Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[Mibbes Aye]

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I agree I don't think he's daft enough to go. He's a clever and intelligent young man who has done very well for himself. He will know that the job at Ibrox is a poisoned chalice.

Not worth gambling his whole career on it.

I would hope he doesn't. I don't doubt he went abroad because his coaching philosophy got a better reception in Portugal and Spain than it did here.

I think he has enormous potential but it would take buy-in from the board, players, media and supporters wherever he went and I'm not sure he would get enough time at Rangers to make it work. I think he would be successful but if it was on his terms it might take longer than people were willing to tolerate. I think he would have the focus and patience to give it time to work but I'm not sure others would.

I've not met him but I've listened to people who have and it feels like he would make Paul Le Guen look like Jock Wallace - it's not that he's revolutionary, but he has clear ideas about how to train and play and a patience to get performance right and let results play catch-up. Not sure the Huns are ready for that!

Flipside is that, in theory, they could qualify for the Champions' League within two years. They could.

That's got to be an attractive proposition for an ambitious and confident young manager.

[Mikey09]

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I would hope he doesn't. I don't doubt he went abroad because his coaching philosophy got a better reception in Portugal and Spain than it did here.

I think he has enormous potential but it would take buy-in from the board, players, media and supporters wherever he went and I'm not sure he would get enough time at Rangers to make it work. I think he would be successful but if it was on his terms it might take longer than people were willing to tolerate. I think he would have the focus and patience to give it time to work but I'm not sure others would.

I've not met him but I've listened to people who have and it feels like he would make Paul Le Guen look like Jock Wallace - it's not that he's revolutionary, but he has clear ideas about how to train and play and a patience to get performance right and let results play catch-up. Not sure the Huns are ready for that!

Flipside is that, in theory, they could qualify for the Champions' League within two years. They could.

That's got to be an attractive proposition for an ambitious and confident young manager.

I agree. This would take everyone connected with The Rangers to buy into his philosophy and looking at where they are right now, player wise and playing style this, in my opinion would take 2-3 years. No chance he would get that. He'd be out on his arse in 2-3 months if results were poor!

[YehButNoBut]

Mark on the brink

Warburton set to land Gers job

MARK WARBURTON could be 48 hours away from becoming the next Rangers manager.
SunSport understands Dave King’s shortlist of five candidates has been whittled down to just two.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...rt-_-192410438

[bingo70]

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Mark on the brink

Warburton set to land Gers job

MARK WARBURTON could be 48 hours away from becoming the next Rangers manager.
SunSport understands Dave King’s shortlist of five candidates has been whittled down to just two.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...rt-_-192410438

I'm quite happy with that. Imo they should have stuck with McCall. He knows the club, knows what's needed, knows the league, had them heading in the right direction and has a proven track record in Scottish football.

I think employing this guy is a massive gamble and there's plenty examples of good managers not cutting it at big clubs despite being promising at a smaller team. He'll take time to learn what's required and if we can get off to a good start then they might not have time on their side.

[Keith_M]

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......I think employing this guy is a massive gamble...........

Do you mean like Stubbs?

[BoomtownHibees]

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Do you mean like Stubbs?

And look how that turned out. Still in the bloody championship

[Eyrie]

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I'm quite happy with that. Imo they should have stuck with McCall. He knows the club, knows what's needed, knows the league, had them heading in the right direction and has a proven track record in Scottish football.

I think employing this guy is a massive gamble and there's plenty examples of good managers not cutting it at big clubs despite being promising at a smaller team. He'll take time to learn what's required and if we can get off to a good start then they might not have time on their side.

We can only hope that he'll turn out to be their Fenlon - a decent guy who is out of his depth.

[lord bunberry]

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I'm quite happy with that. Imo they should have stuck with McCall. He knows the club, knows what's needed, knows the league, had them heading in the right direction and has a proven track record in Scottish football.

I think employing this guy is a massive gamble and there's plenty examples of good managers not cutting it at big clubs despite being promising at a smaller team. He'll take time to learn what's required and if we can get off to a good start then they might not have time on their side.

They need someone who'll come in and make it work right away. An average first quarter could see them with to much to do.

[bingo70]

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Do you mean like Stubbs?

It'd be more like someone inexperienced doing well at hibs then joining Everton.

As much as I hate them rangers are a huge club, what has this guy done to suggest he can handle such a big job? Took over a Brentford team that were already doing well? Completely different job.

[Dan Sarf]

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It'd be more like someone inexperienced doing well at hibs then joining Everton.

As much as I hate them rangers are a huge club, what has this guy done to suggest he can handle such a big job? Took over a Brentford team that were already doing well? Completely different job.

Sorry to disagree but I'm a Brentford season ticket holder (can't get to Edinburgh very often) and was able to see what happened when Warburton took over from Uwe Rosler (who did a good job but failed to get them promoted).

Warburton developed and improved Rosler's team (with the help of some excellent loanees), got the Bees up to the Championship, and finished last season with their best second-tier placing for 80 years. He also created an exciting, tight-knit squad who played their hearts out for him. And a stadium frequently sold out with delighted fans who chanted his name at every opportunity.

It was only when Matthew Benham, Brentford's owner, put his nose in (with the dubious help of "mathematical modelling") that the season took a wobble and Brentford just missed the playoffs. Otherwise, I reckon they could easily have gone up to the Premier League.

Warburton's big problem might be the deep seated suspicion of anyone English (unless they are the Queen of course, or a highly remunerated English international) which he will undoubtedly encounter from our narrow-browed chums in the West.

Hope so!

[blackpoolhibs]

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Sorry to disagree but I'm a Brentford season ticket holder (can't get to Edinburgh very often) and was able to see what happened when Warburton took over from Uwe Rosler (who did a good job but failed to get them promoted).

Warburton developed and improved Rosler's team (with the help of some excellent loanees), got the Bees up to the Championship, and finished last season with their best second-tier placing for 80 years. He also created an exciting, tight-knit squad who played their hearts out for him. And a stadium frequently sold out with delighted fans who chanted his name at every opportunity.

It was only when Matthew Benham, Brentford's owner, put his nose in (with the dubious help of "mathematical modelling") that the season took a wobble and Brentford just missed the playoffs. Otherwise, I reckon they could easily have gone up to the Premier League.

Warburton's big problem might be the deep seated suspicion of anyone English (unless they are the Queen of course, or a highly remunerated English international) which he will undoubtedly encounter from our narrow-browed chums in the West.

Hope so!

I'd never heard of the guy before, but as you say he seemed to improve them after Rossler.

My son lives down that way, and he went to the fulham game where Brentford won easily i think it might have been 4-1 or 4-2, he said he heard one of the funniest songs ever that day.

To the tune of knee's up mother brown, it was bees up fulham down. Both wrong in the end, but a good piss take for a derby game.

[bingo70]

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Sorry to disagree but I'm a Brentford season ticket holder (can't get to Edinburgh very often) and was able to see what happened when Warburton took over from Uwe Rosler (who did a good job but failed to get them promoted).

Warburton developed and improved Rosler's team (with the help of some excellent loanees), got the Bees up to the Championship, and finished last season with their best second-tier placing for 80 years. He also created an exciting, tight-knit squad who played their hearts out for him. And a stadium frequently sold out with delighted fans who chanted his name at every opportunity.

It was only when Matthew Benham, Brentford's owner, put his nose in (with the dubious help of "mathematical modelling") that the season took a wobble and Brentford just missed the playoffs. Otherwise, I reckon they could easily have gone up to the Premier League.

Warburton's big problem might be the deep seated suspicion of anyone English (unless they are the Queen of course, or a highly remunerated English international) which he will undoubtedly encounter from our narrow-browed chums in the West.

Hope so!

I don't dispute he did a good job at Brentford. Just saying it's very different circumstances and managing rangers will be a completely different ball game altogether than taking over a team that must have been doing pretty well anyway (I'm guessing they were doing alright or rosler wouldn't have been poached)

[AndyM_1875]

Warburton would be a very interesting & bold choice for that lot. The rumours I get from the hooped soapdodgers (non paranoid or obsessed types) suggest that McCall might be in the driving seat though as Warburton has no idea what his budget is going to be if he goes there and he needs to know.
King was talking about 10m but if fat Mike has dibs on 5m of that then it's going to be a slog for them.

The other rumours I got are that they tried to get McInnes from The sheep but were quoted a compensation figure of 500k. They don't have 500k so never going to happen. They also approached Alex McLeish but he wasn't interested as he wants to continue his career in England or Europe.

[HoboHarry]

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Warburton would be a very interesting & bold choice for that lot. The rumours I get from the hooped soapdodgers (non paranoid or obsessed types) suggest that McCall might be in the driving seat though as Warburton has no idea what his budget is going to be if he goes there and he needs to know.
King was talking about 10m but if fat Mike has dibs on 5m of that then it's going to be a slog for them.

The other rumours I got are that they tried to get McInnes from The sheep but were quoted a compensation figure of 500k. They don't have 500k so never going to happen. They also approached Alex McLeish but he wasn't interested as he wants to continue his career in England or Europe.

I am quite confident in saying that DC does not have 10 million to invest in Rangers. In fact I would go as far to say that is bull@@it. :)

[Jim44]

They're happy bunnies over on FF, saying that the W/W duo, Warburton/weir, not Willy Wonka, will be announced tomorrow. One punter was keen to point out that all the relevant checks had been made to ensure he had no RC connections.

[scoopyboy]

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Sorry to disagree but I'm a Brentford season ticket holder (can't get to Edinburgh very often) and was able to see what happened when Warburton took over from Uwe Rosler (who did a good job but failed to get them promoted).

Warburton developed and improved Rosler's team (with the help of some excellent loanees), got the Bees up to the Championship, and finished last season with their best second-tier placing for 80 years. He also created an exciting, tight-knit squad who played their hearts out for him. And a stadium frequently sold out with delighted fans who chanted his name at every opportunity.

It was only when Matthew Benham, Brentford's owner, put his nose in (with the dubious help of "mathematical modelling") that the season took a wobble and Brentford just missed the playoffs. Otherwise, I reckon they could easily have gone up to the Premier League.

Warburton's big problem might be the deep seated suspicion of anyone English (unless they are the Queen of course, or a highly remunerated English international) which he will undoubtedly encounter from our narrow-browed chums in the West.

Hope so!

For a Brentford season ticket holder I would have thought you should have realised Brentford made the play offs.

[grunt]

Kenny Macintyre ‏@bbckennymac10m10 minutes ago#BBCSportsound Mark Warburton & Davie Weir will be confmd .@RangersFC mngmnt team in next 24 hours. No role at present for Cathro #Rangers

[Bostonhibby]

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Kenny Macintyre ‏@bbckennymac10m10 minutes ago#BBCSportsound Mark Warburton & Davie Weir will be confmd .@RangersFC mngmnt team in next 24 hours. No role at present for Cathro #Rangers

Cathro failed the protestant person test then?

You've got to wonder if people like Warburton or whoever else takes over appreciate that to many involved with this vile bigoted club it's actually important that they have or don't have a particular take on religion!

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

They could have missed a trick with McCall I think. What arsed up their season was the start that McCoist gave them and the reluctance to punt Mr Rangers until the damage was done. A repeat of where they were with John Greig. McCall has had to take the rap for the season though, and he would have known that was on the cards if if did not take them up.

[Dan Sarf]

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For a Brentford season ticket holder I would have thought you should have realised Brentford made the play offs.

Hoped nobody would notice that! Doh.

[blackpoolhibs]

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They could have missed a trick with McCall I think. What arsed up their season was the start that McCoist gave them and the reluctance to punt Mr Rangers until the damage was done. A repeat of where they were with John Greig. McCall has had to take the rap for the season though, and he would have known that was on the cards if if did not take them up.

Did they not get more points per game under McCoist and McDowell than they did under McCall?

[3pm]

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Kenny Macintyre ‏@bbckennymac10m10 minutes ago#BBCSportsound Mark Warburton & Davie Weir will be confmd .@RangersFC mngmnt team in next 24 hours. No role at present for Cathro #Rangers

Great to see Davie Weir back. He'll improve the standard of refereeing in the country.

[portycabbage]

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Did they not get more points per game under McCoist and McDowell than they did under McCall?

I think that's due to the results McCoist got in the first few months of last season, other than that McCall got more points per game IIRC.

[Jack]

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I think that's due to the results McCoist got in the first few months of last season, other than that McCall got more points per game IIRC.

That's a bit of weird logic :-)

McCall got more points if you don't count the bits where Fat Sally did better!

[Dan Sarf]

Video interview with Warburton here (from the start of his time at Brentford)...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33125007

[Elephant Stone]

Glad I'll probably see less punditry by David Weir now. He is one boring dick when he's not grabbing someone by the neck.

[Pretty Boy]

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That's a bit of weird logic :-)

McCall got more points if you don't count the bits where Fat Sally did better!

Yep not sure I understand the point being made.

McCall certainly improved their results against us but his record was still pretty poor. 7 wins, 6 draws and 4 defeats in his 17 games in charge.

[blackpoolhibs]

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That's a bit of weird logic :-)

McCall got more points if you don't count the bits where Fat Sally did better!

McCall is getting more credit than he deserves because of his results against us.

[BoomtownHibees]

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Yep not sure I understand the point being made.

McCall certainly improved their results against us but his record was still pretty poor. 7 wins, 6 draws and 4 defeats in his 17 games in charge.

The point is pretty clear. Means that Butcher was our best ever manager if you only count his wins

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Warburton could turn out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread!