Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Jack Hackett]

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Maybe, I was attempting to show that although the fans reps were meant to be pushing this for the fans, neither have contributed to the discussion on here for close on two months now.

Tracey's last post on the subject was on 13th Aug. I also see from her profile that she has been on this thread today.

Are you under orders Tracey? A simple yes/no would suffice.

[Ronniekirk]

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Maybe, I was attempting to show that although the fans reps were meant to be pushing this for the fans, neither have contributed to the discussion on here for close on two months now.

Think the Club should be putting out a statement to explain the delay and confirm when one will be made
The Silence is baffling


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[kaimendhibs]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...s_Neil_Lennon/

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[Jack Hackett]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...s_Neil_Lennon/

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Move along! Nothing to see here


... which of course, sums up the entire Sevco saga

[Bishop Hibee]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...s_Neil_Lennon/

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Yet people who claimed their was a vendetta against Hibs fans at the cup final were called paranoid. The behaviour of those of a bluenose persuasion grows bolder all the time.

[matty_f]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...s_Neil_Lennon/

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That is ****ing outrageous.

[MrSmith]

That article is one of the recent examples of why we must make a stand asap!

[marinello59]

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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/1...s_Neil_Lennon/

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I'm not surprised at this at all, not after the cup final witch hunts.

[Iggy Pope]

Airdrie Orange hall (an establishment older Hibbies will remember the stench of walking past). Or two kids dressed up as victims of the holocaust. Can't describe which is the more disgusting. I hate these *******s. The worrying thing is these kids will be allowed to grow up.

[Jack Hackett]

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Airdrie Orange hall (an establishment older Hibbies will remember the stench of walking past). Or two kids dressed up as victims of the holocaust. Can't describe which is the more disgusting. I hate these *******s. The worrying thing is these kids will be allowed to grow up.

... not to mention have kids of their own. The cycle continues

[green day]

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Airdrie Orange hall (an establishment older Hibbies will remember the stench of walking past). Or two kids dressed up as victims of the holocaust. Can't describe which is the more disgusting. I hate these *******s. The worrying thing is these kids will be allowed to grow up.

Sure I saw it on Trainspotting 2

[The Modfather]

For all the fantastic things Dempster has achieved so far, it does seem to me that she is happy to join Petrie's stance of "sporting integrity" and listening to the fans when it suits and doesn't rock the boat at the SFA gravy train. How many examples of sectarian abuse did we encounter under Stubbs alone from The Rangers, never mind under Neil Lennon, where the club just swept it under the carpet.

The fans reps also appear to only be fans reps when it comes to representing us on the easy stuff.

I may be wide if the mark on both counts,, but all I can conclude from the usual wall of silence on certain subjects.

[Ozyhibby]

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For all the fantastic things Dempster has achieved so far, it does seem to me that she is happy to join Petrie's stance of "sporting integrity" and listening to the fans when it suits and doesn't rock the boat at the SFA gravy train. How many examples of sectarian abuse did we encounter under Stubbs alone from The Rangers, never mind under Neil Lennon, where the club just swept it under the carpet.

The fans reps also appear to only be fans reps when it comes to representing us on the easy stuff.

I may be wide if the mark on both counts,, but all I can conclude from the usual wall of silence on certain subjects.

You'll no doubt hear from them at the next election.


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[marinello59]

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For all the fantastic things Dempster has achieved so far, it does seem to me that she is happy to join Petrie's stance of "sporting integrity" and listening to the fans when it suits and doesn't rock the boat at the SFA gravy train. How many examples of sectarian abuse did we encounter under Stubbs alone from The Rangers, never mind under Neil Lennon, where the club just swept it under the carpet.

The fans reps also appear to only be fans reps when it comes to representing us on the easy stuff.

I may be wide if the mark on both counts,, but all I can conclude from the usual wall of silence on certain subjects.

That's pretty unfair on the reps and the club. The club can't simply produce a statement mirroring the agenda of a couple of Celtic FC blogs which is what some here seem to be demanding. If they come out with anything less than demanding that titles be stripped then it simply will not satisfy some. The club have swept nothing under the carpet, they have made their representations in a measured and business like manner
It may be that Tracey is being silent because herself and Frank want a stronger statment than is proposed to be released or it may be that they realise that they simply can't win on this one. We know that the isssue was raised at board level by them, that doesn't mean they can get a proposed course of action voted through.
Sevco and Celtic were so far ahead of us financially at the time of the EBT's it was frightening. Sevco got even greedier and fixed what was effectively a two horse race, hence the reason that those shouting the loudest are Celtic minded bloggers. I really hope our club does better than follow them.

[lapsedhibee]

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That's pretty unfair on the reps and the club. The club can't simply produce a statement mirroring the agenda of a couple of Celtic FC blogs which is what some here seem to be demanding. If they come out with anything less than demanding that titles be stripped then it simply will not satisfy some. The club have swept nothing under the carpet, they have made their representations in a measured and business like manner
It may be that Tracey is being silent because herself and Frank want a stronger statment than is proposed to be released or it may be that they realise that they simply can't win on this one. We know that the isssue was raised at board level by them, that doesn't mean they can get a proposed course of action voted through.
Sevco and Celtic were so far ahead of us financially at the time of the EBT's it was frightening. Sevco got even greedier and fixed what was effectively a two horse race, hence the reason that those shouting the loudest are Celtic minded bloggers. I really hope our club does better than follow them.

What would be better?

[Just Alf]

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That's pretty unfair on the reps and the club. The club can't simply produce a statement mirroring the agenda of a couple of Celtic FC blogs which is what some here seem to be demanding. If they come out with anything less than demanding that titles be stripped then it simply will not satisfy some. The club have swept nothing under the carpet, they have made their representations in a measured and business like manner
It may be that Tracey is being silent because herself and Frank want a stronger statment than is proposed to be released or it may be that they realise that they simply can't win on this one. We know that the isssue was raised at board level by them, that doesn't mean they can get a proposed course of action voted through.
Sevco and Celtic were so far ahead of us financially at the time of the EBT's it was frightening. Sevco got even greedier and fixed what was effectively a two horse race, hence the reason that those shouting the loudest are Celtic minded bloggers. I really hope our club does better than follow them.

Very sensible post.... I've been adamant for a long time that they need some form of reprimand, even just wee stars in the records of the impacted years.... Simply to shut up the Rangers fans who to this day crow about their achievement and deny anything underhand helped them to get there.

It's looking like even the wee stars ain't gonna happen so I'm now getting to the position I'm no longer bothered about it.

That probably what the big wigs want I guess :-(



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[Ozyhibby]

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That's pretty unfair on the reps and the club. The club can't simply produce a statement mirroring the agenda of a couple of Celtic FC blogs which is what some here seem to be demanding. If they come out with anything less than demanding that titles be stripped then it simply will not satisfy some. The club have swept nothing under the carpet, they have made their representations in a measured and business like manner
It may be that Tracey is being silent because herself and Frank want a stronger statment than is proposed to be released or it may be that they realise that they simply can't win on this one. We know that the isssue was raised at board level by them, that doesn't mean they can get a proposed course of action voted through.
Sevco and Celtic were so far ahead of us financially at the time of the EBT's it was frightening. Sevco got even greedier and fixed what was effectively a two horse race, hence the reason that those shouting the loudest are Celtic minded bloggers. I really hope our club does better than follow them.

It's not good though if the fans reps just ignore the fans if the issue is a bit difficult for them.
The fact is, we were told a statement would be issued. That it had been agreed at board level. Were we being lied to? Were our fans reps lied to? If a course of action is agreed at board level, why has it not happened?
These are all fairly legitimate questions to ask.
The game in Scotland is run by the clubs and therefore we have to question our clubs when we see something that looks wrong.


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[marinello59]

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What would be better?

Anything that doesn't merely pander to the desire of Celtic bloggers and others driven more by the desire to give Sevco another kicking than anything else. Please don't come back with "sporting integrity." If that was the major driving force then every other club in the land would have demanded further punishment for Hearts. Apart from us nobody really gave a toss.

[Skol]

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It's not good though if the fans reps just ignore the fans if the issue is a bit difficult for them.
The fact is, we were told a statement would be issued. That it had been agreed at board level. Were we being lied to? Were our fans reps lied to? If a course of action is agreed at board level, why has it not happened?
These are all fairly legitimate questions to ask.
The game in Scotland is run by the clubs and therefore we have to question our clubs when we see something that looks wrong.


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This is it entirely.

Clearly a statement is not being made now and the fans reps have been told not to talk about the reasons why. I agree it makes a mockery of having these reps and this comes on top of some doubts many had and which we were promised by some candidates would change.

I for one will not vote in these again unless there is a 'none of the above' option

[lapsedhibee]

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Anything that doesn't merely pander to the desire of Celtic bloggers and others driven more by the desire to give Sevco another kicking than anything else. Please don't come back with "sporting integrity." If that was the major driving force then every other club in the land would have demanded further punishment for Hearts. Apart from us nobody really gave a toss.

I wouldn't particularly be bashing the phrase 'sporting integrity' about as that's Rod - or as the Celtc bloggers call him, Rob - Petrie's phrase. It's not really primarily about giving The Rongers a kicking - it's just that if NOTHING is done, as Ann Budgie and Stewart Milne appear to want, then I don't see how Scottish Fitba is really any different from professional wrestling.

[marinello59]

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This is it entirely.

Clearly a statement is not being made now and the fans reps have been told not to talk about the reasons why. I agree it makes a mockery of having these reps and this comes on top of some doubts many had and which we were promised by some candidates would change.

I for one will not vote in these again unless there is a 'none of the above' option

They are board members so are bound by collective responsibility. That's different from being told not to talk about this.
My guess is the board had agreed to release a statement but there is no agreement on what that statement should say. Just a guess of course but it would mean nobody has lied.

[Ozyhibby]

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They are board members so are bound by collective responsibility. That's different from being told not to talk about this.
My guess is the board had agreed to release a statement but there is no agreement on what that statement should say. Just a guess of course but it would mean nobody has lied.

I'd find it hard to believe the board agreed to release a statement but did not discuss the contents?
This is not really about Rangers. This is about the SFA failing to ensure the game is run fairly.


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[Baldy Foghorn]

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I'd find it hard to believe the board agreed to release a statement but did not discuss the contents?
This is not really about Rangers. This is about the SFA failing to ensure the game is run fairly.


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If it is a Board statement, why are you hounding the reps for it? Are they just there to take the flak?

Maybe seek clarification from Chairman or CEO on the "stance"

[marinello59]

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If it is a Board statement, why are you hounding the reps for it? Are they just there to take the flak?

Maybe seek clarification from Chairman or CEO on the "stance"

Well said. If anybody has to clarify what has happened here then it is the Chair.

[Blaster]

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If it is a Board statement, why are you hounding the reps for it? Are they just there to take the flak?

Maybe seek clarification from Chairman or CEO on the "stance"

To be fair to ozy it was Tracey who came on here and said a statement was coming shortly. I think the least she could do would be to come on and say she is unable to make comment at the moment for whatever reason

I've made my point before that I think the club should be focussing on our future progress than making a statement on this. However think ozy is correct in expecting some sort of reply

[Baldy Foghorn]

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To be fair to ozy it was Tracey who came on here and said a statement was coming shortly. I think the least she could do would be to come on and say she is unable to make comment at the moment for whatever reason

I've made my point before that I think the club should be focussing on our future progress than making a statement on this. However think ozy is correct in expecting some sort of reply

It's blatantly obviously that Hibs won't put a statement out now, and if they did, why would it come from fan's reps?

This would be a top level statement, not really what reps are to do....

[Blaster]

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It's blatantly obviously that Hibs won't put a statement out now, and if they did, why would it come from fan's reps?

This would be a top level statement, not really what reps are to do....

Think you are missing the point. I don't believe ozy is expecting a statement about the issue from the reps. It was Tracey who advised one was being issued and stated so on here. Ozy is only asking for a response to that

Anyway I'm out as I never wanted a statement in the first place!!

[Baldy Foghorn]

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Think you are missing the point. I don't believe ozy is expecting a statement about the issue from the reps. It was Tracey who advised one was being issued and stated so on here. Ozy is only asking for a response to that

Anyway I'm out as I never wanted a statement in the first place!!

Think the statement would be futile anyway Blaster, not sure what Hibs are meant to say....The powers that be, won't strip titles, as fans we have to suck it up.

[Blaster]

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Think the statement would be futile anyway Blaster, not sure what Hibs are meant to say....The powers that be, won't strip titles, as fans we have to suck it up.

I agree mate. For me the spfl have asked for an independent review and I don't see the need for hibs to add anything further

[Skol]

I dont expect the fans rep to make a statement, but one of them did say a statement would be made by the club before the season starts and has then gone silent when asked why the statement hasnt been made,

For what its worth I think a statement would be pretty pointless anyway.

However, what we were told by the fans rep with the current silence is what irks me, especially when elected on a campaign of more open communication.