Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Keith_M]

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This is not an arsey reply, but do you have any evidence to back this claim up?

Petrie!!!!

[J-C]

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New Hun - old Hun tactics !. Using their media to 'Let it be known' etc, etc - a low, pathetic attempt at unsettling SA ?. Sadly, although the player himself has made it clear his intentions for the next season, there's still the Rod Petrie factor which makes me uneasy. His 'Business First - Football 2nd' ethos still has clout at ER.

Even though Rod is a non executive chairman, which means he has nothing to do with the running of the club and is purely a figure head still there to represent Mr Farmer on the board.

[Jim44]

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Our transfer business over the past year would suggest that the "Petrie factor" is much less now than in previous years.

I think we have to acknowledge the uncomfortable truth that every player has their price though, regardless of whether Petrie is involved or not. And the price for Scott Allan to go to The Rangers is one that they simply would not be able to afford, and he is such an important player for us that it would be a big ask for any club to pay that price. A fit Scott Allan, on form, is almost priceless to us this season.

The biggest danger we have is that Scott Allan somehow gets tapped up and gets his head turned. He decides that he wants to leave and there is little that the club can do about it.

I still think that it suits all parties best for him to stay for one more year and head off where he wants, for nothing, at the end of the season.

Hibs without Scott Allan is more acceptable than Sevco with Scott Allan, if you get my drift. If, for whatever reason, he want's away, let him go as long as it's not to Sevco. If that means we have an unsettled Scott Allan, tough. Personally I don't think this 'issue' is going very far.

[poolman]

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They're fair exited by their new team this season.

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...ic=285374&st=0

Nice family friendly site that

[bigwheel]

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Even though Rod is a non executive chairman, which means he has nothing to do with the running of the club and is purely a figure head still there to represent Mr Farmer on the board.

come on...He is the representative of the majority shareholder of the club. He has the final say on anything he chooses to have...anyone who is near the board can confirm that. I'm not saying he is an unhelpful influence on activities just now, but don't for a minute think he doesn't have a significant influence.

[Ozyhibby]

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This is not an arsey reply, but do you have any evidence to back this claim up?

The evidence that we have moved away from a business first ethos is still untested. Great chance now for the club to show it has changed.

[CropleyWasGod]

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come on...He is the representative of the majority shareholder of the club. He has the final say on anything he chooses to have...anyone who is near the board can confirm that. I'm not saying he is an unhelpful influence on activities just now, but don't for a minute think he doesn't have a significant influence.

He is one member of a Board. If the Board decides one thing, he can't over-rule it.

[Jim44]

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The evidence that we have moved away from a business first ethos is still untested. Great chance now for the club to show it has changed.

Exactly. This whole thing could be knocked on the head by a nine word statement from Dempster. As I said elsewhere, if Scott Allen is not happy, tough. I feel a tad hard on the guy, saying that because to be fair to him, he has never once made noises about not fulfilling his contract.

[bod]

[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;4416408]The evidence that we have moved away from a business first ethos is still untested. Great chance now for the club to show it has changed.[/QUOTE

they showed it last season when Dundee utd came sniffing.
If there's an improved contract on the table for SA then the player holds all the cards- if he wants more £s he'll tell the board & sign, if not he'll leave

[bigwheel]

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He is one member of a Board. If the Board decides one thing, he can't over-rule it.

Dream on...in reality, a board isn't a democracy..If the owner of the business wants things to go a certain way it will...people can choose to stay part of the team or not, but that's reality...By all accounts, the current board is pretty well aligned around the major topics just now. So don't treat this view as a suggestion there is a lot of times when Petrie's voice dominates - but also do not think it can't happen. It can, and occasionally does...

[Smartie]

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Exactly. This whole thing could be knocked on the head by a nine word statement from Dempster. As I said elsewhere, if Scott Allen is not happy, tough. I feel a tad hard on the guy, saying that because to be fair to him, he has never once made noises about not fulfilling his contract.

How many statements do the club and Allan have to make?

They've got better things to be doing right now than coming out in the press every day saying the same thing.

[Jim44]

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How many statements do the club and Allan have to make?

They've got better things to be doing right now than coming out in the press every day saying the same thing.

One definitive one. That's all. The club has not said, categorically, that he won't be sold. That's why all this discussion and speculation will go on and on. Sevco supporters really do believe that in due course Hibs will capitulate and sell him by the end of the window.

[Dalianwanda]

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Dream on...in reality, a board isn't a democracy..If the owner of the business wants things to go a certain way it will...people can choose to stay part of the team or not, but that's reality...By all accounts, the current board is pretty well aligned around the major topics just now. So don't treat this view as a suggestion there is a lot of times when Petrie's voice dominates - but also do not think it can't happen. It can, and occasionally does...

Well we should be thanking him for the sterling work going on at the moment to re engage fans and build an exciting new team...Not just bring him up when some somethings potentially wrong..

[Keith_M]

Personally, I tend to distrust most statements made by players and clubs anyway, so a statement from Scott Allan saying he intends to see out his contract is encouraging but doesn't have me 100% convinced.

I realise that sounds really cynical but I've heard it all before, e.g. Tony Mowbray saying he 'still had work to finish' at Hibs, shortly before he left for West Brom.

I don't have anything against Scott Allan but he's a footballer, with a short career, and he has to look after his own interests above all else.

My tactic during Transfer Windows is to just keep my fingers crossed.

[high bee]

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come on...He is the representative of the majority shareholder of the club. He has the final say on anything he chooses to have...anyone who is near the board can confirm that. I'm not saying he is an unhelpful influence on activities just now, but don't for a minute think he doesn't have a significant influence.

Perhaps we should congratulate him for the job he did last year then if he is so involved?

It's quite clear by our signings and the way the club is run, that we did a U-Turn last year when LD took over and there hasn't even been an uttering since to suggest that the old RP tactics are in use.

[Smartie]

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One definitive one. That's all. The club has not said, categorically, that he won't be sold. That's why all this discussion and speculation will go on and on. Sevco supporters really do believe that in due course Hibs will capitulate and sell him by the end of the window.

Like the one that Fabian Delph made?

If they make a definitive statement it just makes them look more stupid if (for whatever reason) Allan leaves.

This will only be over when the transfer window closes and it doesn't matter what anyone at Hibs, The Rangers, Celtic, any other club or Allan himself says.

[Mathias Jack]

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One definitive one. That's all. The club has not said, categorically, that he won't be sold. That's why all this discussion and speculation will go on and on. Sevco supporters really do believe that in due course Hibs will capitulate and sell him by the end of the window.

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/5521...this is good enough for me.

The club don't need to. Has every club that's ever had their manager/star player linked with a move away to a another club, came out with a statement to deny it? Alex McLeish came out and said he was going nowhere, 24 hours later the Judas was at Ibrox.

More recently, Fabian Delph said he was staying at Villa only to change his mind. So if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.

[Ozyhibby]

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Perhaps we should congratulate him for the job he did last year then if he is so involved?

We failed again last season.

[Deansy]

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This is not an arsey reply, but do you have any evidence to back this claim up?

And I hope you don't think I'm being arsey with my reply but the fact we're in the Championship is ample-proof - ok we're maybe starting to turn the coner just now but you can't deny he's been responsible for a badly mis-managed Hibs for the last 7-10 years. If he wasn't, then there would've been no reason for LD.

[Keith_M]

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And I hope you don't think I'm being arsey with my reply but the fact we're in the Championship is ample-proof - ok we're maybe starting to turn the coner just now but you can't deny he's been responsible for a badly mis-managed Hibs for the last 7-10 years. If he wasn't, then there would've been no reason for LD.

I don't think anyone has denied that but it doesn't actually prove your previous statement...

His 'Business First - Football 2nd' ethos still has clout at ER.

[Dalianwanda]

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And I hope you don't think I'm being arsey with my reply but the fact we're in the Championship is ample-proof - ok we're maybe starting to turn the coner just now but you can't deny he's been responsible for a badly mis-managed Hibs for the last 7-10 years. If he wasn't, then there would've been no reason for LD.

No denying the last few years have been dire and he was very much part of the problem. If he's still partly involved in making decisions as some say on here then he's also part of the turn around. Some folk are very selective in bringing him into discussions.

[Spike Mandela]

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No denying the last few years have been dire and he was very much part of the problem. If he's still partly involved in making decisions as some say on here then he's also part of the turn around. Some folk are very selective in bringing him into discussions.

We are a second tier club for the second year running being watched by low crowds and with low season ticket sales. Let's not overegg it. Promotion is essential this year for any turn around to be evident.

[Ozyhibby]

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We are a second tier club for the second year running being watched by low crowds and with low season ticket sales. Let's not overegg it. Promotion is essential this year for any turn around to be evident.

Correct. Only promotion will do this season.

[bigwheel]

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Perhaps we should congratulate him for the job he did last year then if he is so involved?

It's quite clear by our signings and the way the club is run, that we did a U-Turn last year when LD took over and there hasn't even been an uttering since to suggest that the old RP tactics are in use.

not quite sure the point being made here....Yes, there has been a definite change of approach since end of last season - relegation does that ! Makes it easy to create change. Even for RP...RP still has an active role in the club - he is the trusted advisor of the owner. So feel free to thank him if you wish - good luck with that one..

[Dalianwanda]

Thats not the point I'm making. The point is theres a lot of good things happening at the club at the moment on and off the pitch. I'm in total agreement that promotion is paramount this year. I'd say its been an even greater job creating the positive atmosphere around the club at the moment due to us being in the championship. But Petrie is either part of it at the moment or he's not. If he is he deserves some of the credit, if not then he can't be wheeled out for blame when people fancy.

[Keith_M]

Just out of interest....


....what has any of this got to do with The Rangers?

[Dalianwanda]

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Just out of interest....


....what has any of this got to do with The Rangers?

Oh yeah forgot about them

[bigwheel]

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Thats not the point I'm making. The point is theres a lot of good things happening at the club at the moment on and off the pitch. I'm in total agreement that promotion is paramount this year. I'd say its been an even greater job creating the positive atmosphere around the club at the moment due to us being in the championship. But Petrie is either part of it at the moment or he's not. If he is he deserves some of the credit, if not then he can't be wheeled out for blame when people fancy.

I think his leadership has been so
Poor, that it is no surprise he is blamed...and frankly, progress just now is all relative - we are in a minor league and currently needing to get out of it. Petrie will get blamed long after he has left - that's the heritage he has built due to the teams performances

[Bostonhibby]

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Just out of interest....


....what has any of this got to do with The Rangers?

Is it because they play at the ground formerly used by the now defunct Glasgow rangers even though the new the rangers no longer own the badge, retailing right, name etc........

[CropleyWasGod]

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Just out of interest....


....what has any of this got to do with The Rangers?

Get with the programme.

It's a Hibs website, which means all threads are allowed to descend into criticisms of RP/Liam Craig/Butcherwood.