Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Tornadoes70]

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With this in mind, Hibernian Football Club welcome the Judicial Review and will comply with complete transparency on these matters.

Absolutely.

I sincerely hope the titles are stripped and the game can move on with a new ethos of fairness by demonstrating there are no clubs that can act out-with the rules that the other clubs are bound by.

[jacomo]

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It was my understanding that the rules in place at the time were so limited that the independent legal advice is that nothing else could be done, so any reference to breaches of rules and comparing punishments is totally pointless.

Rangers EBTs were 2001-2010.

In Jan 2010 Dunfy were thrown out of Scottish Cup for fielding ineligible players:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/scottish-premier/6989662/Dunfermline-kicked-out-of-Scottish-Cup-for-breaches-of-competition-rules.html

The SFA's position is, at best, bafflingly inconsistent.

I think the legal advice they are relying on is that they asked LNS to deal with this and they can't revisit it.

But of course - the purpose of the LNS review was to try and make this all go away. Even judges at the time disagreed.

[JeMeSouviens]

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I would say that's very good.Measured and doesn't make wild claims on behalf of Hibs fans many of whom couldn't care less.

Cheers.

[Keith_M]

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It was my understanding that the rules in place at the time were so limited that the independent legal advice is that nothing else could be done, so any reference to breaches of rules and comparing punishments is totally pointless.

Side letters, covered up by Rangers, leading to improperly registered players

They willingly broke the rules. Where's the confusion?

[weecounty hibby]

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Side letters, covered up by Rangers, leading to improperly registered players

They willingly broke the rules. Where's the confusion?

The confusion comes in when there is a complicit media, a judicial system that helps the establishment i.e the rangers, governing bodies who are afraid to challenge one of the cartel that they helped create and now fans of other clubs saying that we should just forget about the cheating. If we let it go then nothing will ever change in Scottish football

[Thecat23]

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Side letters, covered up by Rangers, leading to improperly registered players

They willingly broke the rules. Where's the confusion?

Exactly. Folk saying "let it go there is no more that can be done" is a huge worry. Yeah let's just give up because the rules back then were *****. Sorry but if all clubs applied huge pressure on the SFA more could and should be done.

As I say I include my own club on this, but everyone is **** scared of the Huns and it's that attitude that allows them to do what they like. I hope they get stripped of titles in fact in hope they ****ing die.

[silverhibee]

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Exactly. Folk saying "let it go there is no more that can be done" is a huge worry. Yeah let's just give up because the rules back then were *****. Sorry but if all clubs applied huge pressure on the SFA more could and should be done.

As I say I include my own club on this, but everyone is **** scared of the Huns and it's that attitude that allows them to do what they like. I hope they get stripped of titles in fact in hope they ****ing die.

I'm with you on this Shirley, clubs or anyone involved in cheating in Scottish football should be punished, doesn't matter how long ago it happened or what they done, which brings me on to this, footballers and others who have been involved in betting on games in Scotland, not so long ago this happened, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39864684) a player and Chairman of Scottish clubs were charged with placing bets on games from 2011 to 2017, if the SFA are willing to punish folk who do this for gain who have tried to hide it from the SfA for a number of years until they were caught, then why can't the SFA pursue The Rangers and hand out a fitting punishment to them for something they hid many years ago.

It worries me that other owners of clubs in Scotland seem to just want to sweep this under the carpet and move on as if nothing happened.

[Thecat23]

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I'm with you on this Shirley, clubs or anyone involved in cheating in Scottish football should be punished, doesn't matter how long ago it happened or what they done, which brings me on to this, footballers and others who have been involved in betting on games in Scotland, not so long ago this happened, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39864684) a player and Chairman of Scottish clubs were charged with placing bets on games from 2011 to 2017, if the SFA are willing to punish folk who do this for gain who have tried to hide it from the SfA for a number of years until they were caught, then why can't the SFA pursue The Rangers and hand out a fitting punishment to them for something they hid many years ago.

It worries me that other owners of clubs in Scotland seem to just want to sweep this under the carpet and move on as if nothing happened.

Exactly Silver, why would any fan at any club in Scotland have the attitude of well let's leave it as the lawyers say we can do no more. Utter bull****. If clubs all stuck together and refused to play them until a proper investigation was done with the proper outcome.

Get these cheating ******** to ****.

[Ozyhibby]

Still nothing from Traceyhibs? Checks the thread everyday but chooses not to reply. Not really how she sold herself during the election.


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[Spike Mandela]

Imagine if the SFA or SPFL governed the game as stringently as this......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41118927

A bit harsh but letter of the law applied, maybe something worked out on appeal. Correct way for o do things?

[Ozyhibby]

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Imagine if the SFA or SPFL governed the game as stringently as this......

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41118927

A bit harsh but letter of the law applied, maybe something worked out on appeal. Correct way for o do things?

Absolutely it is the correct way to do things.
Instead in Scotland we have the SFA deliberately delaying the registration of players so that they can't play against Rangers.


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[Deansy]

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My understanding is that it's not that nothing else could have been done at the time, but that the SPFL have found a lawyer who's told them it's now too late to challenge the decision of Lord Nimmo-Smith. There's a supporters' group somewhere (mainly Celtic) that's getting legal advice on whether a judicial review of this and other football authority actions can be undertaken.

It would be interesting to hear what Lord N-S now thinks about his commission's verdict in light of the Supreme Court verdict on the EBTs. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a journalist in Scotland with sufficient curiosity to pick up a phone and try to find out.

I've been wondering that as well - how does LNS feels knowing that the SFA/Campbell Ogilvie basically stitched him up OR was he part of the master-plan all along ??. Either way, he must know his name's mud as far as the football-fan fraternity goes !

[Ozyhibby]

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Hibs.net content.


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[Joe6-2]

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I'm with you on this Shirley, clubs or anyone involved in cheating in Scottish football should be punished, doesn't matter how long ago it happened or what they done, which brings me on to this, footballers and others who have been involved in betting on games in Scotland, not so long ago this happened, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39864684) a player and Chairman of Scottish clubs were charged with placing bets on games from 2011 to 2017, if the SFA are willing to punish folk who do this for gain who have tried to hide it from the SfA for a number of years until they were caught, then why can't the SFA pursue The Rangers and hand out a fitting punishment to them for something they hid many years ago.

It worries me that other owners of clubs in Scotland seem to just want to sweep this under the carpet and move on as if nothing happened.

Is it the old crap, we need a strong (the) rangers?

[blackpoolhibs]

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Still nothing from Traceyhibs? Checks the thread everyday but chooses not to reply. Not really how she sold herself during the election.


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Stitched up by Hibs and the other rep, leaving her to take all the flack.

[oldbutdim]

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https://johnjamessite.com/
Hibs.net content.


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"If Hibs.net want to effect real change the first thing they should do is to petition Leeann Dempster to sack Petrie. He is one of the principal architects of the cover-up."




Crikey!

Leeann sacking Rodders!

[Ozyhibby]

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"If Hibs.net want to effect real change the first thing they should do is to petition Leeann Dempster to sack Petrie. He is one of the principal architects of the cover-up."




Crikey!

Leeann sacking Rodders!

He does talk mince right enough. He's not wrong on the silence coming from Hibs though.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Stitched up by Hibs and the other rep, leaving her to take all the flack.

She can only be stitched up by Hibs if she is willing to be.



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[Baldy Foghorn]

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Stitched up by Hibs and the other rep, leaving her to take all the flack.

Stitched up by the other rep???? Funny that, as they are in constant dialogue......

[Iain G]

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"If Hibs.net want to effect real change the first thing they should do is to petition Leeann Dempster to sack Petrie. He is one of the principal architects of the cover-up."




Crikey!

Leeann sacking Rodders!

He talks a lot of p!$h that boy! Nice to know he is reading .net though and then spinning it all into his own little paranoid delusion....

[Ozyhibby]

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Stitched up by the other rep???? Funny that, as they are in constant dialogue......

So it's a joint decision to ignore the fans?


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[Argylehibby]

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She can only be stitched up by Hibs if she is willing to be.



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Not quite true. If she has advice from outside the club to say nothing either for the benefit of the club or for her personally she would follow that advice. Stepping down from the board wouldn't change that either.

[Ozyhibby]

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Not quite true. If she has advice from outside the club to say nothing either for the benefit of the club or for her personally she would follow that advice. Stepping down from the board wouldn't change that either.

For advice to go that far, then we are dealing with something worse than we thought.
These are not state secrets we are dealing with, it's about a football club communicating with its supporters it's views on protecting the integrity of the game. Are we just to accept that Rangers/Sevco are not to have the rules of the game applied to them?


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[Baldy Foghorn]

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So it's a joint decision to ignore the fans?


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Think they will have been told to keep quiet, as opposed to ignoring fans......

[marinello59]

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He talks a lot of p!$h that boy! Nice to know he is reading .net though and then spinning it all into his own little paranoid delusion....

Yet people still hang on his every word as if he has some sort of superior insight.

[Billy Whizz]

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Think they will have been told to keep quiet, as opposed to ignoring fans......

Probably has, but it should be taken out of their hands now, unfair flack they are getting. The ones upstairs earning the big bucks should be addressing this, one way or another

[Keith_M]

I think the status of a Fans Rep is not to be a source of communication from the club to the Fans on every subject, but they're there to help ensure the Fans PoV is put forward to the Board.

I personally don't think it's their responsibility to be keeping us up-to-date with any statement on Sevco, and they probably have restrictions in place as to what they're allowed to communicate and when.

I think it must be a difficult role for the Fans Reps and I wouldn't fancy doing it.

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On a related note; what happens if the club DO issue a statement, to the effect that we should forget all about it and just move on?

[Stonewall]

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I think the status of a Fans Rep is not to be a source of communication from the club to the Fans on every subject, but they're there to help ensure the Fans PoV is put forward to the Board.

I personally don't think it's their responsibility to be keeping us up-to-date with any statement on Sevco, and they probably have restrictions in place as to what they're allowed to communicate and when.

I think it must be a difficult role for the Fans Reps and I wouldn't fancy doing it.

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On a related note; what happens if the club DO issue a statement, to the effect that we should forget all about it and just move on?

Exactly.

If the board were to issue such a statement there would be a lot of noise on here, for a short period. At least we would know where we stand and be able to decide whether we are happy to continue to support a club where cheating is effectively condoned.

Anyway, who's to say that saying we should move on is not closer to the view of most Hibs' fans than the views of those of us who think it's an issue of fundamental importance which needs to be dealt with.

[Ozyhibby]

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I think the status of a Fans Rep is not to be a source of communication from the club to the Fans on every subject, but they're there to help ensure the Fans PoV is put forward to the Board.

I personally don't think it's their responsibility to be keeping us up-to-date with any statement on Sevco, and they probably have restrictions in place as to what they're allowed to communicate and when.

I think it must be a difficult role for the Fans Reps and I wouldn't fancy doing it.

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On a related note; what happens if the club DO issue a statement, to the effect that we should forget all about it and just move on?

Cross that bridge when we come to it.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Think they will have been told to keep quiet, as opposed to ignoring fans......

They are ignoring the fans on here. If they have been told to keep quiet then they should say so. Their job is to communicate with the fans.


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