(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

**beensaidbefore** · 15-02-2017 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Hibs Class

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No posts on this thread for over three days......I take it things have been uneventful in Trumpland?

Folk have realised he is actually a really sound guy who is just a bit misunderstood.... 😉

**At The Edge** · 15-02-2017 05:22 PM

Trump himself is a bit part player in what is an a total farce of US politics, it's fascinating to watch, Stephen Miiler has been the stand out this week, guy is a total fruitcake with absolutely no emotion whatsoever and a view that Trump's executive orders or whatever he says in general should not be questioned, Trump has had a bit of a meltdown on Twitter today, all for wiki leaks and the like exposing Hilary pre election but not so keen when he's the one getting exposed for his pro Russian filled cabinet dealings.
will he last 6months at this rate before the senior Republicans pull the plug?

**ACLeith** · 15-02-2017 06:01 PM

Starting to look more and more like Watergate. the slow drip of info that goes higher and higher up the chain of command. What is the possibility that he knew of the contacts and gave his explicit approval? If he did and evidence emerges that proves it then he's toast

Here's hoping

***RyeSloan*** · 15-02-2017 07:39 PM

First of many crisis for Trump...he's set up a war with the deep state...he's only just beginning to feel it's power!

**hibsbollah** · 15-02-2017 10:04 PM

Well he's just announced he's no longer interested in the 'two state solution' in Palestine. Netanyahu now has a total green light for more illegal settlements and the US is even further away from mainstream world opinion on the issue.

So I'd say he's still keeping busy, being a Fascist radge.

**~~JackLadd~~** · 16-02-2017 02:08 AM

Flynn a wonderful man and victim of fake news, says Trump. No, he was sacked by you, Trump. FBI not prosecuting Flynn, that will be the same FBI who went after Hillary a week before the vote. Three of Trump's operatives had constant contact with Russian officials during the campaign. Trump staying tight lipped on media questions, refusing to address the matter. Get his tax returns out there, that will show any links.

***Sylar*** · 16-02-2017 08:37 AM

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Flynn a wonderful man and victim of fake news, says Trump. No, he was sacked by you, Trump. FBI not prosecuting Flynn, that will be the same FBI who went after Hillary a week before the vote. Three of Trump's operatives had constant contact with Russian officials during the campaign. Trump staying tight lipped on media questions, refusing to address the matter. Get his tax returns out there, that will show any links.

Won't be happening - Was tossed out after a 23-15 vote against forcing him to release them on Tuesday.

https://thinkprogress.org/congress-h...550#.z3liykndo

***Jim44*** · 16-02-2017 12:11 PM

Are dodgy hairstyles the secret to 'getting on' in politics? Donald Trump, Boris Johnson and Rex Tillerson ken what's goin' on.

**The Green Goblin** · 16-02-2017 02:45 PM

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Flynn a wonderful man and victim of fake news, says Trump. No, he was sacked by you, Trump. FBI not prosecuting Flynn, that will be the same FBI who went after Hillary a week before the vote. Three of Trump's operatives had constant contact with Russian officials during the campaign. Trump staying tight lipped on media questions, refusing to address the matter. Get his tax returns out there, that will show any links.

His position became untenable and I´m pretty sure he resigned. Trump has stood by him though, as you say.

What an unbelievable mess this all is. I still can´t get my head round how he is getting away with this stuff (e.g. appointing family members, the security farce at Florida, the statements his lackeys are coming out with - "the president´s authority will not be questioned" springs to mind etc. etc. etc.) You have a GOP majority who blocked the publication of his tax returns and seem to be willing to put up with absolutely anything, even proven collusion with Russian intelligence before, during and since the election, if it means holding onto power, even if the price of that is compromising the entire country and potentially the safety of the rest of the world. I literally can not understand why he is still there and nobody has acted. It´s mind-blowing.

***snooky*** · 16-02-2017 03:47 PM

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His position became untenable and I´m pretty sure he resigned. Trump has stood by him though, as you say.

What an unbelievable mess this all is. I still can´t get my head round how he is getting away with this stuff (e.g. appointing family members, the security farce at Florida, the statements his lackeys are coming out with - "the president´s authority will not be questioned" springs to mind etc. etc. etc.) You have a GOP majority who blocked the publication of his tax returns and seem to be willing to put up with absolutely anything, even proven collusion with Russian intelligence before, during and since the election, if it means holding onto power, even if the price of that is compromising the entire country and potentially the safety of the rest of the world. I literally can not understand why he is still there and nobody has acted. It´s mind-blowing.

Only in America.
Still living in the days of the Wild West.

***DaveF*** · 16-02-2017 05:51 PM

The press conference he is giving just now is so bad, yet I'm still watching it.

He is a complete walloper.

***DaveF*** · 16-02-2017 05:56 PM

Scratch that, he's not a walloper, he is insane. 100% mad as mad can be.

**heretoday** · 16-02-2017 06:31 PM

His delivery is very awkward. He talks like a ten year old and repeats the same boring nonsense over and over. If it wasn't so deadly serious it would be laughable.

**ACLeith** · 16-02-2017 07:53 PM

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Scratch that, he's not a walloper, he is insane. 100% mad as mad can be.

I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many ways

***Jim44*** · 16-02-2017 09:07 PM

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I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many ways

Perhaps he is. But that's not a great worry because there's only so much damage a nutter in his position can do till they slip the straightjacket on. What I worry about is the country that has a system which allows him to be elected to that position in the first place

***Smartie*** · 16-02-2017 09:11 PM

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I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many ways

I read a really interesting article that was written by a family member of someone who had some sort of narcissistic personality disorder, how to deal with the person (and not to deal with them) and the problems that it brings.

He went on to describe what it might mean to have someone in the Oval Office who suffered from one.

It was bang on the money. Trump is without doubt mentally ill.

If the world should be lucky enough to survive this enormously dangerous period, I hope one day we'll be able to look back at it and laugh at how utterly bonkers it is.

**~~JackLadd~~** · 16-02-2017 09:24 PM

That presser was a slow motion car crash. Basically attack the media (except Faux news) and deny, deflect and evade. If he wants media cheerleaders he should move to North Korea. Leaks are now criminal apparently, but he loved them just three months back. Didn't address the Russian questions other than to say it's the medias fault he can't lift the sanctions yet on Putin, hence why Putin launched a new cruise missile. Okay. No mention of any transparent investigation on his alleged campaign Russia collusion - he doesn't know his three guys named on the intel. Really? His attack on CNN strayed into vicious bullying territory I thought. Then he verbally assaulted the Jewish guy with a sit down and be quiet.

***Hibs Class*** · 16-02-2017 09:27 PM

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I have felt for a long time that he is mentally ill. A delusional megalomaniac. Similar to Romanov in many ways

You're not alone:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/o...rump.html?_r=0

***Jim44*** · 16-02-2017 10:06 PM

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The press conference he is giving just now is so bad, yet I'm still watching it.

He is a complete walloper.

It was being analysed on Newsnight a few minutes ago. It's really unbelievable how he expresses himself and the level of condescension and patronising is breathtaking. They included an interview with Sebastian Gorka, a Trump assistant. He sounded as bitter and crazy as his boss.

***AgentDaleCooper*** · 16-02-2017 10:30 PM

another major worry will present itself if he does get impeached, and that is having mike pence as president. he's actually got brains, and is possibly even more horrific in his political outlook than trump. bannon has described trump as a 'blunt instrument' - he get them into power, not just himself, and they are perfectly capable of conspiring to oust him. genuinely scary times.

**ACLeith** · 17-02-2017 05:15 AM

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another major worry will present itself if he does get impeached, and that is having mike pence as president. he's actually got brains, and is possibly even more horrific in his political outlook than trump. bannon has described trump as a 'blunt instrument' - he get them into power, not just himself, and they are perfectly capable of conspiring to oust him. genuinely scary times.

If he was impeached/deposed due to collusion with Russia trying to subvert the election could there be a case for rerunning the election?

Would be even more divisive than the last one but if the Democrats got their act together with a decent candidate then they would be likely to win?

Popcorn time

**ACLeith** · 17-02-2017 05:20 AM

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You're not alone:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/o...rump.html?_r=0

Thanks for the link. I am a complete layman regarding mental illness but just compare the dictionary definition of megalomania with his actions. One thing for sure - the mayhem of the last few weeks can't continue for 4 years, something will have to change and his mental state means it's not likely to be him

***AgentDaleCooper*** · 17-02-2017 10:16 AM

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If he was impeached/deposed due to collusion with Russia trying to subvert the election could there be a case for rerunning the election?

Would be even more divisive than the last one but if the Democrats got their act together with a decent candidate then they would be likely to win?

Popcorn time

i'm no expert, but as far as i'm aware, the impeachment of a president simply hands power to the VP - i think that's what happened with Nixon, Gerald Ford was his VP, and he succeeded Nixon when he went - though I think Nixon resigned, and I don't know what difference this makes on things.

**pontius pilate** · 17-02-2017 11:52 AM

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i'm no expert, but as far as i'm aware, the impeachment of a president simply hands power to the VP - i think that's what happened with Nixon, Gerald Ford was his VP, and he succeeded Nixon when he went - though I think Nixon resigned, and I don't know what difference this makes on things.

I the president becomes disposed after the annuaguration power then gets transferred to the v.p as laid down in the constitution. I only answer as the missus and I were watching a programme the other night where the president elect was assasinated before being sworn in the question the arose what would happen. IMO the American people voted for him so leave them to it. Again IMO Clinton could have been worse. They had to choose between two evils and chose the one with the best spin

***grunt*** · 17-02-2017 02:34 PM

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Again IMO Clinton could have been worse.

Difficult to see how.

***Just Alf*** · 17-02-2017 06:48 PM

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Difficult to see how.

Agreed, while she's obviously not perfect, the worst of the "negativity" looks to have come frome fake.news stories... i just can't understand how Mr Trump thought it was all fair game at.the time but President Trump now has the opposite view??

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**The Green Goblin** · 17-02-2017 09:15 PM

David Frum on Twitter just posted that NYT, CNN and others are about to break a "very, very damaging story indeed".

**ACLeith** · 18-02-2017 04:49 AM

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i'm no expert, but as far as i'm aware, the impeachment of a president simply hands power to the VP - i think that's what happened with Nixon, Gerald Ford was his VP, and he succeeded Nixon when he went - though I think Nixon resigned, and I don't know what difference this makes on things.

I agree that's the norm but just surmising a "what if". Don't want one nut job replaced by another