Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[emerald green]

This may be going over old ground. I've not read back the thread. Anyway...

Speaking in 2012, King said: "With regard to the EBTs, I was on the board (of Rangers) so I have to take some of the responsibility. And I follow the logic of the argument that if we lose the tax case then we probably did gain some competitive advantage."

GASL seems to have changed his tune now. IMHO there is no "probably" about it. They did, and there must be sanctions against cheating.

Even without the EBTs, Rangers (as was) already had a huge inbuilt financial advantage over every other club in Scotland except Celtic, yet that wasn't enough for them it would appear.

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http://www.stand-free.com/articles/r...t-be-stripped/

That's a very good article. Particularly liked this bit

Many teams in Scotland have been ejected from cup competitions over the years for fielding a single ineligible player, often innocently. Rangers knowingly and for good reason fielded ineligible teams in every game they played for a decade. Every game should have been forfeited 0-3 on this basis alone.

[jacomo]

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This may be going over old ground. I've not read back the thread. Anyway...

Speaking in 2012, King said: "With regard to the EBTs, I was on the board (of Rangers) so I have to take some of the responsibility. And I follow the logic of the argument that if we lose the tax case then we probably did gain some competitive advantage."

GASL seems to have changed his tune now. IMHO there is no "probably" about it. They did, and there must be sanctions against cheating.

Even without the EBTs, Rangers (as was) already had a huge inbuilt financial advantage over every other club in Scotland except Celtic, yet that wasn't enough for them it would appear.

While it's nice not seeing or hearing from Neil Doncaster in a while, his continued silence on this issue is telling. Just checked SPFL website (and SFA for good measure), and there is no statement at all on the revelation that Rangers didn't properly register their players for a decade.

Surprised? Not one bit. I bet Doncaster is wetting the bed every night, in case details of his dodgy deals with Sevco come to light.

[HoboHarry]

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While it's nice not seeing or hearing from Neil Doncaster in a while, his continued silence on this issue is telling. Just checked SPFL website (and SFA for good measure), and there is no statement at all on the revelation that Rangers didn't properly register their players for a decade.

Surprised? Not one bit. I bet Doncaster is wetting the bed every night, in case details of his dodgy deals with Sevco come to light.

The Doncaster is the thing that really confuses me. He has no lifelong affiliation to Rangers having been born and raised in England. What is his motivation to protect them?

[Spike Mandela]

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While it's nice not seeing or hearing from Neil Doncaster in a while, his continued silence on this issue is telling. Just checked SPFL website (and SFA for good measure), and there is no statement at all on the revelation that Rangers didn't properly register their players for a decade.

Surprised? Not one bit. I bet Doncaster is wetting the bed every night, in case details of his dodgy deals with Sevco come to light.

Hopefully they have learnt their lesson and are instead waiting on any appeal procedure to run it's course before making a statement.

However, I suspect they have lawyers currently beavering away on a method of being seen to 'deal' with this situation whilst inflicting no damage on Rangers whatsoever.

[jacomo]

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The Doncaster is the thing that really confuses me. He has no lifelong affiliation to Rangers having been born and raised in England. What is his motivation to protect them?

He's weak and lacks imagination. He's a poor administrator and lacks gravitas. The Old Firm can manipulate him at will.

That's about it, really.

[s.a.m]

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The Doncaster is the thing that really confuses me. He has no lifelong affiliation to Rangers having been born and raised in England. What is his motivation to protect them?

The way he has talked in the past suggests that he looks at Scottish football from a business perspective, and mainly as a product to be marketed and managed, with sporting considerations a bit of an afterthought. The absence of The Rangers from the SPL and the old firm games from the football calendar are a problem for him. I think he just doesn't get it.

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The way he has talked in the past suggests that he looks at Scottish football from a business perspective, and mainly as a product to be marketed and managed, with sporting considerations a bit of an afterthought. The absence of The Rangers from the SPL and the old firm games from the football calendar are a problem for him. I think he just doesn't get it.

But his use of the term "Armageddon" when Sevco went breast skywards showed a detachment from reality so acute that it was blindingly obvious he was not fit for purpose.

[s.a.m]

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But his use of the term "Armageddon" when Sevco went breast skywards showed a detachment from reality so acute that it was blindingly obvious he was not fit for purpose.

Completely agree - I wasn't sticking up for him.

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The way he has talked in the past suggests that he looks at Scottish football from a business perspective, and mainly as a product to be marketed and managed...

He doesn't seem to be doing that very well.

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But his use of the term "Armageddon" when Sevco went breast skywards showed a detachment from reality so acute that it was blindingly obvious he was not fit for purpose.

Not the best marketing message. Seems a bit like Gerald Ratner's "crap" comment about his shop's jewellery.

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http://www.stand-free.com/articles/r...t-be-stripped/


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Interesting article,surely Hearts would also face similar penalties, that would be a shame.

[jacomo]

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Interesting article,surely Hearts would also face similar penalties, that would be a shame.

The punishment would relate to fielding players that were not properly registered. I genuinely don't know how this applies to players 'on loan' from Kaunas. However, if Skacel (or anyone else) was contracted to Hertz but they did not declare full details of his contract, then they should be punished too.

[crash]

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The punishment would relate to fielding players that were not properly registered. I genuinely don't know how this applies to players 'on loan' from Kaunas. However, if Skacel (or anyone else) was contracted to Hertz but they did not declare full details of his contract, then they should be punished too.

I was referring to the situation which arose when a mortgage application by a first team player was rejected after enquiries by the lender found his salary to be at minimum wage level. The actual figure he was earning was approx 20 times this.Campbell'EBT'Ogilvie was Managing Director at the PBS at this time.Get my drift?

[wills]

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Not sure what you mean. Do you think there was fraud involved in appointing him

If it's that he was in office having been involved in a tax - avoidance scam, I can't see why PS would be interested.

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Don't think it was fraud in appointing him, mote like incompetence, but how much did the SFA know about the side letters. Is there any other skeleton's in the SFA closet hidden by Ogilvie?

[Gmack7]

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I was referring to the situation which arose when a mortgage application by a first team player was rejected after enquiries by the lender found his salary to be at minimum wage level. The actual figure he was earning was approx 20 times this.Campbell'EBT'Ogilvie was Managing Director at the PBS at this time.Get my drift?

careful now, it looks like you're implying shennanigans took place

[greenginger]

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I was referring to the situation which arose when a mortgage application by a first team player was rejected after enquiries by the lender found his salary to be at minimum wage level. The actual figure he was earning was approx 20 times this.Campbell'EBT'Ogilvie was Managing Director at the PBS at this time.Get my drift?

I remember that one now. Any idea who the player was or the year ?

It will be on some Yam thread in the archives.

[Radium]

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The way he has talked in the past suggests that he looks at Scottish football from a business perspective, and mainly as a product to be marketed and managed, with sporting considerations a bit of an afterthought. The absence of The Rangers from the SPL and the old firm games from the football calendar are a problem for him. I think he just doesn't get it.

When trying to explain the fixture debacles he kept referring to the SPFL a a trade federation. Just so out of touch with us customers...

[Spike Mandela]

People queuing up for Hibs players but nobody seems interested in Warburtons all conquering heroes ...surprise surprise.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...mmings-6834702

[Since90+2]

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People queuing up for Hibs players but nobody seems interested in Warburtons all conquering heroes ...surprise surprise.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...mmings-6834702

I actually think in the case of Cummings thing like this could be a good thing.

He seems like a player and a lad in general who thrives on confidence, if he thinks all these top clubs down south are interested I think it will push him on rather than effect him negatively.

[Jim44]

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People queuing up for Hibs players but nobody seems interested in Warburtons all conquering heroes ...surprise surprise.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/f...mmings-6834702

......... surprised that nobody seems interested in the Huns players or surprised that it is not being reported?

[Spike Mandela]

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......... surprised that nobody seems interested in the Huns players or surprised that it is not being reported?

The latter obviously. However, this stance may change once King requires a player sold near the end of January to keep the lights on. Then the Record shall do his bidding.

[Jack]

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I actually think in the case of Cummings thing like this could be a good thing.

He seems like a player and a lad in general who thrives on confidence, if he thinks all these top clubs down south are interested I think it will push him on rather than effect him negatively.

I don't think these are top clubs.

If Jase stays at Hibs a while longer and continues to improve then we'll see much better clubs than those sniffing about, probably still not top clubs though.

[Since90+2]

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I don't think these are top clubs.

If Jase stays at Hibs a while longer and continues to improve then we'll see much better clubs than those sniffing about, probably still not top clubs though.

Depends how you define a top club I suppose. Brighton for instance are second top of the English Championship , have a brand new 30,000 seater stadium and have a good chance of playing in the Premier League next year.

For a player at Hibs currently plying his trade in the Scottish first division I would say comparatively they are a top club. All about levels though.

[MrSmith]

I don't get why we continue to give space, refer to and quote from that glib shameless liar of a rag!? How IPSO aren't all over them is a mystery? For me they are akin to the Sunday Sport rag of the 80's except the Sunday Sport knew it was full of sh ......

[Libby Hibby]

It's pure speculation created by the west coast media to try and disrupt our challenge...strange how there is no-one interested in Waghorn or Travenier but the usual 'we're going nowhere, The Rangers are a massive club' blah and 'we want to return this club to where it belongs' blah blah keeps on getting spouted out

[greenginger]

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......... surprised that nobody seems interested in the Huns players or surprised that it is not being reported?

Maybe not their players, but .......


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Warburton 16/1 for the Fulham post.


Come on Warby, you know you want to go home !

[ancient hibee]

Although I haven't read about the case I guess the King outburst is to take attention away from the Green hearing where I imagine their Advocate is putting forward a different argument about the continuation of the club to the one the fans want to hear.

[Ozyhibby]

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Although I haven't read about the case I guess the King outburst is to take attention away from the Green hearing where I imagine their Advocate is putting forward a different argument about the continuation of the club to the one the fans want to hear.

Correct 100%
It was a tough day in court for them and they managed to keep the whole thing out the press. Mission accomplished.


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I don't think these are top clubs.

If Jase stays at Hibs a while longer and continues to improve then we'll see much better clubs than those sniffing about, probably still not top clubs though.

Absolutely. Important for him not to get too carried away and start thinking he's too big for hibs now. He's a great young prospect but he's still young and got lots to learn. If he keeps his feet on the ground, listens to the right people and stays a few more seasons at hibs learning and getting plenty game time experience under his belt then they're will be a bigger move in store for him.

Seen it too often, when young players start attracting a bit of attention and suddenly start to think they're bigger than they are which often results in them jumping at the first chance of a bigger club and usually damaging their progression in the game. Hopefully, like I say, Jason keeps his head down, listens to the right people and stays with hibs for a few more seasons to develop his game.

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It's pure speculation created by the west coast media to try and disrupt our challenge...strange how there is no-one interested in Waghorn or Travenier but the usual 'we're going nowhere, The Rangers are a massive club' blah and 'we want to return this club to where it belongs' blah blah keeps on getting spouted out

Yep, same old west coast media mind games and hun arse kissing.