Should Drug Addicts Be Chemically Sterilized?

[sleeping giant]

Mental thread

[Scouse Hibee]

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Mental thread

No just Indians,Chinese and addicts we haven't got to mental yet!

[Scouse Hibee]

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What if an addict takes steps to turn their life around, kicks their habit and stays clean?

If they have already been sterilised what happens in that situation? Is permanent infertility an acceptable punishment for poor lifestyle choices?

Yeah pretty much, can become champions for drug free campaigns, if you want to have children....... Don't end up like me stay drug free:-)

[Stranraer]

Absolutely not. We aren't going to turn into a country that "sterilizes" anyone. FS.

[HiBremian]

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Might be a handy concept for Project Fear 2, perhaps?

[lapsedhibee]

Chemically? What's wrong with good old fashioned Sheffield Steel?

[lord bunberry]

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Chemically? What's wrong with good old fashioned Sheffield Steel?

Its not as environmentally friendly

[steakbake]

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Yeah pretty much, can become champions for drug free campaigns, if you want to have children....... Don't end up like me stay drug free:-)

Just like Zammo and Danny Kendall.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Zammo

It was a disgrace the way he treated Jackie, she deserved much better! :-)

[judas]

To be honest, I was thinking about the horrific suffering of babies when I made this post.

I also view drug addicts as victims.

But ultimately, a drug addict is unable to make rational choices and offspring, born with deformity and addiction are are destined to a life of disadvantage and failure.

It's a matter of human liberty; In this case, the basic right of a child to be born healthy.

[hibsbollah]

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To be honest, I was thinking about the horrific suffering of babies when I made this post.

I also view drug addicts as victims.

But ultimately, a drug addict is unable to make rational choices and offspring, born with deformity and addiction are are destined to a life of disadvantage and failure.

It's a matter of human liberty; In this case, the basic right of a child to be born healthy.

Your concept of liberty is an interesting one. It's a thread that's ended up being mocked and rightly so IMO.

[judas]

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Your concept of liberty is an interesting one. It's a thread that's ended up being mocked and rightly so IMO.

Perhaps. I simply feel we have a responsibility not only to the drug addict, but to the child also.

An agent could be administered as part of a methadone programme. This would have a temporary effect on reproduction and could be reviewed in line with any rehabilitation process.

[judas]

This is interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11545519

[judas]

I had no idea this had been proposed before, at government level.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/archive/.../t-261137.html

There I was, thinking my proposal was original.

[Hibbyradge]

Sterilisation is too good for them.

Hang them. Hang them all.

And anyone who tries to steal our Christmas.

[judas]

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Sterilisation is too good for them.

Hang them. Hang them all.

And anyone who tries to steal our Christmas.

How childish.

I agree about Christmas though.

Sound familiar. ;-)

[Phil D. Rolls]

Babies born to addict mothers suffer horrendous withdrawal symptoms after about two weeks. Nobody wants this to happen.

However, as male addicts don't share their blood with unborn children, any solution based on pure concern for the child doesn't need to sterilise male addicts.

If you want to sterilise all addicts - then you should be honest and admit that it is a punishment for immorality.

You'll be OK though, because if there is one group in society who everybody is still allowed to despise - it's drug addicts. Stops us thinking about the suffering caused to children by the greed of our society for oil, and other commodities. Or the children suffering because their parents are working zero hours contracts so that bankers bonuses can be paid, and yet they still rely on foodbanks.

Regrettably they don't distract from paedophiles operating in the house of commons in the same way as, say, a faded 70s soap star, or pop star does - but they are a good fall back.

[judas]

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Babies born to addict mothers suffer horrendous withdrawal symptoms after about two weeks. Nobody wants this to happen.

However, as male addicts don't share their blood with unborn children, any solution based on pure concern for the child doesn't need to sterilise male addicts.

If you want to sterilise all addicts - then you should be honest and admit that it is a punishment for immorality.

You'll be OK though, because if there is one group in society who everybody is still allowed to despise - it's drug addicts. Stops us thinking about the suffering caused to children by the greed of our society for oil, and other commodities. Or the children suffering because their parents are working zero hours contracts so that bankers bonuses can be paid, and yet they still rely on foodbanks.

Regrettably they don't distract from paedophiles operating in the house of commons in the same way as, say, a faded 70s soap star, or pop star does - but they are a good fall back.

The objective for me, would be to prevent foetal abuse. On that basis, I think one would have to focus on the child bearer firstly.

I agree with your other sentiments, but please don't presume that I am a poor basher. I'm acutely aware of the inequalities that exist in our society and lament the media obsession with easy targets.

But for me this could help to break a cycle.

[lord bunberry]

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The objective for me, would be to prevent foetal abuse. On that basis, I think one would have to focus on the child bearer firstly.

I agree with your other sentiments, but please don't presume that I am a poor basher. I'm acutely aware of the inequalities that exist in our society and lament the media obsession with easy targets.

But for me this could help to break a cycle.

Stopping addicts becomiing addicted to drugs is the way to stop the cycle.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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The objective for me, would be to prevent foetal abuse. On that basis, I think one would have to focus on the child bearer firstly.

I agree with your other sentiments, but please don't presume that I am a poor basher. I'm acutely aware of the inequalities that exist in our society and lament the media obsession with easy targets.

But for me this could help to break a cycle.

Absolutely not - you've stimulated an interesting debate. I wasn't getting at you, merely commenting on how societal attitudes are shaped, and why. Much easier to target a paedo, or a jew, or a junkie as being responsible for the world's ills than to let people figure out where the real evil in society lies.

I think there are massive human rights issues though about who you chose to sterilise. For me it's getting back to the old concept of undesirables in society being classified as lunatics and having all their rights taken away.

Sterilising drug addicts would be similar to sterilising people with a family history or cystic fibrosis.

[Stranraer]

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Absolutely not - you've stimulated an interesting debate. I wasn't getting at you, merely commenting on how societal attitudes are shaped, and why. Much easier to target a paedo, or a jew, or a junkie as being responsible for the world's ills than to let people figure out where the real evil in society lies.

I think there are massive human rights issues though about who you chose to sterilise. For me it's getting back to the old concept of undesirables in society being classified as lunatics and having all their rights taken away.

Sterilising drug addicts would be similar to sterilising people with a family history or cystic fibrosis.

Cystic Fibrosis isn't a choice, taking drugs is. Still, they shouldn't be sterilized...