Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

[CropleyWasGod]

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But Murray is acting chairman. Is this allowed as he was director of liquidated rangers ?

He wasn't a director when they went into administration, unlike King.

However, under the letter of ther law, he has potentially committed an offence. Whether he will be prosecuted for it will depend on 1. someone making a complaint. and 2. the PF deciding that there is a case.

Personally, I doubt that there will be a charge.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Hibs are members of the SFA who appear to be ignoring certain rules to favour another member. This could unduly affect us if it prevents us from being promoted.
Hibs appear to be turning a blind eye to this.
My point really is that fans love to have a go at the SFA or SPFL when really these organisations are only doing what the clubs want them to do.
If you have a problem with the SFA or SPFL, you really should take it up with your club. Then you might start getting some answers.

What rules are they ignoring?

Paul Murray has only just been made a director. He will have to apply to the SFA for F&P approval. That takes time.

Dave King is not a director.

In either case, I don't see how their appointment would affect Hibs' promotion chances.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Neither is MA but he still got fined for having an influence

He was fined because he had influence at another club, though.

[dangermouse]

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Does all this removing and suspending mean the Newcastle lads will be sent packing too?

As Hull were unable to recall Mark Oxley due to the loan being cross border I would doubt the Newcastle 5 will be returning to St James Park/Sports Direct Arena or whatever until the end of the season.

[Ozyhibby]

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What rules are they ignoring?

Paul Murray has only just been made a director. He will have to apply to the SFA for F&P approval. That takes time.

Dave King is not a director.

In either case, I don't see how their appointment would affect Hibs' promotion chances.

And if Dave King is acting as a shadow director?
Allowing them on the board may put them in a position to appoint a new manager, coaching team etc that may improve the team? Who knows?
I just think that the rule preventing people who have been on the board of a club who have went bust is clear and Murray should not have been allowed to proceed this far.

[CropleyWasGod]

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And if Dave King is acting as a shadow director?
Allowing them on the board may put them in a position to appoint a new manager, coaching team etc that may improve the team? Who knows?
I just think that the rule preventing people who have been on the board of a club who have went bust is clear and Murray should not have been allowed to proceed this far.

That's not an SFA rule though. That's the law. It's up to the law to decide whether he should be prosecuted.

[Spike Mandela]

Can't believe that tube Chris Graham has got a seat on board as fans rep. Guess we won't be getting a modern, progressive, non sectarian Sevco then.

[Newry Hibs]

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As Hull were unable to recall Mark Oxley due to the loan being cross border I would doubt the Newcastle 5 will be returning to St James Park/Sports Direct Arena or whatever until the end of the season.

They may all develop niggly thigh strains though. Shame for them really as it's not their fault and they probably just want to play football.

[Bostonhibby]

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Can't believe that tube Chris Graham has got a seat on board as fans rep. Guess we won't be getting a modern, progressive, non sectarian Sevco then.

Continuity candidate - They voted for it to stay the same as it always was - its been the same since 1690 - more of the same arrogance and sense of entitlement will probably result in a similar tale of debt and unpaid tax. All on somebody elses money.

[Ozyhibby]

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That's not an SFA rule though. That's the law. It's up to the law to decide whether he should be prosecuted.

I'm sure there is a similar SFA rule. if not then there should be and its Hibs we should be asking about it.

[Ozyhibby]

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Can't believe that tube Chris Graham has got a seat on board as fans rep. Guess we won't be getting a modern, progressive, non sectarian Sevco then.

This Chris Graham?

[Hibs07p]

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As Hull were unable to recall Mark Oxley due to the loan being cross border I would doubt the Newcastle 5 will be returning to St James Park/Sports Direct Arena or whatever until the end of the season.

To be fair, I think Hull could have recalled him, but wouldn't have been able to register him to play, which would've defeated the purpose in recalling him. Newcastle could recall their 5 if they wanted to, but couldn't register them. But why would they, The Rangers might be paying some or all the wages, and 4 of them appear to be injured.

GGTTH

[Weststandwanab]

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CWG, given the influence he appears to be exerting currently, would you consider him to be a 'shadow director'?



(I'm not saying that means he has to pass the F&P test, it's more a potential infringement of company law)

Excuse the pun but without a shadow of a doubt.

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He wasn't a director when they went into administration, unlike King.

However, under the letter of ther law, he has potentially committed an offence. Whether he will be prosecuted for it will depend on 1. someone making a complaint. and 2. the PF deciding that there is a case.

Personally, I doubt that there will be a charge.

Sadly I feel you will be correct.

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Can't believe that tube Chris Graham has got a seat on board as fans rep. Guess we won't be getting a modern, progressive, non sectarian Sevco then.

Probably no such thing.

[Ozyhibby]

Chris Graham on his new chairman's criticism of Craig Whyte.

Chris Graham on Paul Murray's concerns over Craig Whyte's pursuit of 'buying' Rangers. Labelled his new chairman a 'jilted lover' and said his concerns were just 'sour grapes' and for him to stop his bitching.

CG: "Many fans have rounded on Paul Murray and Alastair Johnston for their frequent participation in these attacks and although I don’t doubt that the former board members may feel they are doing the right thing, I have to say it is hard to see their comments as anything other than sour grapes.

"They seem incapable of putting across their concerns without sniping at Whyte like jilted lovers. There is also, tellingly, a total lack of any alternative put forward by them. You want to sit them down and say “Ok guys we get it. You don’t like or trust Whyte but what exactly are you proposing?”

"Their repeated calls for fans to be vigilant are totally redundant as the fans have no alternative but to trust Whyte to steer us past the HMRC case and beyond. Murray et al had four years to come up with an alternative and couldn’t. It’s time for them to stop bitching and allow us to examine Whyte’s tenure on its merits and over a sensible period of time once this tax case has reached a conclusion."

[Spike Mandela]

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This Chris Graham?

The very same.

[Jack]

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To be honest, I dont see the point. The SFA and the SPFL are democracies. They are made up of all the other clubs including Hibs. They are designed to take any flack from fans.
If you really want to put some pressure on about this then the fans need to take it up with their own clubs.
Have we asked Hibs why they are turning a blind eye to all this?

Maybe someone on here could ask Rod Petrie BTG tomorrow?

[truehibernian]

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Can't believe that tube Chris Graham has got a seat on board as fans rep. Guess we won't be getting a modern, progressive, non sectarian Sevco then.

See, I quite like that appointment - because it means it's only a matter of time before the real sentiment is expressed, online, offline, in the media, and they can again be exposed for what they are

The Rangers as a club has an expiry date - and it is fast approaching

This is half of the OF that wanted to leave Scottish football after all......they'd 'outgrown' the rest

Ashley is making me curious though, he rarely rarely lets anyone get the better of him......wish I had the acumen of CWG, GG and Caversham Green.......he has to have something up his sleeve......other than a pie as he looks like he likes a fair few

[CropleyWasGod]

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See, I quite like that appointment - because it means it's only a matter of time before the real sentiment is expressed, online, offline, in the media, and they can again be exposed for what they are

The Rangers as a club has an expiry date - and it is fast approaching

This is half of the OF that wanted to leave Scottish football after all......they'd 'outgrown' the rest

Ashley is making me curious though, he rarely rarely lets anyone get the better of him......wish I had the acumen of CWG, GG and Caversham Green.......he has to have something up his sleeve......other than a pie as he looks like he likes a fair few

Thanks for the compliment, but I haven't much of a scoobie either. I reckon we're now past any sort of business-type story, and it's all about a gladiatorial thing. When 2 guys like DK and MA, who don't actually need the cash, it becomes about ego, testosterone and power.

I agree, though, that MA will not be quiet for long.

[Billy Whizz]

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I agree, though, that MA will not be quiet for long.

Particularly when his "men" inside Ibrox, have been put on suspension

[truehibernian]

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Thanks for the compliment, but I haven't much of a scoobie either. I reckon we're now past any sort of business-type story, and it's all about a gladiatorial thing. When 2 guys like DK and MA, who don't actually need the cash, it becomes about ego, testosterone and power.

I agree, though, that MA will not be quiet for long.

See, what my take is CWG, and hopefully and gladly you can correct me - I think Ashley has played a blinder here.......he has slowly taken up a % share, obtained the crucial merchandising rights.....well knowing in the background that The Rangers will eventually rebel, get 'their men' in place......which in turn galvanises a support.......and the lemming type support then buy strips, pennants, mugs () and dvd's.........Ashley unconcerned (really) that he has 'lost the battle' but secretly knows he has 'won'......because he has engineered a fanbase united and who buy lots of The Rangers stuff..........or am I just wrong, pure and simple ?

[CropleyWasGod]

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See, what my take is CWG, and hopefully and gladly you can correct me - I think Ashley has played a blinder here.......he has slowly taken up a % share, obtained the crucial merchandising rights.....well knowing in the background that The Rangers will eventually rebel, get 'their men' in place......which in turn galvanises a support.......and the lemming type support then buy strips, pennants, mugs () and dvd's.........Ashley unconcerned (really) that he has 'lost the battle' but secretly knows he has 'won'......because he has engineered a fanbase united and who buy lots of The Rangers stuff..........or am I just wrong, pure and simple ?

I don't think you're wrong at all.

It's a new theory on me, I have to say. If he has played that sort of long game, that's worthy of Francis Urquhart/Frank Underwood in its scheming.

He spotted an opportunity. RFC, a potentially enormous brand, were struggling due to the incompetence of those who owned it. In hindsight, he was never going to lose out.

[truehibernian]

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I don't think you're wrong at all.

It's a new theory on me, I have to say. If he has played that sort of long game, that's worthy of Francis Urquhart/Frank Underwood in its scheming.

He spotted an opportunity. RFC, a potentially enormous brand, were struggling due to the incompetence of those who owned it. In hindsight, he was never going to lose out.

I just think he knows and has enjoyed knowing he has them hamstrung.........huge brand, a support who are 'limited' in their thought process (dare I say much like Newcastle fans ), and he knew before the process started that regardless of what he ended up with, he would ultimately end up with a support buying into the club......literally.

Nothing has stopped Newcastle fans buying seasons and merchandise. Hence on a smaller scale, with a chance that The Rangers get into the SPL, The Rangers fans will follow suit........I spoke with someone who supports them and ran this by him and he said 'ah no danger, we would just stop buying strips if we thought he was mugging us off'.......to which I said 'but at Christmas, if your wee boy wants Santa to get him the new The Rangers strip and a wee mug, would you say no ?'

I have (as you can tell) limited financial knowledge.......but I do think Ashley has played a long game, and played it well.......peed off a support so much to the point where King and Co have had to weigh in and take 'control'......but really Mr Ashley has all the control of the fans moooolah !

[s.a.m]

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Thanks for the compliment, but I haven't much of a scoobie either. I reckon we're now past any sort of business-type story, and it's all about a gladiatorial thing. When 2 guys like DK and MA, who don't actually need the cash, it becomes about ego, testosterone and power.

I agree, though, that MA will not be quiet for long.

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[Bostonhibby]

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Chris Graham on his new chairman's criticism of Craig Whyte.

Chris Graham on Paul Murray's concerns over Craig Whyte's pursuit of 'buying' Rangers. Labelled his new chairman a 'jilted lover' and said his concerns were just 'sour grapes' and for him to stop his bitching.

CG: "Many fans have rounded on Paul Murray and Alastair Johnston for their frequent participation in these attacks and although I don’t doubt that the former board members may feel they are doing the right thing, I have to say it is hard to see their comments as anything other than sour grapes.

"They seem incapable of putting across their concerns without sniping at Whyte like jilted lovers. There is also, tellingly, a total lack of any alternative put forward by them. You want to sit them down and say “Ok guys we get it. You don’t like or trust Whyte but what exactly are you proposing?”

"Their repeated calls for fans to be vigilant are totally redundant as the fans have no alternative but to trust Whyte to steer us past the HMRC case and beyond. Murray et al had four years to come up with an alternative and couldn’t. It’s time for them to stop bitching and allow us to examine Whyte’s tenure on its merits and over a sensible period of time once this tax case has reached a conclusion."

So are you telling me this graham figure is a hypocrite or a multi spotted leopard?

[jacomo]

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See, what my take is CWG, and hopefully and gladly you can correct me - I think Ashley has played a blinder here.......he has slowly taken up a % share, obtained the crucial merchandising rights.....well knowing in the background that The Rangers will eventually rebel, get 'their men' in place......which in turn galvanises a support.......and the lemming type support then buy strips, pennants, mugs () and dvd's.........Ashley unconcerned (really) that he has 'lost the battle' but secretly knows he has 'won'......because he has engineered a fanbase united and who buy lots of The Rangers stuff..........or am I just wrong, pure and simple ?

This is the theory that MA only cares about making money from the OF. If he controls the merch and the club doesnae go bust again, he's laughing all the way to the bank.

Wait til Der Hun are back up and he'll make a play for Celtc too.

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[portycabbage]

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Ian Black could always get his brushes out, not sure how cheap he is though.

[Aldo]

I wonder if it's possible for Ashley or Newcastle to recall the 5 loanees der Hun have.

Out of spite for what has happened??

[Jim44]

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I wonder if it's possible for Ashley or Newcastle to recall the 5 loanees der Hun have.

Out of spite for what has happened??

As somebody said, a cross-border loan arrangement can't be broken by one party, a la Hull and Oxley. However, I don't know the rule if both clubs consent.

[greenginger]

Suspending Llambias and Leach from the football club board whist investigations into the past running of the Club is got to be a joke.

Llambias did not arrive until the end of November 2014 and Leach at the beginning of January.

The till dippers were all long gone but the new guys in charge have to talk tough.