?

I agree Matty. What irks me tonight is that we chose a different path in 2002 with the appointment of Williamson, a path I have defended till the cows come home and still believe to have been the right one. Others did not and continued their merry way to the point where (since the millenium)we have lost Airdrieonians, Clydebank, Gretna and Rangers with Hearts surviving as a result of some pretty strange decisions. Add admins for Livi and Dundee both twice alongside Morton, Motherwell and Dunfermline and its a pretty bleak picture which entitles us to ask why has there been twelve insolvency events in Scottish Football in just 16 seasons, over 25% of senior clubs. Gretna mattered to their fans every bit as much as Rangers did to theirs, only Gretna don't perpetuate the continuity myth.

[neil7908]

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"We prefer the latter option - working to ensure that in the future our game is fairer and more open, and has the potential to secure greater commercial income to fund further improvement for the longer term."

I might be prepared to give the board the benefit of the doubt on this statement, if they could let us know exactly what concrete actions they are taking to ensure that our game is fairer and more open in the future. As at the moment I'm not entirely sure whats changed or will change at the SFA or SPFL to ensure that the likes of Rangers/Hearts/Gretna's cheating will not happen again.

This is a great point. If the club want to get the fans back onside let's see what they have planned for the future. The bit you've quoted above is just meaningless words at the moment.

I've seen lots about moving on and looking forward. What are we moving to?

As for commercial income increasing, is this going to be distributed more evenly? Will we see fairer, more competitive league?

Nothing in the club's statement gives me any confidence in the future.

[RossScott1991]

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They'll be loving the fact that they can be a new club and the old club (when it suits them) at the same time even more.

New club we pumped 3.2 to bring the greatest day in our clubs history.
New club we pumped last month.

Get behind the team, far greater things to worry about. The Rangers are pish. We are Hibs.

[green day]

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Rangers will be enjoying their victory, as the other club spokesmen back them up, even more than you seem to be.

I despise Sevco, don't mistake my amusement at some radge comments on here for anything else.

[neil7908]

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And we call Celtic fans paranoid 😁😁

Not really paranoid, I suspect it's true. The statement even mentions that the matter has been discussed at successive board meetings. Would it really have stopped us doing business in the transfer window if this statement came out earlier?

[RMQ1967]

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Ben Johnson
Marion Jones
Lance Armstrong
Alberto Contador

They may have their memories... until they also remember their cheating was exposed and they lost all those medals and trophies.

It's similar but not really the same; rangers was an entity - the players themselves didn't cheat - the occasions for their players and supporters have come & gone - a long time ago.

I give you Gretna, Livi, Herts, Motherwell - should they also be stripped of titles and games won with money they didn't have? Honestly what's the point - would it make you feel any better.

[Crazyhorse]

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A serious question; what do you consider to be proper justice? Someone getting the sack, someone going to jail? Seriously what would you like to happen if all your suspicions are proven to be correct?

All I see is another pointless inquiry that leads to another pointless report that everyone whines about & complains about cover ups and a lack of appropriate punishment.

If you want a debate about justice go and read Plato.
All I want is the SFA/SPL rules about the mis-registration of players to be applied retrospectively. Because evidence has emerged recently that Rangers did just that.

[Ozyhibby]

Just catching up as I've been really busy tonight. Obviously disappointed in Hibs but not surprised.
Took me a while to read through the whole thread but have to say I'm very impressed with how quickly the 'move on' guys mobilised and the number of posts they have on the thread considering it's a subject they claim they have no interest in. It's almost as if it's co-ordinated. Impressive.


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[ronaldo7]

Absolutely gutted with that statement from our club. When it comes to Rangers, old or new, we seem to be able to find a broom large enough to fix their cheating.

We're still waiting for the outcome of Leeann's investigation into the Ibrox debacle. Another thing swept under the carpet.

Whatever happened to "sporting integrity", and how do we know it won't/can't happen again.

For all we know, the new huns could be handing out brown envelopes again.

[660]

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Just catching up as I've been really busy tonight. Obviously disappointed in Hibs but not surprised.
Took me a while to read through the whole thread but have to say I'm very impressed with how quickly the 'move on' guys mobilised and the number of posts they have on the thread considering it's a subject they claim they have no interest in. It's almost as if it's co-ordinated. Impressive.


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This thread is going places.

[inglisavhibs]

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You've totally missed the point.

Rangers deliberately concealed information from HMRC and the SFA to gain a sporting advantage. Paying players tax free. People working for Rangers and the SFA knew what was going on. When they admitted one tax problem the SFA still allowed them to play in Europe, because Rangers needed that money to survive. Luckily for everyone else Maribor came along and pumped Rangers quickly went bust.

But instead of becoming The Rangers their friends at the SFA have gone along with the lie they're the same Club because the two daft Englishmen Doncaster and Reagan can't envisage Scottish football without the tiresome Old Firm.

The SFA is corrupt. Hibs are complicit in that. Shameful.

No they are not. EBT's were widely used in England by many clubs ( they were thought to be legal) so don't pretend this is just a Scottish problem. Oh and by the way if you are out as you say, i know some kids who would be delighted to use your season ticket.

[madhatter]

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This isn't a Scottish football problem - it's everywhere in football & business at every level all over the world. If UEFA & co wanted to put a stop to it they could. I feel more angry at being cheated out of silverware by the likes of Livi and hertz living beyond their means but I don't remember the same hysteria at that time.

I'm pleased Hibs have sensible financial governance but would I care if we'd done a herts or livi or Gretna to see us lift a few more cups - probably not too much.

An inquiry won't make a single shred of difference to my life or anyone else's - I'd rather Scottish football concentrate on progression & improvement and agendas like summer football, video replays or strict financial governance.

Raking over the coals isn't the way forward and the board have got this spot on.

We all want a better future but beyond some nice words, what is the better future and how do we plan on getting there? Scottish Football has been talking about improving the standard of our league, improving the global interest in our league and making sure we qualify for International tournaments virtually since I was born. We are talking decades with limited change. When is the fairer, brighter future due? Will we still be inhabiting Earth and will the Sun still have plenty life in it or will we have emigrated before the Sun becomes a red giant and engulfs the Earth?

Timescale and plan for a recurring problem might be a wise solution. We still don't have suitable playing pitches in Edinburgh (a problem which again has been decades old). Celtic will win the league again, we knew that before last season finished. Global market of football requires that our league is competitive, standard is good and Scotland qualifies for International tournaments. We have none of this. Hence nobody out with Scotland (except for those emigrants) is particularly interested in our game.

They think its pointless, who can blame them?

[WhileTheChief..]

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Just catching up as I've been really busy tonight. Obviously disappointed in Hibs but not surprised.
Took me a while to read through the whole thread but have to say I'm very impressed with how quickly the 'move on' guys mobilised and the number of posts they have on the thread considering it's a subject they claim they have no interest in. It's almost as if it's co-ordinated. Impressive.


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I'm only speaking for myself but when I read some of the stuff on here about my club then aye, it made me respond, without coordinating with others!

I feel far far stronger towards defending my club then I do about bashing it over yet another enquiry.

Maybe what you're seeing here is the silent majority who really don't care too much about the issue voicing their opinion when they see their club attacked so much?

[High-On-Hibs]

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New club we pumped 3.2 to bring the greatest day in our clubs history.
New club we pumped last month.

Get behind the team, far greater things to worry about. The Rangers are pish. We are Hibs.

Will they still be pish when they take away our McGinns and Bartleys through dubious dealings, having learned the square root of SFA from all of this? People are extremely short sighted if they think a return back to the status quo is a good thing for our own club.