SNP nonsense

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But you don't view this as a problem?



True, they do however speak for 56 out of the 59 Scottish MPs at Westminster.



Nobody said they haven't had influence. "Next to" zero, isn't the same as zero.


Actually, Labour could have saved themselves without the influence of the SNP. They brought themselves down.




How would you say these "Scots" have positively influenced Scotlands place in the United Kingdom?



Indeed. But where is that party now? The Labour Party of today couldn't be any further from their original purpose. They may have been started by the Scots, but they have been changed by the wider UK electorate, as to no longer represent what they were created to represent.



Which is based on the untruth that there are political matters that impact England only. All political matters impacting England also effect the wider UK. For example, if the UK Government decides to spend less money on the NHS in England, then this impacts the level of funding available for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. An issue that EVEL completely ignores.



The SNP, like every other MP that Scotland sends down to Westminster can only talk up Scotlands case. I've lost count of the amount of times i've heard Scottish MPs being jeered at Westminster whenever they try to make their own points. Perhaps you don't watch PMQs or the House of Commons live? But the way our MPs are treated down there is nothing short of abhorrent.

Im not going to argue all of these points, as i said originally they are moot, there is no right answer.

But the point is, i dont think that amoint of influence can be characterised as 'next to zero'.

With regard to your first point, I dont know if i have a problem with thay anymore - i used to care, but what difference does it really make? I suppose i just became a bit jaded and fed-up with the party politics, and afyer the indy ref i made my peace with the decision. I get that to many the opposite happened, but being involved for a while before the indy ref, and observing scottish politics before and after, we seem to habe gone very much backwards amd all this new found fervour and certainty has turned me off.

I always believed an indy scotland woyld have a tough time on creation, some hard years amd a big shock before settling down and doing fine. I used to think it was a proce worth paying. Now i dont.

Lastly, the divisions since indyref habe shown that we are jusy as capable of creating a divided and fractious society as the english, amd i fear am indy Scotland would be riven from the start, and so would contain within it the seeds of its own discontent, and be deformed from birth.